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The moderator has suggested I repost this as he had locked it because people's responses immediately became political and went into attack mode.

You may not agree with this physician's opinion and recommendations.  If you do post a rebuttal, then be polite and diplomatic and please stick to the medical topic and don't turn it into a political or personal confrontation.   I am currently in Houston and this was provided to his patients.   I have been reluctant to participate on this board many times because of personal attacks and this should not be happening here. 

I post this as informational so that people can be informed about different views and each person can make his/her choice.

I am asking the moderator to please only delete any responses that are political or in attack mode according to the policy of the webboard, and not deprive people of this article.

The So-Called COVID-19 "Vaccine"
Is Really A Dangerous Experimental Gene Therapy
Just Say "No!"

- Steven Hotze, M.D.

 
The so-called COVID-19 "vaccine" is not a vaccine at all. It is an experimental gene therapy. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) gives the definition of the term vaccine on its website, https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm. A vaccine is a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease. Immunity is the protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.

This so-called COVID-19 "vaccine" does not provide the individuals who receive the vaccine with immunity to COVID-19, nor does it prevent the transmission of this disease. That is why it is a deceptive trade practice, under 15 U.S. Code, Section 41 of the Federal Trade Commission, for pharmaceutical companies who are producing this experimental gene therapy, to claim that this is a vaccine. These pharmaceutical companies are lying to the public. The government health bureaucrats are also lying to the public, by calling this treatment a vaccine. This COVID-19 injection therapy is only designed to minimize your symptoms if you were to be infected with the COVID-19 virus.

Let me reemphasize that this COVID-19 experimental gene therapy does not meet the CDC’s own definition of a vaccine. It does not provide immunity or prevent transmission of the disease. By referring to this therapy as a "vaccine," the pharmaceutical companies are attempting to shield themselves, because vaccine injuries or deaths are exempted by law from any product liability lawsuits.

The United States health bureaucrats initiated Operation Warp Speed to fast track the so-called COVID-19 "vaccine." On December 11, 2020, the FDA approved the Pfizer-BioNTech "vaccine," and Moderna’s was approved a week later. These "vaccines" were approved without any published animal studies and without any long-term human studies. This means that the individuals who get them are the guinea pigs.

These "vaccines," which are manufactured using cells derived from human babies that were aborted in the 1970s, should more accurately be called an experimental gene therapy. They are an untested, unproven gene treatment that poses a much greater danger to your health than COVID-19 itself.

Unlike Any Previous Vaccine
The theory behind conventional vaccines is to inject a small amount of the infecting virus or bacteria protein into your body, which in turn will cause your immune system to produce antibodies to that infecting organism and provide you with immunity.

The new COVID-19 "vaccine" is a synthetic messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) experimental gene therapy, and it works much differently. The theory behind it is that when this synthetic mRNA is injected into your body, it will insert itself into your cells and begin producing coronavirus spike proteins. In turn, your immune system is expected to produce antibodies to the coronavirus protein made by your own cells.
There is no way to know how long your cells will produce these virus proteins, or if they will ever stop producing them. Your immune system will be hyper-charged and will overreact when exposed to any type of coronavirus in the future. This is what happened when mRNA experimental gene therapy was used against other types of coronaviruses in animals in 2005 and 2012. The animals died from an immune system hyper-reaction when they were later exposed to the coronavirus against which they had been previously vaccinated. This hyper-reaction is called an antibody dependent enhancement reaction.

Because these are the first mRNA "vaccines" ever used in humans, you would think that they would have been first tested and proven safe in animal studies and have at least two years of human testing, which are routinely required. Instead, the COVID-19 mRNA "vaccine" was only tested on humans for a couple of months. Wouldn’t it be prudent to have long term-human studies before recommending mass vaccination?

40,000+ Adverse Effects in the First Month
Adverse effects are inevitable. In the first month of use, there were more than 40,000 documented adverse reactions in the U.S., including thousands of cases of anaphylactic shock and serious neurological problems. Because only 10% of adverse effects are routinely reported, hundreds of thousands have likely been harmed. That is only in the first 30 days! As of February 14, there were also 934 deaths in individuals who had received this experimental gene therapy so-called "vaccine," including baseball great, Hank Aaron.

Even more worrisome are delayed and long-term adverse effects. The synthetic mRNA "vaccine" turns on the production of COVID-19 proteins, but it has no off switch. It just keeps on replicating, and the immune system keeps on mounting an immune response. That is why some researchers are concerned that it will provoke autoimmune reactions, setting you up for a lifetime of serious inflammatory disease.

