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2 hours ago, elevator said:

If you tip 10-15% here you are cheap in my opinion.

And your opinion is based upon what? Your NOB sensibilities? 

You seem to assume that all foreigners who live in Mexico have plenty of disposable income and that therefore they can afford to tip more than 10-15 %. Which simply isn't true.

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1 hour ago, Tingting said:

Yes, because we all know how much food you can buy with your dignity.

Yes, I would select dignity over food as most of my friends would.  I am sorry you feel different.  You can repair loss of food but you can never repair loss of dignity.

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Yes, wow. I simply try to tip what is normal here. And when I eat out, I try to tip 10 to 15% and sometimes a little more, if I do not have the correct change. Everything is so economical here, compared to my home in Seattle, I have no problem tipping.

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In most of Mexico 10% tip is normal. Restaurants in San Cristobal de las casas recommend 10% tips because obviously many people leave less than that.  Same in Tuxtla Gutierrez where there are no gringos to speak of and no tourists.

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On 2/15/2022 at 9:37 PM, mudgirl said:

No, that isn't the definition of Socialism. As I said, you have zero idea of what it means. It can be a system where the "government" runs things, but that isn't the basic premise. The "community" mentioned in the definition below could be a family, a communal  piece of land, a village, whatever. It could even be you and your employees. At its basic level, it means that a group decides together what will benefit the group as a whole and that essential things are distributed equally among the members of the group according to need. All tribal societies, for instance, operate as socialist entities. 

A ship starts to sink and everyone piles into the lifeboats and heads for the little uninhabited island they see. In a socialist system, all of the people who escaped the sinking work together to find food, built shelters and share what little they managed to escape with so everyone can hopefully survive. 

As opposed to a capitalist system where everyone hoards whatever they have, sneaks out and steals more than their share of the food stash that has been collected, and trades whatever they have managed to bring with them, collect or squirrel away for sexual favors or a heel of bread. 

so·cial·ism
 
noun
 
  1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
     
     

     

WHAAAAT??? "regulated by the community as a whole" ...IE the government, and how is that working out El Norte???

Before I hear the braying that "Political discourse is not allowed here",  let me say that this is not about politics but let's call it "our lifestyle" here. Keeping it local, AMLO was elected in part by promising that he would continue the the privation of the energy industry here, a country that has tremendous natural resources, but since elected has put the brakes on that and is promoting Pemex and government control full speed. How is that working at the pump??? 

The three branches of the current US government are currently ruled by career politicians in thier 70's and 80's with each being lifelong government employees and all worth millions of $$$!!! Reality is that Big Tech, Big Pharma and Big Government has taken over and the individual rights guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights have been cast aside. Thankfully now the voters are waking up and throwing out the school board members who are destroying the kids there, and you will see in November a gigantic red wave and arse whippin' of the stupidity of the self proclaimed Progressives, Socialists, Woke, or whatever they want to call themselves!!!

As a half Canadian (on my mothers side), this calm, peaceful, law abiding country has also seen the light..¡¡¡Viva Canada!!! 

Getting back to the local element, as we all know, what happens El Norte inevitably trickles down here. Hopefully the "enlightened" public here will also take notice and continue to support Individual rights and FREE CHOICE!!!   

 

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9 minutes ago, RickS said:

It will be a cold day in h*ll when I leave only a 10% tip to waiters here in Mexico. What anyone else does is, of course, their business.

Why is there even a discussion on this??? This is a free country and you have a choice. I personally try to give 15% if the service is good and less if not. A no brainer!!!

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Yes, I do about the same. It depends upon the change I have. But I try to give 14% to 16% after each meal. And one of the reasons I have a bank account and gave up going to ATMs was that I always felt guilty having to pay my bills with 500 peso notes.

These days I almost never need or therefore get many $500 peso notes or bills when withdrawing funds from my local bank account. 

And as we well know, when going to an ATM, one gets most of his funds in the form of $500 peso bills.

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15 hours ago, gringohombre said:

Why is there even a discussion on this??? This is a free country and you have a choice. me personally try to give 15% if teh service is good and less if not. A no brainer!!!

Yes a no brainer and logic would prevail in other 1st world countries..But there is no logic in Mexico!!! and I guess in other Latin countries ....many who have a similar standard of living as does Mexico

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In general I think Mexican nationals tip for many services but not all services, such as haircuts, pedicures for example.   I tip too much and sometimes I tip too little but I still tip.  And if I am short once, then I remember and make it up on another day.  

