Ferret Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 5 hours ago, dichosalocura said: I seriously doubt Israel would request to be placed in Level 4. Sounds a little Q'Anonish to me. Right back atcha! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgo lady Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 10 hours ago, RickS said: I *think* that it is pertaining to the West Bank and Gaza. Those two places are setting records for infections and deaths. Additionally there is the 'terrorists' thing in the West Bank also. .... and IMO your last sentence above is/was uncalled for. Totally uncalled for, agree 110% with RickS. And the MODS should delete all of the posts by "diclo-saurus" both above, and below this one, referring to nazis, Israel, and Palestinians, they are politically biased to say the least and have no place in this forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 WHAT?? A suggestion to end this pissing contest?? What a thought. 🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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virgo lady Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 Test sites swamped in Chapala (theguadalajarareporter.net) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyBee Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 Tests are not a cure, if you feel sick just stay home. My neighbor and all her direct family have the Omicron (yes they are all vaccinated and boosted). Myself have been in bed for 5 days and now feel better but steel hang out at home. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dichosalocura Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 Seriously Virgo Lady, i don't understand why it is so umportant to you to try to shut people down and censor them just because you don't agree with them. And anybody that grew up speaking English as their first language knows that by calling someone a grammar nazi has absolutely nothing to do with Hitler, WWII, or the Nazis. It is just an expression. All I did was question the fact that the CDC just put Israel in its category Level 4 and pointing out that they are one of the most vaxxed countries. That is all I was saying. I never mentioned anything to do with the Israeli-Palestinion conflict. But some of your buddies certainly did. I'm glad I stayed out of that hornet's nest. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 In France we have a problem in the southeast where we have a concentration of people from norther Africa.. the proper word if people of the Magreb as the word Arab is now not PC . The customs are different, there are less vaccinated people, they is more kissing and embracing, more overcrowding less attention to rules and I bet Isrel has the same problem in their population . Also if there is a problem in NY with the more Orthodox communities, I bet Israel has the same problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 According this article in WaPo the CDC has just made an announcment about boosters and Omicron. It should be open access, as all their Covid posts are. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/21/cdc-studies-booster-shots-omicron/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 20 minutes ago, bmh said: In France we have a problem in the southeast where we have a concentration of people from norther Africa.. the proper word if people of the Magreb as the word Arab is now not PC . The customs are different, there are less vaccinated people, they is more kissing and embracing, more overcrowding less attention to rules and I bet Isrel has the same problem in their population . Also if there is a problem in NY with the more Orthodox communities, I bet Israel has the same problem. Everytime I read the surveys, France comes out as number 1 in public healthcare. The U.S.A. usually comes out 16 or 17, despite having the highest per patient healthcare costs in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jreboll Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 Just because it’s more expensive doesn’t mean it’s better 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyBee Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 28 minutes ago, CHILLIN said: Everytime I read the surveys, France comes out as number 1 in public healthcare. The U.S.A. usually comes out 16 or 17, despite having the highest per patient healthcare costs in the world. One of the reason I believe for the high cost of health care is that the medical profession has to carry expensive liability insurance to cover for "malpractice" law suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 19 minutes ago, HoneyBee said: One of the reason I believe for the high cost of health care is that the medical profession has to carry expensive liability insurance to cover for "malpractice" law suits. Honeybee, that it is the litigious public that causes our high medical cost, has been discounted over and over. Malpractice costs The issue of malpractice litigation adds to the cost of medicine both directly and indirectly (by triggering defensive medicine). The direct cost, which affects total health care expenditures only minimally, is the malpractice insurance premiums paid by physicians, other providers, health care institutions, and medical drug and device manufacturers. These premiums, which cover claim settlements and malpractice insurance company overhead and profits, must ultimately be paid from health care revenues. As onerous as premiums and the threat of lawsuits can be for individual physicians (particularly in certain high-risk specialties and geographic areas), direct malpractice costs do not affect total health care costs significantly. Premiums have generally remained stable for 5 years (increasing 4% over that period), with an average total annual malpractice premium amount paid by physicians and institutions of about $9.5 billion, representing only about 0.3% of total annual health care costs. Average malpractice settlements paid out were $4.4 billion (about 0.14% of health care costs)—see National Association of Insurance Commissioners: Countrywide Summary of Medical Professional Liability Insurance, Calendar Years 2005 - 2019. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 That sort of averaging malpractice costs into all general medical costs doesn't really convey the impact litigation has on individual physicians. Here's a good summary with representative specialties and for different areas: https://www.leveragerx.com/blog/medical-malpractice-insurance-cost/ Quote An overview of rates by specialty and location The full list of premium rates in the AMA report are as follows: Obstetrics/gynecology Los Angeles-Orange County, California: $49,804 Connecticut: $170,389 Miami-Dade, Florida: $190,829 Cook-Madison-St. Clair, Illinois: $177,441 New Jersey: $90,749 Nassau-Suffolk, New York: $214,999 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: $119,466 General Surgery Los Angeles-Orange County, California: $41,775 Connecticut: $65,803 Miami-Dade, Florida: $190,829 Cook-Madison-St. Clair, Illinois: $118,909 New Jersey: $60,810 Nassau-Suffolk, New York: $134,923 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: $85,930 Internal Medicine Los Angeles-Orange County, California: $8,274 Connecticut: $34,700 Miami-Dade, Florida: $47,707 Cook-Madison-St. Clair, Illinois: $40,865 New Jersey: $15,900 Nassau-Suffolk, New York: $33,852 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: $24,433 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jreboll Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 Another point to make is that preventative medical care gives huge benefits to the population. When a doctor’s visit is expensive one tends to wait longer before going to one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 You are all on the wrong track. What drives medical costs up is the new imported luxury cars - Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes - all doctors want to be among the first with a new ride in the doctor's only parking lot. Canada, while paying fairly well, the doctor would be lucky to get a new Volvo every five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgo lady Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 2 hours ago, dichosalocura said: And anybody that grew up speaking English as their first language knows that by calling someone a grammar nazi has absolutely nothing to do with Hitler, WWII, or the Nazis. It is just an expression. You and your buddy Rudy Giuliani must be very happy together. "Trial by Combat" is just an expression too.....gee, what could possibly go wrong? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dichosalocura Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 Virgo Lady I think you need to take a course on civility and learn how to have a proper discussion not an argument. Its not necessary to constantly get hysterical and down right nasty all the time with everybody you disagree with. I am not being an $%&/()a by asking questions about things that do not add up. I think its very important to have these discussions, there is absolutely nothing wrong with discussing things and asking questions. I think the true $%&/()as are those that do not ask questions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dichosalocura Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 I guess the i d i o t word is banned on this forum so it probably shouldn't be used in memes either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyBee Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, CHILLIN said: You are all on the wrong track. What drives medical costs up is the new imported luxury cars - Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes - all doctors want to be among the first with a new ride in the doctor's only parking lot. Canada, while paying fairly well, the doctor would be lucky to get a new Volvo every five years. I lived in Ontario for 11 years. Just down the road from my home was a walk in clinic. The Doctor drove a top of the line Porsche. (yes even in the Winter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 There was a dentist in the town I lived in BC. who had a newsletter he would send out to patients, and he was so unconsciously entitled he posted photos and stories about his family trip on their private yacht. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiko Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Mainecoons said: That sort of averaging malpractice costs into all general medical costs doesn't really convey the impact litigation has on individual physicians. Here's a good summary with representative specialties and for different areas: https://www.leveragerx.com/blog/medical-malpractice-insurance-cost/ There is a website somewhere (I am too lazy to look it up) that will provide a list of payments that individual doctors receive from big pharma companies. Pretty much a wash for malpractice premiums vs kickbacks from big pharma for some doctors. The oncologists are making a killing, no pun intended. Most every doctor I have nowadays drives a Tesla. I'm ok with that, most of them earned the Tesla the old fashion way, hard work. Some not so much. As the Mexicans say, "pantallas detras pantallas." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Mainecoons said: That sort of averaging malpractice costs into all general medical costs doesn't really convey the impact litigation has on individual physicians. Here's a good summary with representative specialties and for different areas: https://www.leveragerx.com/blog/medical-malpractice-insurance-cost/ Didn't say that it didn't cost individual doctors a bunch of cash for malpractice insurance but was addressing the comment that the 'high cost of health care' (in general) is because of high malpractice insurance. This is simply not true no matter how much each specialty has to pay. Malpractice insurance in the US in general constitutes very little towards the high cost of health care overall. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby brown Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 16 hours ago, CHILLIN said: Everytime I read the surveys, France comes out as number 1 in public healthcare. The U.S.A. usually comes out 16 or 17, despite having the highest per patient healthcare costs in the world. Called "RACKET"--USA is one big racket--! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgo lady Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 12 hours ago, RickS said: Malpractice insurance in the US in general constitutes very little towards the high cost of health care overall. Agree.....look at the cost of med schools in the US and the restricted supply they accept & graduate from them. Many good US students have thus chosen to go to U of Guad med school and others, and then return to US for their licensing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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