Another major concern is the possibility that the COVID-19 "vaccine" can make infections worse. There is convincing evidence that this experimental gene therapy may trigger an antibody-dependent enhancement reaction and increase the virus’s ability to infect your cells. In other words, if you come down with the infection after being vaccinated, you may have a much worse case than if you had never had the "vaccine." Many experts are predicting a surge of life-threatening infections, inflammatory disorders and deaths in the coming months for those who have been vaccinated.

Of course, the blame will be placed on a mutant, particularly virulent strain of the virus, rather than on a poorly tested experimental gene therapy. Even if it were acknowledged, the U.S. government, which has spent $12.4 billion on COVID-19 vaccines so far, would foot the bill for damages incurred. As I previously mentioned, by law, pharmaceutical companies cannot be sued for any injury caused by any vaccine. So, they are reaping enormous profits with no downside risk of product liability.

Not Only Dangerous but Ineffective
Not only is the media downplaying the "vaccine’s" side effects, but they seem content to simply repeat the drug makers’ overly optimistic claims of efficacy.

You have probably heard that both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are 95% effective. This is a false claim. Yet, the medical establishment and the government bureaucrats have simply taken these pharmaceutical companies’ word for it and are encouraging everyone to line up for their "vaccines."

At the time the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna products were approved, these pharmaceutical giants had failed to release most of the raw data from their vaccine trials. In fact, they are still withholding much of it. However, now that more of it is available for review, a different picture is emerging.

British Medical Journal (BMJ) Associate Editor Peter Doshi, who had the opportunity to review the available data, pointed out the inconsistencies and weaknesses of the pre-approval trials. He concluded that rather than the widely publicized 95% effective rate, these "vaccines" are, at best, 19% effective. At this low rate, they would never have been approved!

Health Bureaucrats Are Flying Blind
There are still many unknowns about this experimental gene therapy. There is no indication that it saves lives or prevents spreading the infection to others, which is why health bureaucrats continue to recommend masking and social distancing. Nobody has any idea on the long-term, adverse effects of this experimental gene therapy, yet they are still plowing ahead with plans to vaccinate the entire population.

This experimental gene therapy will not eradicate the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 any more than the flu vaccine has eliminated the flu. COVID-19 is here to stay. Even without this so-called "vaccine," infections will slow as more people develop natural herd immunity.

Just Say "No!"
Why in the world would you risk all the known and unknown, short and long-term side effects of an experimental gene therapy that was inadequately tested, rushed through the approval process at "warp speed," and found to be much less effective, yet much more dangerous than initially promised? I am advising my family, my friends and my guests here at the Hotze Health & Wellness Center to just say, "No!"

COVID-19 infection poses no significant health risk except for infirm, elderly people and those with severe pre-existing conditions, not unlike the flu or any other respiratory infection. Most individuals who contract COVID-19 have mild to moderate symptoms for a few days, similar to the flu, and the overall survival rate of those who are infected is 99.98%.
Of course, it is important to strengthen your immune system with vitamin and mineral supplementation, healthy eating, natural hormone replenishment, treatment of allergies, exercise, a good night’s sleep and maintaining your ideal body weight. Aside from that, let’s allow the virus to run its course so that we can develop herd immunity, which is far safer and more effective than this experimental gene therapy injection could ever be.

The panic and mass hysteria created by government health bureaucrats, mainstream media, and politicians is all about control, power and money. I have written extensively about the ineffectiveness and dangers of wearing masks, social distancing, closing of businesses and lock downs. We need to get back to work, back to school and back to church.

Dr. Hotze is the founder and CEO of the Hotze Health & Wellness Center in Houston, Texas
www.hotzehwc.com

References
Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination. CDC. Feb. 16, 2021. https://www.cdc.gov/

 

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Here's another point of view:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe

Personally speaking I'm a little concerned still about the speed of all this and there have been some associated deaths.  We are planning on waiting until we go north in a few months for a few months to get the vaccine.  I do think from what I've read the Chinese and Russian versions should be avoided until there is a lot more experience with them.  I'll be looking for either the Pfizer or Moderna versions.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/covid-19-vaccines-safety-side-effects-and-coincidence-2021020821906

 

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2021/01/11/covid-19-vaccines-cant-alter-your-dna-heres-why/?sh=2e36c0fd2491

Covid-19 Vaccines Can’t Alter Your DNA, Here’s Why
Victoria Forster
Victoria ForsterContributor
Healthcare
Cancer research scientist and childhood cancer survivor.  Coronavirus vaccines against the SARS-CoV2 coronavirus will not change your DNA, but they will give you immunity.