The expats who annoy me are the ones who leave centavos as a tip.  That is not a tip, that is a blatant insult.

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34 minutes ago, johanson said:

These days I almost never need or therefore get many $500 peso notes or bills when withdrawing funds from my local bank account. 

And as we well know, when going to an ATM, one gets most of his funds in the form of $500 peso bills.

I wish I had that issue. These days I find the 500 peso notes fly out of my hands at Walmart, Superlake and most restaurants we dine at.

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6 hours ago, SunFan said:

I wish I had that issue. These days I find the 500 peso notes fly out of my hands at Walmart, Superlake and most restaurants we dine at.

SunFan

I live alone, therefore when I go out to eat the price is perhaps 50% of what a pair would pay. And with tip, it is often less than $200 and occasionally slightly more, but never close to $500 pesos. :) 

I never go out at night anymore. So yes, I can go through $500 peso notes at Superlake, Ponchos, El Toritos or Costco, but I sure don't need any when eating breakfast in the morning or lunch in the afternoon, but that's just me. 

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Of how to break those 500 peso bills sometimes depends on lifestyle.  If you live in a fraccionamiento, and each time you leave your home it will frequently if not most times be in your car depending on where you live.  To get your groceries often times will be at a big box office store like Walmart where you mostly might pay with a debit card.  If you live in one of the towns you most often times will be walking and buying at the mom and pop stores.  I live in Chapala so I usually have a general idea if I only have a 500 peso note where to stop first when shopping.  Who will mostly have change and who mostly won't.  I usually end up with lots of smaller bills that way, easy peazy, you must shop at many different places to get what you would get at just one location like Walmart, but it is usually better and fresher and you are helping out the smaller guys, it is all based on preference and lifestyle.

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On 2/18/2022 at 9:11 AM, elevator said:

Unless that is truly all you can afford. But everyone has their own definition.

Yes, you qualified your statement that you consider anyone who tips 10-15% to be cheap, with the above. Which insinuates that people who feel they can't afford to tip more have their own definition of "afford", which isn't something you really believe they can't afford.  

FYI a 15% tip is considered quite acceptable in Canada. And Brits think American tipping percentages are insane.

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On 2/15/2022 at 10:41 PM, MtnMama said:

Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Th countries you list are  dictatorships that lean toward Communism. You want a country that leans toward socialism? Look to Sweden. 

Karl Marx, the person whose name is synonymous with Socialism (Marxism) foisted this on a huge country with horrendous results, which was continued by Stalin resulting in the starvation and brutal deaths of millions and millions of innocent people. Maybe Russia also was "leaning towards socialism" before they FELL into full blown Communism and look at the results. Putin and his people would not call him a dictator, he has been elected multiple times!!!

Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, a self-described Marxist was elected THREE times, before he ran out of other people’s money and it all came crashing down. He started with a flourishing Democratic, Capitalistic country sitting on the largest sea of oil in the world and took it to one of the poorest where it languishes today…most of the population well under the poverty line, lack of medicine, huge infant mortality, bread lines a mile long with a quarter of the population fleeing elsewhere.

Hitler was elected under the banner of the National Socialist Party.

They and others, all did (and are currently doing) this by gaining control of education, the media (implementing State media and of course today all those insane social media platforms), the military, guns and creating gigantic spy networks. Children almost from birth are spoon-fed the dogma that they are just one cog in the system and have no individual rights. The general population is brainwashed, bamboozled, buffaloed, bullied, bloodied, and bruised into the idea of a one party system that controls your life and everything that you do and think is for the good of all.

Is today our Northern neighbors "leaning" towards Socialism? You betcha booty!!! However thankfully some of the saner folks up there (mothers of schoolchildren in the US, and truckers in Canada) are putting the brakes of this. However I have my fears since as a student of history I know that most real Democracies (eg. the Greeks and the Romans) have a shelf life of only a few centuries before this insanity infects the public, thinking that they can spend thier way into Utopia. The US national debt Is now US$30TRILLION...that's $30,000,000,000,000!!!

Now lets bring this back here to good old México, and lakeside specifically. Remember the old Mexican dicho, "When the US sneezes México catches the flu". What's going to be the impact here when the crash happens (and it will)? Hard to imagine but it will not be a pretty picture!!!

 

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