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4 minutes ago, Dough said:

In my case I also get the minimum bills because we leave all 4 breakers on the panel switched off.  The fridge is left propped open. No electricity is being used at all.  I got this mystery charge. Th is despite of all payments (as per the bills) being made on time by my bank.  I have not been able to get an answer as to what this $7,500 amount is for.  This did not appear on any bills.  We have not been using any electricity since we left in March 2020.

If it's not on any bills, how will CFE collect it?  Have you sent anyone over to their office?  

I had a CFE issue last year; at that time they had an email contact listed at their website; after a few tries, I got an agent who was helpful.  I don't see that email option at their website, but maybe I missed it when I looked.  

I saved their emails and will PM the address to you, but my guess is may no longer work/exist.  

Buena suerte!  

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16 hours ago, Northtek said:

well to quote or paraphrase Scotty from Star Trek " Dammit Jim I am a Satellite/Communications specialist, not a appliance repair man"

So no, I generally don't do a home energy audit, especially if I am told that the bill is perfectly normal by people living here.

You're still responsible if the meter has been rigged or bypassed, amigo.     You sure seem to have a lot of time to argue on this board, for someone who says they are starting a new business up.

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15 hours ago, Northtek said:

I am also very excited for Starlink to get here.

Big fan of Elon.

Bet that is not going to work too well in the rainy season....the same way that StarChoice doesn't do well in heavy weather in Canada.       but hey that's only 4 to 5 months a year, from 4 or 5 pm to past midnight.     All good.

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22 minutes ago, virgo lady said:

Bet that is not going to work too well in the rainy season....the same way that StarChoice doesn't do well in heavy weather in Canada.       but hey that's only 4 to 5 months a year, from 4 or 5 pm to past midnight.     All good.

Lol, yes I was hopeful when Starchoice first arrived, but was brief on the problems it had. StarLink wont have the same issues with weather and beta testing has shown good result in the worst of conditions.

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28 minutes ago, virgo lady said:

You're still responsible if the meter has been rigged or bypassed, amigo.     You sure seem to have a lot of time to argue on this board, for someone who says they are starting a new business up.

Yes I understand that I am responsible, I also do realize that I don't understand the way things work here, so I rely on my wife probably more than I should. But I have been watching the meter to see if it is registering and talking  to others. Seeing as this site is known for people attacking each other for no reason, you will understand if I don't give a lot of confidence to the remarks. So sorry but creditability is a little questionable. Which is sad, because that's what people need when they come to a site like this. 

Also yes, I have probably given more time to this site than I should. As crazy as this might sound, but I was trying to be optimistic about this site, I was hoping for more than just people looking for a reason to attack one another.

But its starting to look like that hope was naïve, as people seem to take anything with promise and descend it into nothing more a reflection of the worst in man.

For all those that are wondering, I am here to develop a new start up, but its nothing of any value to anyone on the site. As we are trying to set up a research and development company here that will bring good employment. But the test project is already completed and because of the covid issues in Canada, I have decided to wait it out here until it gets better. So it has left me with a little time on my hands. 

So I have been looking for other projects to keep myself busy while I wait. The other website was a good idea but because its using advanced tech like AI, a lot is outside of my skill set, so its being worked on by a company in the Ukraine. So again I am in the waiting stage. 

But, worry not, as much as I would like to have my views challenged here, because I think its important to try and learn from each other, I do have another project that I might focus on instead. As I hate to say it, but I am questioning my reasoning for making the other site, as it seems people here are hell bent on destroying anything of any benefit. I will finish the site because the tech is valuable and AI is the future but wither I make it available is up for debate.

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Too funny. So many have warned you that your CFE bill is not normal. They're getting testy because you're not listening. Really, the only thing they're trying to do is prevent you from finding out the hard way that the damages of playing with the CFE will burn you badly. Whatever. Stick your head back in the sand. You've been warned.

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When you don't like the answer, you don't change the question to get the answer you want, but that's exactly what you're doing. Then, you talk about how everyone attacks on this site...yeah, that's really going to help. You asked, we answered. I'm done.

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9 minutes ago, Ferret said:

Too funny. So many have warned you that your CFE bill is not normal. They're getting testy because you're not listening. Really, the only thing they're trying to do is prevent you from finding out the hard way that the damages of playing with the CFE will burn you badly. Whatever. Stick your head back in the sand. You've been warned.