As millions of people around the world are given vaccines against Covid-19, some people are still reluctant to get the shot. There are several common reasons for this ranging from some which are more reasonable to the downright absurd (think 5G and microchips).

One of the most popular circulating mistruths at the moment is that mRNA vaccines will alter your DNA, with pseudoscientific content flooding social networks such as Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. The good news is that they simply can’t do this, which will come as a disappointment to some who were hoping that this might be their chance for superpowers, but where did this belief in DNA-changing vaccines come from?

“I think people are concerned that because this is genetic material injected into the body, could it somehow mix in with your own genetic material and change it,” said Sara Riordan, President of the National Society of Genetic Counselors.

But there are crucial differences between DNA which carries all of the information we inherited from our parents and mRNA, which the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines are made of. DNA is double-stranded, very very long and bundled up tightly together inside a part of the cell called the nucleus. mRNA is a single-stranded copy of a small part of DNA, which is routinely made in the nucleus, but then released into the main part of the cell so that the instructions it carries can be ‘read’ and made into a variety of proteins needed by the cell.

“mRNA is naturally made by the body, it encodes instructions for your body's cells to make protein. Any mRNA vaccine has the same purpose, to teach and train your body to make an immune response toward a particular pathogen, so if the pathogen gets into your body, your immune system can attack it,” said Riordan. In the case of mRNA vaccines against Covid-19, these are not made in the nucleus, rather they are injected into the arm to tell muscle cells how to make part of the viral “Spike” or “S” protein, a tiny part of the SARS-CoV2 coronavirus, which on its own has none of the negative effects of the virus itself. “What’s really reassuring about these mRNA vaccines, the mRNA never even goes into the nucleus, the part of the cell contains all of your own DNA and instructions,” Riordan added.

So how do they actually work?

mRNA-based vaccines are a bit like standing in your kitchen and thinking what to make for dinner. You know you’ve got all of the ingredients to make a meal, but you don’t exactly know how to make it. So you download a recipe online, put everything together using ingredients and equipment you already have in your kitchen and eat your dinner.

The vaccines are simply the recipe, injecting it into your arm is simply giving specific information to your cells and letting them read it. Your cells expertly assemble the tiny part of the Spike protein from ingredients and equipment which they already have. After this, the immune system quickly goes after the spike protein fragment, learning to build up a defense against the coronavirus, should it ever encounter it.

But we don’t normally have mRNA encoding Spike protein floating around in our cells, so what happens to the mRNA itself after its injected into you and your cells make the bit of spike protein that tips off your immune system?

“The mRNA from the vaccine is destroyed by the cell after the instructions are read,“ said Riordan.  Although this may be a disappointment to people aspiring to gain superpowers from the new mRNA vaccines, the most you can hope for is some immunity to SARS-CoV2, likely at a cost of a mildly sore arm.

So where does this belief that the vaccine can change your DNA come from? As well as misunderstandings about the differences between mRNA and DNA, there are some biological entities which do change DNA, including treatments for some genetic diseases and even some viruses, which can have devastating effects on our DNA.

Some viruses do change DNA and this can have extremely negative consequences.

It’s important to say first of all that DNA-changing viruses do not include coronaviruses, but do include viruses like HIV and HPV. The way that these viruses work is by sticking themselves randomly in to the DNA of a cell, hijacking the cell’s replication machinery to make more copies of themselves. Because they are often indiscriminate as to where in the genome they put themselves, if they end up in the middle of a piece of code that is crucial for the cell, they can cause the cell to become cancerous. HPV can cause several different cancer types, including cervical and head and neck, which is why people are now often vaccinated against HPV. Another example is HIV, which integrates its own genome into that of human white blood cells, forcing the cell to make many copies of the virus, which eventually burst out to infect other cells.

Some treatments do intentionally change DNA, with intended positive consequences.

Scientists are increasingly trying to tackle genetic diseases by using gene therapies to correct, often inherited defects in DNA. New treatments for life-threatening or disabling conditions are now being approved at an impressive rate. In 2017, the FDA approved a virus-based drug to correct a genetic defect which causes blindness and others are in development for hearing loss and several other types of genetic disease.

