Ferret Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 It's the Telmex and Telcel bills that are the fattest. After five years, my accordian file is busting its britches. In the past, if you owned your own home and wanted to sell it, you had to have Telmex and Electric bills as proof that it was your primary residence. It had to do with Capital Gains. Is that still the case with computerization available? I'd really like to shred some of these. T.I.A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibarra Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 You can get an itemized statement from the Telmex kiosk for at least one year which shows how much you paid for each month. More years may be available but I have not tried that. Telcel probably can be obtained the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 TelCel bills to my knowledge were never used nor requested by Notarios for proof of residence re: capital gains. I would like to hear from realtors about what is required these days by Notarios. In 2012 we had to provide hard copies of both CFE and TelMex. I keep CFE bills and print out of the payment page of my TelMex, but as @Ferret asks, do we still need to do so in this day and age where data can be verified at CFE and TelMex sites? Also curious about names on bills---at our former house the CFE bill was in joint names. When we bought this house in 2017 CFE told us we could only have ONE person's name on the account. To cover ourselves, we put TelMex account in the other spouse's name. But what if we cancel TelMex...is there an issue for 2nd spouse's proof of residence at the time of house sale?? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercasa Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Or you can get an account online and then download statements and keep on cloud, computer or email Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted December 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 I do have my Telmex online BUT don't have cloud and don't really want cloud either. I want to know if Telmex and CFE can provide computer verification because computers can and do fail and lose information. OR is the hard copy still needed. I am assuming, of course, that Telmex and CFE have computers that don't and will never fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Intercasa said: Or you can get an account online and then download statements and keep on cloud, computer or email Q remains, what will Notarios accept? Even if I store on pc or in cloud, are they still going to want them printed out? If so, I'd rather print monthly now than print 5+ years worth of bills in one fell swoop! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Shrall Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Any request for a proof of residence bill stipulated it had to be new, within the last 2 or 3 months. Anything older than that is worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted December 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 That is not what I wanted to know John. The request is about when you sell your principal residence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Ferret if you do not have an answer I will ask the notario on the third. I do not keep the receipts more than one year and now I save the statementss on the cloud. I had 20 years of records I just through in the fire, I am tired of all this paper we have to keep for ever... IIll post what the notario says. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 I have often joked that if you live in Mexico, you'd better keep every piece of paper you've been issued since the day you were born, along wiith a dozen copies of each. Which isn't that far from the truth. I don't know the answer to your question, Ferret. I certainly haven't kept all my CFE bills. What I kept is the original first bill, to show when I first got my contract. Other than that, I only keep the current year's bills. I'll be interested to see what bmh finds out if she asks her notary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 We sold our Ajijic primary residence in 2004, and our subsequent Chapala primary residence in 2014. I do not remember having to present stacks of receipts to prove that both homes qualified. They did. Talk to your notario if you are worried. He, and/or the real estate agent, will tell you what you need for closing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 In late 2012 we consulted with a Notario prior to listing our first Ajijic house for sale and he said we wouldn't owe the capital gains tax based on what we told him. Prior to settlement he asked for the TelMex and CFE bills to support our eligibility. Notarios are personally on the hook for the capital gains tax if upon review of the paperwork (by Hacienda, I believe) that s/he should not have exempted a seller from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Most are 'notarios', men who you will find in a 'notaria' (la oficina). I don't know of a notaria working in a local office. But there may be some lady notarias somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 You can't search by gender, but the very 1st page of the Jalisco Directorio de Notario Colegio has 1 (out of 10 on the page) based on name (Cecilia). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercasa Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Keep all receipts, more likely to need them if someone tries to steal your property than exempt capital gains. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 24 minutes ago, Intercasa said: Keep all receipts, more likely to need them if someone tries to steal your property than exempt capital gains. My Mexican wife has boxes of old household reciepts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedros Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 I have sold 2 homes in Mexico and never had to show any recipts to get CP exemption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, RVGRINGO said: We sold our Ajijic primary residence in 2004, and our subsequent Chapala primary residence in 2014. I do not remember having to present stacks of receipts to prove that both homes qualified. They did. Talk to your notario if you are worried. He, and/or the real estate agent, will tell you what you need for closing. Notario number 3 in Villa Nova is a Licenciada Villaseñor Pujol, So there is at least one notario who is a woman in the area. RV you left a long time ago things are changing or have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InChapala1 Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Intercasa said: Keep all receipts, more likely to need them if someone tries to steal your property than exempt capital gains. This maybe off topic, but how does someone try to steal your property? Doesn't a notario have to transfer title to a new owner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby brown Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, InChapala1 said: This maybe off topic, but how does someone try to steal your property? Doesn't a notario have to transfer title to a new owner? No you are on topic; why is a Notary charging up to 5% of its value for a transfer of property if that is not a form of title insurance . Telmex; cfe; etc. and all that other stuff is non-cense-Proof of title is the last word- $15,000 notory fee for a $300,000 piece of property is not proof of title-- sounds like what people above are talking about above is squaters rights-- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercasa Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 People fake deeds and forge documents, they trick notaries and other notaries do not catch the mistakes, notaries who make mistakes never own up to it and you are forced to sue the people involved and need evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomgates Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 When we sold our home in 2020, we had CFE and ILOX and that was fine. It does help to have your CURP on all the accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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