Obviously I took the warning seriously enough to investigate, which I have stated numerus time. The fact that its still and issue, show that there is a lot of selective reading which just diminishes the credibility.

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32 minutes ago, Northtek said:

So sorry but creditability is a little questionable. Which is sad, because that's what people need when they come to a site like this. 

It is YOUR credibility (spelled correctly here) that is in question, my friend.    No wonder you like Elon so much, you talk and BS about the same way.     

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Well, Ferret, I choose to disagree as to the 'why' people are reacting so negatively. I think it's just what many folks do here... maybe in their boredom but mostly I think it is just what folks do 'behind a screen'.... not just here but everywhere it seems. 

Share information and if the recipient is either naive or in denial then let it go. BUT why choose to berate a person, call them a thief etc unless it just makes folks feel better or 'more savvy'.  

Last week, on a Post I made about a person who 'rejoined' this Forum after a year of absence from the Board. What I said in jest was that 'he had returned with a vengeance'. For that I got an admonishment from Mod-2 posing as MC that "we don't treat people like that here". REALLY?

And to all..... yes I know that YMMV.  Just my opinion. 

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3 minutes ago, Tingting said:

When you don't like the answer, you don't change the question to get the answer you want, but that's exactly what you're doing. Then, you talk about how everyone attacks on this site...yeah, that's really going to help. You asked, we answered. I'm done.

lol, I have no problem with the answers if they have good intent. In fact I rather enjoy having my views challenged. Because any belief that can not withstand criticism is not much of a belief. But what seems to be happening here is that everyone seems to be looking to detract from one another. So how do you find help or offer help in an environment where useful people are drowned out by others that just want to hurt some one else.

I have nothing to gain or lose other than my time. But my intent was to try and learn and understand, so granted that I maybe too controversial for a site like this, which is understandable. But I am not sure I have anything to offer either. As these conversation don't seem to engage any problems with any thing other than spiteful comments.

Knowing the failings of man has no benefits. 

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11 minutes ago, virgo lady said:

It is YOUR credibility (spelled correctly here) that is in question, my friend.    No wonder you like Elon so much, you talk and BS about the same way.     

Case in point. Thank you Vigo Lady as you are proving the point very nicely. I never question the credibility of the person, just the view point. Neither have I claimed to be an expert in this area. But you have chosen not only to attack my spelling but also my character.  This only showcases the mind set here. 

As far as Elon goes, I am pretty sure his accomplishments far exceed yours. So who are you to diminish his?

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44 minutes ago, Northtek said:

So how do you find help or offer help in an environment where useful people are drowned out by others that just want to hurt some one else.

Posters help each other out with information here all the time without anyone trying to hurt anyone else.

But if you post looking for advice, and instead of thanking others for the info, instead pushing back at all the responses you get, then one wonders why you asked for advice in the first place, and it makes those who took the time to give you correct information feel quite irritated.

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4 minutes ago, mudgirl said:

Posters help each other out with information here all the time without anyone trying to hurt anyone else.

But if you post looking for advice, and instead of thanking others for the info, instead pushing back at all the responses you get, then one wonders why you asked for advice in the first place, and it makes those who took the time to give you correct information feel quite irritated.

That was not the intent. So to those who are offering help, yes, thank you, I do appreciate it. 
 

I maybe confusing questioning the logic and push back. So to the ones that feel as though I am intentionally hurting their feelings, it wasn’t intended. So I apologize for that. As for me, I don’t take things personally, so I sometimes forget others do. 

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What is Theft of Services?

Theft of services is a criminal act that occurs when a person obtains services from another person through unlawful means. If a person has used force, threats, or deception to obtain services, they can be charged with this type of crime.

Lack of intent is when the defendant did not mean to steal the services. What if they didn’t know the services had a price? What if they thought they did pay for the service? Or maybe they were under the impression that another person using the service already paid for it? All of these can be reasons that intent is missing, however it can be difficult to prove as it is commonly known that restaurants or utility bills require payment.

 

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1 hour ago, AngusMactavish said:

What is Theft of Services?

Theft of services is a criminal act that occurs when a person obtains services from another person through unlawful means. If a person has used force, threats, or deception to obtain services, they can be charged with this type of crime.

Lack of intent is when the defendant did not mean to steal the services. What if they didn’t know the services had a price? What if they thought they did pay for the service? Or maybe they were under the impression that another person using the service already paid for it? All of these can be reasons that intent is missing, however it can be difficult to prove as it is commonly known that restaurants or utility bills require payment.