But historically, gene therapy using viruses has had a rough ride. If a viral-based treatment inserts itself into a piece of DNA which is particularly important for the function of that cell, it could cause cancer, much like viruses such as HPV do. In the 1990s, viral gene therapy was used to try and treat children with severe combined immunodeficiency disorder (SCID) a devastating disease whereby children have essentially no functional immune response and even mild infections can be deadly. Scientists removed blood cells from these children, genetically modified their DNA with viruses to correct the faulty gene, before transplanting them back into the children.

For treating SCID, this approach worked. But, 5 of 20 patients went on to develop leukemias, likely because the virus had parked itself directly in the middle of a piece of DNA important in controlling cell growth and death, disrupting the normal function of the cell.

Gene therapy has had more success in recent years due to advances in technologies such as CRISPR, which allow the viruses to be more precisely put in bits of DNA which are considered ‘harmless’ and not likely to contribute to any risk of cancer, but such a technique was not considered for making vaccines to the coronavirus because although technically it could work, there are far better, safer and quicker ways of doing this now.

Scientists have been excited about mRNA vaccines for years with one of the main benefits being able to simply change the instructions to tackle new targets. Moderna today announced that it has set its sights on seasonal flu and HIV among others and if vaccine-resistant versions of SARS-CoV2 should arise, researchers are confident that they can quickly change the instructions in the vaccine to adapt as needed.

But for the present, the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines are neither viruses, nor gene therapy and they won’t change your DNA.

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Also, what bothers me is that my understanding that the function of  vaccine is to  prevent a disease from occuring, such as polio.  Evidently these injections don't do that.  They only minimize the symptoms.

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39 minutes ago, Bisbee Gal said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2021/01/11/covid-19-vaccines-cant-alter-your-dna-heres-why/?sh=2e36c0fd2491

Covid-19 Vaccines Can’t Alter Your DNA, Here’s Why
Victoria Forster
Victoria ForsterContributor
Healthcare
Cancer research scientist and childhood cancer survivor.  Coronavirus vaccines against the SARS-CoV2 coronavirus will not change your DNA, but they will give you immunity.


As millions of people around the world are given vaccines against Covid-19, some people are still reluctant to get the shot. There are several common reasons for this ranging from some which are more reasonable to the downright absurd (think 5G and microchips).

One of the most popular circulating mistruths at the moment is that mRNA vaccines will alter your DNA, with pseudoscientific content flooding social networks such as Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. The good news is that they simply can’t do this, which will come as a disappointment to some who were hoping that this might be their chance for superpowers, but where did this belief in DNA-changing vaccines come from?

“I think people are concerned that because this is genetic material injected into the body, could it somehow mix in with your own genetic material and change it,” said Sara Riordan, President of the National Society of Genetic Counselors.

But there are crucial differences between DNA which carries all of the information we inherited from our parents and mRNA, which the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines are made of. DNA is double-stranded, very very long and bundled up tightly together inside a part of the cell called the nucleus. mRNA is a single-stranded copy of a small part of DNA, which is routinely made in the nucleus, but then released into the main part of the cell so that the instructions it carries can be ‘read’ and made into a variety of proteins needed by the cell.

“mRNA is naturally made by the body, it encodes instructions for your body's cells to make protein. Any mRNA vaccine has the same purpose, to teach and train your body to make an immune response toward a particular pathogen, so if the pathogen gets into your body, your immune system can attack it,” said Riordan. In the case of mRNA vaccines against Covid-19, these are not made in the nucleus, rather they are injected into the arm to tell muscle cells how to make part of the viral “Spike” or “S” protein, a tiny part of the SARS-CoV2 coronavirus, which on its own has none of the negative effects of the virus itself. “What’s really reassuring about these mRNA vaccines, the mRNA never even goes into the nucleus, the part of the cell contains all of your own DNA and instructions,” Riordan added.

So how do they actually work?

mRNA-based vaccines are a bit like standing in your kitchen and thinking what to make for dinner. You know you’ve got all of the ingredients to make a meal, but you don’t exactly know how to make it. So you download a recipe online, put everything together using ingredients and equipment you already have in your kitchen and eat your dinner.

The vaccines are simply the recipe, injecting it into your arm is simply giving specific information to your cells and letting them read it. Your cells expertly assemble the tiny part of the Spike protein from ingredients and equipment which they already have. After this, the immune system quickly goes after the spike protein fragment, learning to build up a defense against the coronavirus, should it ever encounter it.

