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The Vallarta Daily is known for publishing a lot of sensational stories.  

 

https://www.xataka.com.mx/medicina-y-salud/vita-deyun-nueva-cura-para-covid-hecha-mexico-realidad-suplemento-fraudulento-1-800-pesos

Vita Deyun: the new "cure" for COVID made in Mexico is actually a fraudulent supplement for 1,800 pesos

 

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Another supplement that is a sensation in networks: Vita Deyún , made in Jalisco and by " 100% Mexican " hands is the new substance that promises not only to prevent Covid-19 (in the style of the drops recommended by SEGOB to several governors who were sick ), but also cure it in case of already infected patients.

The information began to circulate like wildfire , after various media published an exactly identical note , mentioning that the food supplement (thus registered with Cofepris) was examined by the Center for Western Biomedical Research , known as CIBO.

At the request of an investigation published in a scientific journal to verify some academic text that supports the effectiveness of the product, the lady assures that the official site has it. The official site does not have a link to any research article, so Vita Deyún has agreed to send it as soon as they have it " at hand ". No documents were sent after the call.

The information that we have received is the one that has to do with dosage and price. The cost of a 100 milliliter bottle of Vita Deyún is 1,800 pesos , which is contemplated for a "complete treatment for 5 days per person", taking 10 milliliters every 12 hours. The product is sent by Fedex courier to the entire republic, with shipping cost borne by the customer. All transfers are made to an account at HSBC.

Although we have tried to contact the Ministry of Health about the "project" undertaken around the nutritional supplement, we have not been successful. Regardless of the fact that there is some research protocol around the product, there is no evidence about its efficacy, and, being cataloged by Cofepris as a nutritional supplement, they do not have the credentials to claim as a therapeutic remedy or for COVID-19, nor for any other disease.

 

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So you are suggesting that Farmacia Guadalajara is selling a fraudulent product?

And your comment that PVDN is known for publishing a lot of sensational stories is based on what?

Do you think the doctors cited are deliberately engaging in fraud?

Can't find much information on your source.  Who are they?

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That story says, "

Vita Deyun is the first Mexican treatment that has undergone rigorous laboratory tests, but has also proven its effectiveness in more than 7,500 people.

Mexican doctors performed numerous in-vitro tests on patients and health personnel to verify the effectiveness of the supplement..."

In-vitro test are only test tube tests, so how could it be effective on people when they are not tested in-vivo?

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19 minutes ago, AngusMactavish said:

That story says, "

Vita Deyun is the first Mexican treatment that has undergone rigorous laboratory tests, but has also proven its effectiveness in more than 7,500 people.

Mexican doctors performed numerous in-vitro tests on patients and health personnel to verify the effectiveness of the supplement..."

In-vitro test are only test tube tests, so how could it be effective on people when they are not tested in-vivo?

Translation error maybe?  Doesn't fit the context of the entire paragraph.  Looking at the last paragraph I'd wager PVDN didn't actually make this report first hand but rather as they usually do reported on Spanish language sources.

In any case, the article cites names and events and is a great deal more specific than the one claiming it is a fraud.

Draw your own conclusions.

 

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On 9/16/2020 at 8:14 AM, Mainecoons said:

So you are suggesting that Farmacia Guadalajara is selling a fraudulent product?

And your comment that PVDN is known for publishing a lot of sensational stories is based on what?

Do you think the doctors cited are deliberately engaging in fraud?

Can't find much information on your source.  Who are they?

Here is a source that suggests pharmaceutical counterfeiting is a problem in Mexico 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8131247/amp/Deadly-Mexican-cartel-forces-pharmacies-purchase-bootleg-medicine.html

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Let me start with a confession. I'm not living in Ajijic any more. I now live in Queretaro. But I have made a few trips back since moving and this site has been a good way for me to quietly asses any issues like traffic that are going on. But in this case, I feel I need to speak out because I would feel awful if I didn't and someone was made for the worse for it. 

Three months ago I had COVID. I had a moderate case and did not need hospitalization. But afterwards, I just didn't get better. The fever went away, but he shortness of breathe, (SOB,) fatigue, chest pain, strange symptoms coming and going, did not. I was no longer viral shedding but have what they are calling in the USA, Long Haulers Syndrome. Studies are showing from 10 -15% of people are developing long term problems. And the range goes from mildly irritating to people dying 100 days after getting the virus from heart or lung issues. It has not been the top of the food chain news as a vaccine and keeping those initial deaths down are the priorities but you can "google scholar" real SCIENTIFIC studies that they have started to do with the issue. 

I have been working with a doctor in Houston through ZOOM who is with Baylor there in the Med Center. But most importantly, I have found some support sites that share with others what is and isn't working for various things. We are hive minding the best of the world's doctors and comparing notes. Many doctors say they visit the sites to see themselves what has - or is working. 

