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The world has somehow survived at least three outbreaks of the bubonic plague, the Spanish flu and numerous other deadly diseases without the drastic measures governments around the world are now impo

The other day  , whe they turned me away from Walmart, I went to 8 stores to fill my list.. I would think it is more dangerous to go to 8 stores than one...  

Then it will be more contagious at home.  At some point it is time to stop living in fear and seeing boogiemen around every corner.

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I agree also people who use that term are not flying extremely high as a rule...😀 

It is not meant as an insult, it is just slang that young people use and for an older person to use it , it just reflect on the mentality of the speaker , nothing more..

 

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16 hours ago, dichosalocura said:

I also call BS on that too.  Where did they flatten the curve?  In Europe where they spent all summer with extremely severe restrictions and all late fall the media kept reporting on how the virus was rampaging across Europe again forcing cities everywhere to go back into shutdown.

I call BS, on your BS.   I've given proof, you've given nothing, and here's more from the Globe and Mail this morning on a good sized Ontario city and region around it, that, via carefulness and restrictions, has and is succeeding:     (I still think it is opening up too much and too fast, but the point here is that they are able to)

On Wednesday, three areas will move into Ontario’s “green” category, which has the fewest COVID-19 rules: Hastings Prince Edward Public Health; Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health; and Renfrew County and District Health Unit.

Residents in these areas will be allowed to dine in restaurants, shop, attend indoor fitness classes of up to 50 people, indoor weddings of 50 people, gamble in casinos and watch movies in cinemas, with COVID-19 measures in place.

Kieran Moore, medical officer of health for the Kingston-area region, said his community has virtually no transmission and it will remain that way as long as locals stay in the area.

“The only way we get this virus is if people travel here or our people go elsewhere,” Dr. Moore said. “That should be the main communication to the public: Stay local, support local, stay in your communities.”
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19 hours ago, Mostlylost said:

Just would like to know ....Name 5 societies that flattened or crushed the curve and  are now living normally because of lockdowns. 

New Zealand, Australia, Taiwan, South Korea and there are probably a couple of others out there

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8 minutes ago, conejorapido said:

New Zealand, Australia, Taiwan, South Korea and there are probably a couple of others out there

At least in the case of South Korea it is not that simple.  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52482553

Massive testing, very high compliance with protection, very strong tracking, enabled them to minimize lockdowns.  Same for Taiwan.  Australia went the lockdown route but it was so effective it did not drag on and on like here.  Thinly populated, highly homogeneous and isolated New Zealand is not really going to provide a lot of insight for far larger and more diverse populations that have a high rate of interchange across borders.

Most other nationalities are simply not as cooperative as Asian people.  And let's face it that definitely includes both Mexico and the U.S.  Europe was more a problem of very old populations of the most vulnerable people.

In order to work, the lockdown strategy has to have high compliance.  It did not here and we all know it.  Just doing the same lockdown strategy over and over again as has been done here has mainly driven another 13 million people into poverty, caused the greatest economic contraction since the great depression and we can only guess how many lives that, plus the likely deepening of poverty for those already so afflicted has cost.  And the people are passively resisting it in large numbers.

The numbers are dropping steadily now even here as the bulge probably caused by holiday gathering of families and more partying has caused.  The truth of it is Mexicans are not going to forego their love of family gathering and partying regardless of what the government here says.  Given how inadequate the vaccination program is, in the final analysis covid will slow down here after it has run its course.

Folks here don't like to hear this but it is right in front of our eyes.  Our only options are to really focus on self protection or return to places like Canada, albeit now at rather large expense.  As a U.S. citizen I've concluded we are better off staying here rather than jump from the frying pan into the frying pan next door.

 

 

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In Tawain they were masks all the time but everything is open and it is life as usual more or less .. as there is lots of testing and people i quarentine when returning to the country. 

 

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1 hour ago, conejorapido said:

New Zealand, Australia, Taiwan, South Korea and there are probably a couple of others out there

I still would  like to know ....Name 5 societies that flattened or crushed the curve and  are now living normally because of lockdowns. 

New Zealand  (island nation) is far from living normally.  Only citizens can enter the country. Those permitted must stay in a government run facility for 2 weeks. Mask wearing  is requires for various activities.

Australia  is far from living normally. Borders still closed to non citizens. Mask wearing required for many activities. Limits on gatherings. Even travel in the country is restricted to certain areas.

Taiwan (island nation) is far from living normally Mask wearing every where.  Temperature checks, hand sanitizer, and sometimes identity registration are not uncommon when entering restaurants, grocery stores, department stores, gyms, movie theaters, public transportation, and government buildings.  

South Korea is far from living normally. South Korea will be extending its restrictions by two weeks until the end of the Lunar New Year holidays, said Prime Minister Chung Sye-Kyun on Sunday.  Authorities on Monday reported 289 new infections in the past 24-hour period. That is the first time the daily number has been under 300 since Nov. 23. 

