bmh Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 We could also bring back forced labor and drafting of population to do roads. am sure that would be really popular... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyBee Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 Maybe my next door neighbor could help, his name is Caesar and he may have inherited some of the traits of his great, great.........great grandfather who knew how to get things done..☺️ (at no cost). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 In 1961 I recall driving a stretch of a Roman road in western Turkey, south of Izmir, on the way to Kușadası. It was very smooth and the bridges were intact over a couple of streams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 The bridges get fixed up over the centuries..do not believe for one minute that they last that many centuries without any work being done on them. We have Roman work in the south of France, actually we have some Roman ruin in Paris and without fixing they fall apart eventually.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 3 hours ago, lakeside7 said: It is amazing how many examples there are in Europe of the roads built by the Romans. The quality and craftmanship is outstanding. Maybe the city could send a Jefe or two to study their technique!!! The secret the Romans found was to take care in building the roadbeds with enough gravel and sand to reduce the effect of vibration. The roads here in Mexico are being rattled to death. They also used a special mix of concrete, originally called Roman Cement, but now more commonly called pozzolan cement. It uses the fine, glass like micro shards found in volcanic ash, which adds high strength and low cracking to the mix. You can see examples of it in the bridge pillars of the new southern Guadalajara bypass. It has a light tan color. I have no idea whether they found a source in Mexico. In Vancouver, for their elevated train project, they imported pozzolan from Italy. They can also use fly ash, a byproduct of coal burning, or burnt rice husks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPanda Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 The secret was actually an unlimited number of slaves. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 and very little traffic... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 It was just solid engineering. Today a single piece of construction equipment can do the work of thousands of slaves. The slaves in Mexico are the hardworking taxpayers who pay for it, then get bad engineering, and have to keep working to fix everything. Look at the state of infrastructurw in the U.S.A - trilliions of $ required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPanda Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, CHILLIN said: It was just solid engineering. And a LOT of slaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 This is off topic but there are now more slaves and pirates than ever before in human history? Mostly in Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted December 11, 2020 Report Share Posted December 11, 2020 With so much input and expertise there should be no need to send Mexican Jeffe's to Europe... just line up outside the Municipal Office and offer your knowledge (free of course)...there problem fixed, lets move on..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 chillin , I doubt very much that there are more slaves than ever when lavery was widely acccepted and was instutionalized Sorry Chillin , you are way off on that one. In Mexico I have een Maya.. bud local roads and believe me, they are no great shake and the work is never finished as they ask for cooperation to every car that goes buy when they are working.. Thank God they do not work every day. THere is a road befor you get to San ANdres Larrainzar ever since I moved to the area in 2004, stilll not finshed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafemediterraneo Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 14 hours ago, bmh said: chillin , I doubt very much that there are more slaves than ever when lavery was widely acccepted and was instutionalized Sorry Chillin , you are way off on that one. In Mexico I have een Maya.. bud local roads and believe me, they are no great shake and the work is never finished as they ask for cooperation to every car that goes buy when they are working.. Thank God they do not work every day. THere is a road befor you get to San ANdres Larrainzar ever since I moved to the area in 2004, stilll not finshed. I think Chillin is correct, there are more slaves today than at any other point in history. How many humans are indentured in Saudi Arabia? Poor foreign workers have their passports held and wages confiscated, are beaten and killed with no recourse. Millions in Asia, Africa and Latin America work in apaulling conditions to support a starvation life style. The difference is that the slave owner class no longer has to protect their slaves, they just discard them and get new ones. Whether its a percentage rise in our earthly population or just in number of people,its more. And we're not even talking about wage slaves who work dangerous, unhealthy, unsatisfying jobs, trapped in a hopeless life style controlled by faceless corporations, don't get me started....the Plantation is alive and well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 I think you guys are changing the definition of slavery... Slaves could be bought and sold and killed and no one cared.. There are some slaves in Africa that are being bought and sold, this has always existed, The prisoners of wars were enslaved and sold to Arab traders so nothing much has changed except that the actual selling of people is way down.. Now if you are talking about people who are exploited, help prisoners and used and misused,, they are millions, no doubt about that-There were also a good number of indentured servants in the good old days not unlike what you find in Saudi Arabia and other Arabic states, Asia, Latin America and ometimes in the States and Europe.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Did I miss something. I thought we were discussing ....Pueblo Magico Again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted December 13, 2020 Report Share Posted December 13, 2020 Oh lease what is there to say about Pueblo Magico??.. It i done, the town is a pueblo magico like it or not.. Time to move on... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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