But we don’t normally have mRNA encoding Spike protein floating around in our cells, so what happens to the mRNA itself after its injected into you and your cells make the bit of spike protein that tips off your immune system?

“The mRNA from the vaccine is destroyed by the cell after the instructions are read,“ said Riordan.  Although this may be a disappointment to people aspiring to gain superpowers from the new mRNA vaccines, the most you can hope for is some immunity to SARS-CoV2, likely at a cost of a mildly sore arm.

So where does this belief that the vaccine can change your DNA come from? As well as misunderstandings about the differences between mRNA and DNA, there are some biological entities which do change DNA, including treatments for some genetic diseases and even some viruses, which can have devastating effects on our DNA.

Some viruses do change DNA and this can have extremely negative consequences.

It’s important to say first of all that DNA-changing viruses do not include coronaviruses, but do include viruses like HIV and HPV. The way that these viruses work is by sticking themselves randomly in to the DNA of a cell, hijacking the cell’s replication machinery to make more copies of themselves. Because they are often indiscriminate as to where in the genome they put themselves, if they end up in the middle of a piece of code that is crucial for the cell, they can cause the cell to become cancerous. HPV can cause several different cancer types, including cervical and head and neck, which is why people are now often vaccinated against HPV. Another example is HIV, which integrates its own genome into that of human white blood cells, forcing the cell to make many copies of the virus, which eventually burst out to infect other cells.

Some treatments do intentionally change DNA, with intended positive consequences.

Scientists are increasingly trying to tackle genetic diseases by using gene therapies to correct, often inherited defects in DNA. New treatments for life-threatening or disabling conditions are now being approved at an impressive rate. In 2017, the FDA approved a virus-based drug to correct a genetic defect which causes blindness and others are in development for hearing loss and several other types of genetic disease.

But historically, gene therapy using viruses has had a rough ride. If a viral-based treatment inserts itself into a piece of DNA which is particularly important for the function of that cell, it could cause cancer, much like viruses such as HPV do. In the 1990s, viral gene therapy was used to try and treat children with severe combined immunodeficiency disorder (SCID) a devastating disease whereby children have essentially no functional immune response and even mild infections can be deadly. Scientists removed blood cells from these children, genetically modified their DNA with viruses to correct the faulty gene, before transplanting them back into the children.

For treating SCID, this approach worked. But, 5 of 20 patients went on to develop leukemias, likely because the virus had parked itself directly in the middle of a piece of DNA important in controlling cell growth and death, disrupting the normal function of the cell.

Gene therapy has had more success in recent years due to advances in technologies such as CRISPR, which allow the viruses to be more precisely put in bits of DNA which are considered ‘harmless’ and not likely to contribute to any risk of cancer,ut such a technique was not considered for making vaccines to the coronavirus because although technically it could work, there are far better, safer and quicker ways of doing this now.

Scientists have been excited about mRNA vaccines for years with one of the main benefits being able to simply change the instructions to tackle new targets. Moderna today announced that it has set its sights on seasonal flu and HIV among others and if vaccine-resistant versions of SARS-CoV2 should arise, researchers are confident that they can quickly change the instructions in the vaccine to adapt as needed.

But for the present, the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines are neither viruses, nor gene therapy and they won’t change your DNA.

So, if they give you immunity, how is it that people who have been vaccinated  are getting it?

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Just google this guy and you will see that he is just another nut-job in the blabosphere of what is called SOCIAL MEDIA !!!

I put into the search bar "Who is Dr. Steven Hotze M.D." and here is the first entry:

Steven Hotze (born in 1949 or 1950) is a talk-radio host, physician, and Republican activist in Texas. He is an anti-LGBT rights activist, and has filed lawsuits to strike down COVID-19-related public health measures and invalidate ballots cast in the 2020 US election.

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22 minutes ago, gringal said:

I would appreciate information on the Russian or Chinese vaccines we would be getting in Mexico:  research, testing of ?? people, etc, since I won't be going to the U.S. to get the shots. 

Per a recent post by @#HarryB  , he expects Chapala to get the Pfizer vaccine. 

