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I do not think it is approved in Mexico yet not that it makes a difference because  the chinese one is not approved either and they are getting plenty..

In France they are saying that the British vaccine does not work for older people.. that is the latest...  I guess waiting is not so bad after all..

 

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Cuidado on the Russian Sputnik and the Chinese vaccine.   Current data on the Sputnik shows only 73-85% effectiveness and Brazilian trial of the Chinese vaccine came in around 50-58%. 

Neither of those is a good option for Mexico.   At those rates, people will continue to spread, get and die from Covid in Mexico.   We need better options from those and hope the Mx govt wakes up and realizes they are not solving the Covid problem with those two vaccines.

Another confusing question: if you take one of the sub-standard vaccines, like the Sputnik or Chinese, could you follow up with a Moderna or Pfizer doses when you get access to them?

I , too, heard yesterday that the AstraZeneca ( British) vaccine is only working in about 10% of the senior citizens.  But, I am still trying to figure out the science regarding that finding.  They reported that to the EU Health Commission yesterday.  

The jury ( scientific data) is still out on the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines in terms of handling the variants coming out of Europe and So. Africa. 

So, the world is not out of the woods yet.  All the more reason we cannot stop wearing masks or social distancing until we have real knowledge that this is a safe world from Covid. 

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22 minutes ago, mexijims1 said:

Cuidado on the Russian Sputnik and the Chinese vaccine.   Current data on the Sputnik shows only 73-85% effectiveness...

 

Actually 73-85% effectiveness is pretty good. It's just that we are now accustomed to comparing it against the 95% of the 'new' vaccine development.

80% effective means that only 2 out of 10 will get it at some level.... probably w/ minimal symptoms.  That's mucho better than without.

 

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Not the way I see it. Would not want to be one of the ones falling into the 15- 27% of ineffective population.  Furthermore , we have no idea if that ineffective population will get full blown cases of Covid or not. You are talking about maybe milder symptoms?  I think the ineffective could lead to death !

Mexico should and needs to do better!   

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/hdn/hrlm/p/fastly_redirect.html?dm=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.stamfordadvocate.com%2Fnews%2Farticle%2FMexico-s-pandemic-policy-No-police-No-curfews-15898157.php

 

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1 hour ago, mexijims1 said:

Cuidado on the Russian Sputnik and the Chinese vaccine.   Current data on the Sputnik shows only 73-85% effectiveness and Brazilian trial of the Chinese vaccine came in around 50-58%. 

Neither of those is a good option for Mexico.   At those rates, people will continue to spread, get and die from Covid in Mexico.   We need better options from those and hope the Mx govt wakes up and realizes they are not solving the Covid problem with those two vaccines.

Another confusing question: if you take one of the sub-standard vaccines, like the Sputnik or Chinese, could you follow up with a Moderna or Pfizer doses when you get access to them?

I , too, heard yesterday that the AstraZeneca ( British) vaccine is only working in about 10% of the senior citizens.  But, I am still trying to figure out the science regarding that finding.  They reported that to the EU Health Commission yesterday.  

The jury ( scientific data) is still out on the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines in terms of handling the variants coming out of Europe and So. Africa. 

So, the world is not out of the woods yet.  All the more reason we cannot stop wearing masks or social distancing until we have real knowledge that this is a safe world from Covid. 

There are 3 different vaccines in phase 3 trials that are from China.  One made by CanSino Bio, one made by  Sinopharm, one made by Fosun Pharma (working with Pfizer/BioNTec)

Mexico has contracted for CanSino if it is approved. it is in phase 3 trials in  Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Pakistan, Russia., and Saudi Arabia  It is being tested as both a one dose and a two dose vaccine. 

Initial data from Sputnik V is being reported as efficacy of 91.4%  and 21 days after the second dose at 95%. 

Mexico has also contracted with Pfizer, and AstroZenica.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, mexijims1 said:

Regarding the Russian Sputnik vaccine, the 91% efficacy is being reported by the Russians.  The 73-85% efficacy is being reported by Reuters.

Which source do you believe ? 

Neither   However since phase 3 trials have not been fully presented I do find it hard to think Reuters would have inside information that no one else does. 

Se prior post about German press getting AstroZenica statistics wrong. 

Sputnik V phase trials are about to conclude in India.  Possibly because the Indian government has contracted with them to buy from them, and the reports of 91.2% are from the trials in India there might be some hope the numbers are real. 

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All of this just fortifies my belief that in today's world of 'instant information', coupled with the ease with which anyone can 'post' that information verified or not, our ability to digest and believe anything has been dealt a blow. 

We probably are all 'responsible' for this to some degree... some more than others of course. 

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On 1/26/2021 at 2:45 PM, Mostlylost said:

Reports in German media outlets that the Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is less effective in older people appear to be unfounded, the German government said Tuesday.

Change of heart on the part of the German government?;

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55839885

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On 1/26/2021 at 12:11 PM, mexijims1 said:

Cuidado on the Russian Sputnik and the Chinese vaccine.   Current data on the Sputnik shows only 73-85% effectiveness and Brazilian trial of the Chinese vaccine came in around 50-58%. 

Neither of those is a good option for Mexico.   At those rates, people will continue to spread, get and die from Covid in Mexico.   We need better options from those and hope the Mx govt wakes up and realizes they are not solving the Covid problem with those two vaccines.

Another confusing question: if you take one of the sub-standard vaccines, like the Sputnik or Chinese, could you follow up with a Moderna or Pfizer doses when you get access to them?

I , too, heard yesterday that the AstraZeneca ( British) vaccine is only working in about 10% of the senior citizens.  But, I am still trying to figure out the science regarding that finding.  They reported that to the EU Health Commission yesterday.  

The jury ( scientific data) is still out on the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines in terms of handling the variants coming out of Europe and So. Africa. 

So, the world is not out of the woods yet.  All the more reason we cannot stop wearing masks or social distancing until we have real knowledge that this is a safe world from Covid. 

We may never be out of the woods.

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On 1/26/2021 at 1:51 PM, Bisbee Gal said:

AstraZeneca is denying these reports, but German news has reported that it is only 8-10% effective for those aged 65+

https://news.yahoo.com/germany-fears-astrazeneca-vaccine-wont-203552873.html

 

On 1/26/2021 at 2:45 PM, Mostlylost said:

Reports in German media outlets that the Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is less effective in older people appear to be unfounded, the German government said Tuesday.

Evidently those German media reports were NOT unfounded.  

The German Government said yesterday Jan. 28th that they do NOT recommend AstraZeneca vaccine for anyone 65 and older.  

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-astrazenec-idUSKBN29X1PY?taid=6012c36f2ca1e90001642a84&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter&fbclid=IwAR1qXXzq8fqimeNPGzsdjpTAzKsadfsplRLN34SS4rcf5mkfMDHC_oL6p1Y

HEALTHCARE & PHARMA
JANUARY 28, 20217:02 Germany recommends AstraZeneca COVID-19 shot only for under 65s
By Reuters Staff


BERLIN (Reuters) - AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine should only be given to people aged between 18 and 64, Germany’s vaccine committee said in a draft recommendation, a day ahead of a decision by European regulators on whether to approve the drugmaker’s shot.

“There are currently insufficient data available to assess the vaccine efficacy from 65 years of age,” the committee, also known as Stiko, said in a draft resolution made available by the German health ministry on Thursday.

“The AstraZeneca vaccine, unlike the mRNA vaccines, should only be offered to people aged 18-64 years at each stage,” it added.

AstraZeneca did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

 

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