Still looking for counties that are now living normally because of lockdowns....

 

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49 minutes ago, Mostlylost said:

Still looking for counties that are now living normally because of lockdowns....

That's like saying you are looking for black bears in your Lakeside backyard. Ain't gonna have any success.

As I mentioned before, it is pretty pointless to try to talk to someone like you who still doesn't get it. No country is living normally because of lockdowns, that's not the point of lockdowns- they are to slow down the spread and contain known cases so people aren't dying in large numbers or overwhelming hospitals.

No place will "live normally" until the virus is properly managed and no longer poses a major threat. You don't seem to understand the nature or meaning of the word pandemic.

 

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Wearing masks and using all the other precautions may be the new normal for years to come. This virus, like the common cold, may mutate forever, providing new variants, and even requiring that we get vaccinated every year; if new vaccines can be developed in time. Naturally, the less cautious folks will be the ones to become infected more frequently, and contribute to the infection of more innocent people around them. That is how any contagion works, and a pandemic is an out of control contagion. This one is global.

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17 minutes ago, mudgirl said:

That's like saying you are looking for black bears in your Lakeside backyard. Ain't gonna have any success.

As I mentioned before, it is pretty pointless to try to talk to someone like you who still doesn't get it. No country is living normally because of lockdowns, that's not the point of lockdowns- they are to slow down the spread and contain known cases so people aren't dying in large numbers or overwhelming hospitals.

No place will "live normally" until the virus is properly managed and no longer poses a major threat. You don't seem to understand the nature or meaning of the word pandemic.

 

You have absolutely no idea of what I understand about the nature of the word pandemic.  And I do get it. But as usual you need to attack someone who doesn't think like you do. 

I asked a poster to inform me of countries that are now living normally because of lockdowns.... as stated in their post.

Answer is there aren't any....

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32 minutes ago, Mostlylost said:

I asked a poster to inform me of countries that are now living normally because of lockdowns.... as stated in their post.

I see. I had to go back and reread her first post. 

I assume she meant that people in countries like New Zealand have been able to resume normal activities like going out and about shopping, visiting with friends and family and travelling domestically, which is true.

Living normally doesn't mean acting as if there is no virus threat, just as driving normally doesn't mean you don't wear a seat belt just because neither you nor anyone you know has ever had a car accident. They are still following precautions like wearing masks on public transportation and so on in order not to have a resurgence of cases.

And there are countries where wearing masks in crowded public venues has been normal practice long before COVID. It may indeed be considered normal in many more places in the world for years to come.

 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Upfront said:

look goofyhombre. i have started a list of every time you have just gone ahead and f***ed up a thread with your pernicious unfunny bs. you are like a boil that never goes away. go away

I call him greengo :)  However, I think goofy is better.  Or maybe goofy duck? I do not know  :)

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7 hours ago, Upfront said:

look goofyhombre. i have started a list of every time you have just gone ahead and f***ed up a thread with your pernicious unfunny bs. you are like a boil that never goes away. go away

And just what do you intend to do with your "list" ye one of "Do as I say, not as I do" fame???

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Speaking of store access, I went to Soriana yesterday. Walked in and shopped. Just like that. There were very few people shopping. Two registers open. One person checking out,  and I went to the second register where the cashier was waiting for me. Everyone masked. 

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20 hours ago, Upfront said:

ah yes. the old IT IS TOO DIFFICULT SO WHY BOTHER answer

Exactly.....the "negative" posters here actually admit that lockdowns and restrictions work.....wow.     Economies can recover, lives cannot be recovered.     What all gov'ts needed to do, and still need to do, is deficit spend to support things until the "old normal" can be attained.     Doesn't matter really about the deficits as all boats would float at the same level.

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1 hour ago, virgo lady said:

Exactly.....the "negative" posters here actually admit that lockdowns and restrictions work.....wow.     Economies can recover, lives cannot be recovered.     What all gov'ts needed to do, and still need to do, is deficit spend to support things until the "old normal" can be attained.     Doesn't matter really about the deficits as all boats would float at the same level.

And just where did you get your economics degree? "Doesn't matter really about the deficits as all boats would float at the same level." This makes no sense at all!!!

 

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1 hour ago, gringohombre said:

And just where did you get your economics degree? "Doesn't matter really about the deficits as all boats would float at the same level." This makes no sense at all!!!

 

I do have an economics degree and an MBA in Finance.      Why don't you add a few more exclamation marks, maybe that will clear it up for you.    

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9 minutes ago, virgo lady said:

I do have an economics degree and an MBA in Finance.      Why don't you add a few more exclamation marks, maybe that will clear it up for you.    

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Your article was about Canada, not the US and certainly not about México. Huge deficit spending only drives economies into the ditch. And who suffers the most?...the poor and disadvantaged, as if they are not suffering enough already here!!! Do you think the upper class here cares how high their boats float? They will always be floating far above the lower class and maybe even higher with what you are proposing!!!

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