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8 hours ago, #HarryB said:

The zone which includes Chapala will be getting the Pizer vaccine.  If you expect rapid response to ANYTHING in Mexico you are sadly deluded and in for a never ending succession of disappointments.

https://www.chapala.com/webboard/index.php?/topic/90255-for-those-who-registered-online-for-the-vaccine-my-wife-and-i-signed-up-two-weeks-ago/page/2/&tab=comments#comment-685169

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2 hours ago, Zeb said:

You may not agree with this physician's opinion and recommendations.  If you do post a rebuttal, then be polite and diplomatic and please stick to the medical topic and don't turn it into a political or personal confrontation.

This post not only is full of incorrect and misleading "opinion" content, it has no place in the lakeside / Guad forum, either.     

Both the OP and the "Moderator" should know that and it should be removed.

The Queen has been vaccinated, as have many world leaders.      Nothing is "perfect".....but even the Astra Zeneca vaccine, just approved by Health Canada has been shown to be 100% effective in preventing hospitalizations and deaths.     Both in the trials, and in real world use.     And THAT is the goal, at least in this near term.

"Stop The Spread".....of false, misleading, and alarmist conspiracy "info".

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Zeb I understand your desire to get good information about Covid-19... or anything for that matter.  I wish that your previous Post and initial responses had not be deleted as there was what I think was a beneficial Post regarding this doctor.  Maybe it will be reposted here. 

In a nut shell, this doctor is way off the charts with respect to what the vast majority of scientists and doctors IN THE WORLD are saying.  Also.... from the deleted Post.... he has been issued a 'cease and desist' order from either the FDA or the CDC about these Covid claims. He also runs a 'supplement' business wherein he makes bold statements about his products to cure things. Conflict of interest? Protecting his business interest?

IMO this guys claims are about as valid as the 'flat earth' claims.... or that the US Moon landing was actually staged on a Hollywood setting!   Please do more investigation about this guys claims.

 

 

 

 

 

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As far as I am concerned the debate about if you should get the vaccine is over. All the testing showed a 94% - 95% success rate and my research shows that this rate has only increased during the actual ongoing program implemented to date. 

On another point regarding getting the shots here, I was a little tardy in signing up on the registration site mivacuna.salud.gob.mx due to the reports of the time and difficulty involved. Yesterday I bit the bullet and bingo...a piece of cake!!! I use Chrome and have it set as English as the default language and the site came up in English. First it asked the enter my CURP and then next. Immediately it showed all my information that was correct and then next again. It then asked for contact info including a phone #, cell # , personal email address and then an alternative email address. Then it asked for my preferred contact method and I entered email. Then I think FINISH that I clicked and that was that. I think it took under 2 minutes!!! I will be there when they tell me, as I would advise others. If you do not you are selfish because the final positive result depends on the population getting what is called "herd immunity". 

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Directly copied from the Rules section of this board:   (added proof of why this post, in addition to being false, has no place here and should be removed)

Topics are to focus on Lakeside/Guadalajara area. There is a Mexico section for the rest of Mexico. Please use it.

All are welcome here to ask questions, get answers, agree or disagree in a civil manner on things about Mexico and Lakeside living. But this is not the place to make personal comments against those you don't agree with or because you don't happen to like their opinion or topic. It is easy enought to ignore a post or topic you don't agree with. That is the appropriate action and if you think the post or topic violates this code of conduct, please bring it to the attention of anyone on the moderating team. It will be dealt with.

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2 hours ago, Zeb said:

So, if they give you immunity, how is it that people who have been vaccinated  are getting it?

Zeb, all viruses are not the same. While the goal of vaccinations is to give 100% immunity that is certainly not always the case. Vaccines are designed to 'trick' the bodies immune system into thinking it has 'something' so that it will product antibodies against that 'something'.  That is why one must/should get, say, a tetanus booster shot every 10 years... or why we should get another vaccine for something if heading/traveling into a country where something is running rampant.  Also, vaccines are not always designed to completely rule out the possibility of one getting something but if they do it should be a mild(er) case than without.

Since the Covid virus is 'brand new' to the world AND because there are mutating strains of it, no one can say at this moment is the current vaccines for it will be effective 'forever' nor can one at this point even say with certainty that after getting the shots one may still get a mild version. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Mainecoons said:

That figure is also in dispute.

Just sayin,

 

Please give some verified resources that say that there have not been, if not exactly 500,000, a sh*tpot full of deaths in the US alone that have been officially attributed to the Covid-19 virus.  You Post, to me, insinuates that there have not been verifiable covid deaths in that number of cases.

 

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