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In a closed vote, with just 54 votes in favor, 49 against and 10 abstentions, the Senate generally approved the creation of a National Register of Mobile Phone Users with biometric data , including fingerprint, iris of the eyes , facial features, tone of voice and signature, with the aim of reducing the crimes of extortion and kidnapping that leave profits to organized crime for about 12 billion pesos annually.

The reform of the Federal Telecommunications and Broadcasting Law seeks to make it mandatory for the 122 million users in the country to identify themselves and register in a registry when acquiring a SIM card or a prepaid telephone line , in order to avoid or reduce the use of disposable lines to extort money or carry out kidnappings that, in many cases, are committed from prisons through cell phones that enter prisons clandestinely.

This means that to acquire a SIM card or activate a telephone line in the prepaid mode, users will have to present an identification, proof of address and a biometric identification method, which could be a photograph.

Those with pre-existing lines will have a period of two years to give their information or have their numbers cancelled.

Opposition senators announced that they will challenge the new regulations before the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation

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.... this of course ONLY applies to law abiding citizens and not the nefarious folks who would/have/will continue doing the bad deeds. It's Mexico folks!

 

 

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2 hours ago, RickS said:

.... this of course ONLY applies to law abiding citizens and not the nefarious folks who would/have/will continue doing the bad deeds. It's Mexico folks!

 

 

Exactly. Does AMLO really think the criminals go sign up for a phone plan to use a phone to extort or threaten people or organize kidnappings? They use stolen or burner phones.

How ridiculous. They apparently tried this years ago and it didn't work.

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This reg does not apply to phones on a plan as in contract. You always have had to give ID to sign up.   It is for "burner"  pre paid and the sim cards associated with pre pay phones. 

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On 4/15/2021 at 7:20 PM, Mostlylost said:

This reg does not apply to phones on a plan as in contract. You always have had to give ID to sign up.   It is for "burner"  pre paid and the sim cards associated with pre pay phones. 

The new law applies to all phones and the exact same information is needed to keep your service activated (cell users have the next 2 years from now to complete the list of required data to the national federal government data system) and includes an incredible amount of personal data including index fingerprint, voice print, eye scan, nationality, INE photo and much more.

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The wording isn't clear but mentions prepaid and reducing disposible lines as the problem, and also repeats for activating prepaid lines.

Those of us on contract gave copies of ID, proof of address, CURP and personal refs.. 

I will need to find the exact wording from the senate's information as different newspapers are wording the rule differently

Here is El Informador wording

The reform of the Federal Telecommunications and Broadcasting Law seeks to make it mandatory for the 122 million users in the country to identify themselves and register in a registry when acquiring a SIM card or a prepaid telephone line , in order to avoid or reduce the use of disposable lines to extort money or carry out kidnappings that, in many cases, are committed from prisons through cell phones that enter prisons clandestinely.

This means that to acquire a SIM card or activate a telephone line in the prepaid mode, users will have to present an identification, proof of address and a biometric identification method, which could be a photograph.

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Mostlylost said:

The wording isn't clear but mentions prepaid and reducing disposible lines as the problem, and also repeats for activating prepaid lines.

Those of us on contract gave copies of ID, proof of address, CURP and personal refs.. 

I will need to find the exact wording from the senate's information as different newspapers are wording the rule differently

Here is El Informador wording

The reform of the Federal Telecommunications and Broadcasting Law seeks to make it mandatory for the 122 million users in the country to identify themselves and register in a registry when acquiring a SIM card or a prepaid telephone line , in order to avoid or reduce the use of disposable lines to extort money or carry out kidnappings that, in many cases, are committed from prisons through cell phones that enter prisons clandestinely.

This means that to acquire a SIM card or activate a telephone line in the prepaid mode, users will have to present an identification, proof of address and a biometric identification method, which could be a photograph.

 

 

 

No it is all cell phones. I just watched a new Youtube video of a national news segment with several specialists in Mexican telecomm explain it in detail. To purchase or keep your present Simms chip activated. All chips in all cell phones.