 

Thanks Angus for the definition. But I am not really certain I understand at whom this is directed? Is it just an open statement? As I am under the impression that if I am billed for a service, I am required to pay for the service as it shows on the bill. To which I do.

But it seems as though people here believe that its up to consumer to investigate any bill to determine if the company properly billed them. If over billed, I can completely understand. But if I under bill a customer for a service, I certainly don't fault the customer. I look at it as my error, not theirs. So are the laws here different? 

Just asking people, so try not to get all riled up, as even when I make an effort to apologize, it seems to piss some one off.

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4 minutes ago, Northtek said:

But it seems as though people here believe that its up to consumer to investigate any bill to determine if the company properly billed them. If over billed, I can completely understand. But if I under bill a customer for a service, I certainly don't fault the customer. I look at it as my error, not theirs. So are the laws here different? 

So, if your corner abarrotes erroneously gives you an extra 100p in change, you just keep it?  If the waiter forgets to add your second glass of wine to the tab, you say nothing?  

Affirmative answers to either of these q's makes the customer a jerk.  

 

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13 minutes ago, Northtek said:

But if I under bill a customer for a service, I certainly don't fault the customer. I look at it as my error, not theirs. So are the laws here different? 

This is what everyone has been trying to tell you that you seem to refuse to believe. If CFE has been underbilling you (and they obviously have been, as you can't use electricity and get correct 25 peso bills),because the meter is faulty or no one is actually coming out to read it, yes, you will be billed a large amount in the future once they catch on.

And good luck trying to find some law to fight it.

A friend of mine went to pay her bill at the CFE machine, and as she only had 500 peso notes and the machine only gave coins in change, she only fed in one 500 peso note for a 508 peso bill, thinking they would just put the extra 8 pesos onto her following bill. Instead they disconnected her electricity. She went into the office the next day and really let them have it- said she had been a customer for 20 years, never been late with one payment and how dare they cut her off for 8 pesos. All the people who were sitting there in chairs waiting their turn, all of whom were Mexican, burst out in applause at her tirade. 

But she still had to pay the 8 pesos plus the re-hookup fee before they turned on her power.

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20 minutes ago, mudgirl said:

This is what everyone has been trying to tell you that you seem to refuse to believe. If CFE has been underbilling you (and they obviously have been, as you can't use electricity and get correct 25 peso bills),because the meter is faulty or no one is actually coming out to read it, yes, you will be billed a large amount in the future once they catch on.

Fair enough, if in fact the CFE is underbilling me, then I have no problem with paying it, which I have already said. But I also think that its fair enough when I said that I was not aware of any issues other than someone trying to sell me a meter.

Plus I am also new to the region, so I have no idea of what the normal rates are. So its not unrealistic to rely on my wife to know since she has lived here all her life. Its also makes more sense to take her advice over a strangers. 

I am not sure why everyone here insists on being experts on the issue and know better than actual Mexican citizens. You have issued a warning and I heeded it. Anything after that is really my problem. So lets move on.

Because its becoming clear the main issue here is its pointless to discuss issues in a reasonable fashion with out everyone taking offence to something.

"There is no point in arguing with some people as you cant change their mind and they refuse to change the subject"  seems to be the main plot here. If it isn't, it certainly over shadows any of the real concerns.

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1 hour ago, virgo lady said:

I'm calling BS on all of this continuing blah blah blah BS from Northtek and their original post as well.   

Something smells mighty fishy....or phishing..... to me.    And the website address he or she gave on the other thread does not even exist.     

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Sounds like some one is upset because they were called out on their own BS. I already said the site was not up and running. But its nice to see the lengths some people will go just to discredit another user.

So instead of just trying to attack me personally, why dont you just try and add to the conversation. You never know, you might like it. Just saying.

Otherwise, just take a seat back and let the people with pertinent knowledge time to answer the questions, As that's what I am planning from now on.

Yes I know that I probably should just let it slide, but it was a blatant attack, not even an attempt to vail it as constructive. 

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Not upset, in any way, and the comments were not personal though you seem to have taken them that way.     

I "add to the conversation" all the time here.   Check my + ratio.....way higher than yours, amigo.

And I seriously doubt you'll sit back and shut up as you say you will, since you seem to be incapable of it.     

Tell us all, senor blah blah blah.....what great tech business did you operate in Canada?     Enlighten us and keep us in suspense no more.....since it has been a month since your first BS post and your website isn't even operational yet?     

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