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A federal judge has granted the first provisional suspension against the National Register of Mobile Telephone Users (PANAUT), a precautionary measure that has the effect so that a user is not forced to hand over their personal and biometric data to register their telephone line, much less will your registration be canceled.

Juan Pablo Gómez Fierro, Second District Judge in Administrative Matters, specialized in Economic Competition, Broadcasting and Telecommunications, pointed out that the delivery of data “could not be suitable or proportional, since there is no direct or causal relationship between the existence of this registry and a better investigation and prosecution of crimes ”, in addition to the fact that it can affect human rights.  

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1 hour ago, AndyPanda said:

It's akin to making 8 billion people take off their shoes and laces to prevent a bombing on an airplane.

Not even close. Mexican government collecting this excessive type of intelligence legally by passing a dragonistic law when they already have proven they intent to oppress those against them.

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I don't know how "proven they intend to oppress those against them" fits into this, but yeah, it's the same draconian BS that make all of us unable to get on a plane with a bottle of anything after taking our shoes off for every trip.

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24 minutes ago, AndyPanda said:

I don't know how "proven they intend to oppress those against them" fits into this, but yeah, it's the same draconian BS that make all of us unable to get on a plane with a bottle of anything after taking our shoes off for every trip.

Not the same! A minor inconvenience that most people won't endure compared to legally gathering intelligence on most citizens that want the convenience of having cell phone service. 

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1 hour ago, AndyPanda said:

It's called overstepping, and it doesn't matter if it is kill orders for Mother Russia or telling me I can't catch worms for fishing.

 

 

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The view from Oxford University

https://restofworld.org/2021/mexico-cellphone-data-law-crime/?fbclid=IwAR2npm94vjEk6Dnqo0a5kaE2wmLPbCFcqNpGy4VEHyMyudQbmiHP710k1os

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The justification for such a radical move is that mobile phones are key instruments in the extortions, kidnappings, and other crimes that have blighted Mexico over the past years. The government’s theory is that having people’s biometric data will help prevent and solve these crimes. Even though Mexico’s safety situation is dire, in practice, this measure doesn’t stand a chance of helping to fight crime. On the contrary, it is likely to become a massive boon to criminals.

Put yourself in the shoes of a criminal. You need a phone to commit a crime. Are you going to use your own phone? Of course not. In the past, you might have bought a cheap burner. Now, you have an incentive to steal a phone from someone else. In a country where 98% of crimes remain unsolved, stealing a phone is not a big risk. Or, perhaps you could intimidate an underprivileged teenager to buy a phone for you and hand over his biometric details.

That’s only the first step toward enabling a new crime wave. It gets much worse. Drug cartels have grown tech savvy. They have money. They have power. They have access to corrupt officials. They are already using spyware that is meant for government use only. They will get their hands on that data: every Mexican’s most personal data. Creating a nationwide biometric database will be like handing Mexico’s worst criminals a menu that gives them access to any citizen or public official they might be interested in. 

Collecting data is much easier than keeping it safe. If neither the NSA was able to keep its data safe nor the United States government was capable of keeping safe its most sensitive employee background checks, what chance do Mexican telecoms or the country’s government have? None.

If there were a data leak (and there will be), the consequences will be disastrous. You can change a password, but you can’t change biometric data like your fingerprints. People could be made vulnerable for the rest of their lives. A similar project had already been implemented in Mexico between 2008 and 2011. It was discarded after it was discovered that there had been a breach, and the database could be found for sale online. We should learn from past mistakes.

 

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it all sounds very complicated--as an expat here for 14 years now- the U. S. still thinks I live in the U.S.; but I have my Mexican green card. I have no cell phone but I have email.  My two daughters check on me from time to time just to see if i'm still alive ( and when they need money); of course,  HA.  I'm 72 years old and I dought the world will catch me before  I will be dead or so senile I will be of no use to the gov't.  I guess i'm the type of guy that enjoys to say" NO" and get every body pissed off at me. 

 

P.S  I caught the so called corona virus and this entity found my enviroment totaly  intolerble ;so it died.! And as you can figure I will not be taking any vaccine,  i don't do rush jobs; HA--please excuse my spelling as i'm getting tired; HA.

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