The reason I'm speaking out, is we are seeing now a few deaths from people taking "supplement mixtures" or homemade/specialty cures. This virus effects the ACE2 receptors and causes what is called a cytokine storm in the body. In fact, it can cause many storms spaced out. We have no idea what outside substance could also make these storms flair up more often and intensely. A woman who had been on for as long as I had lived in L.A. and she was talking about this great "chemist" that had come up with mixture of all natural items that was curing Long Haulers in weeks. She had just started it. Two weeks later, her husband got on telling us of his wife's passing. She started having a bad reaction almost the first day but at day three she went into cardiac arrest and her heart was swollen like a balloon. Preliminary autopsy reports showed she had a massive "attack" on her own heart by her ACE2 receptors. The "chemist" is gone. So is all the money he made with this great product. Other people were reporting getting worse instead of better. They don't know what exact thing was in the "natural" substance that made people react. As with everything here time will tell. 

Supplements are good. One of the treatments I am on is an intense medical grade vitamin D3 dosage based from positive trials in the UK and Germany. But it is only after it was watched carefully in patience that it was recommended for the general public. And fortunately, there are many studies already about D3 limits in the body in relation to ACE2 receptors. I'm not saying don't take vitamins. I'm saying do your research if you think you could get COVID or you get it. Some supplements that effect the immunities could be to much of a turbo boost or reaction killer to actually help - especially if combined with herbs to elevate your energy.  

PLEASE! Do not recommend mixtures or products that have not been vetted. I'm filling out questionnaires daily from doctors around the world looking for why some of us do not get better. As well as why some people have deadly "storms" within the first weeks. They want to know. From the source and amount of salt- to if I drink diet drinks. Do I use Tylenol a lot? Do I eat a lot of hormone enhanced products. Do I use essential oils? Take certain medications. Eat a lot of one fruit? There is most likely more than one needle in this haystack and we have to go straw by straw to find it. 

No one wants to advise a person to take something that could kill them. For those of us with no answer to how long we will be unable to function, it is so tempting to follow the "miracles." Especially if they are natural. Even 10% is an awful lot of people living in fear as to where the rest of their life will be spent. Right now mine is going from a bed to a sofa although I am seeing small gains from one of the three simple protocols they have me on. And it might not just be us Long Haulers that can damage ourselves with unvetted compounds or cures. You may make your own body weaker to the initial cytokine storms you have while viral.

Now! I will go back to stalking with my mouth shut. Forgive me if I'm out of line. I was planning on coming to Ajijic to bring a load of nice plants back right before the pandemic. I still hope to run into you at one of the local nurseries someday - sooner rather than later.       

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Great post by Best Side and wish you well.     Here is a very interesting article about a hospital / MD developed therapy in Ocala Florida, that combines proven existing drugs to help fight the worst symptoms and effects - not the virus itself - and thus can keep people out of the ICU if started early.     Still being tested but quite promising and could help fill the gap until vaccines are available:

https://www.ocala.com/story/business/2020/09/22/ocala-developed-covid-19-therapy-local-study/5865410002/

Best thing of course is to stay safe, distanced, masked, and patient, so as not to have to find out if this works for you.

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1 minute ago, Go Solar said:

Great post by Best Side and wish you well.     Here is a very interesting article about a hospital / MD developed therapy in Ocala Florida, that combines proven existing drugs to help fight the worst symptoms and effects - not the virus itself - and thus can keep people out of the ICU if started early.     Still being tested but quite promising and could help fill the gap until vaccines are available:

https://www.ocala.com/story/business/2020/09/22/ocala-developed-covid-19-therapy-local-study/5865410002/

Best thing of course is to stay safe, distanced, masked, and patient, so as not to have to find out if this works for you.

Thank you for your kind thoughts. I am on a very similar regime. I'm on the D3 instead of the C. I take the corticosteroid "dexamethasone". And am on the blood thinner "eliquis." They are not doing an antibiotic in the program I'm on which is good because I do not react well with them. What I like about this approach is all three are short term dosages with older basic drugs. They are not trying to reinvent the wheel with this. And they drew from studies in the UK, Germany, China, and the USA. Surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be any egos in the process at the Baylor program. Admittedly I was lucky as I was a physician's consultant in Houston so I was taken in under the guise of a favor to an old friend, but when I saw they were using cheap, available medication for everyone's benefit, I slept well knowing good people where on the case.   

I agree 100% with your last sentence. I know I caught it at HEB, (Queretaro has two of them now and they are always packed.) They were trying hard to keep people apart but it was wall to wall the day I was there. I believe I transferred the virus when adjusting my glasses because they were fogged up. I had been living the life of a monk and had little skin on my hands due to the washing and sanitizer. But I let my hand go to my face for my glasses several time. And I should have walked out of the store when I saw how busy it was. I basically got lazy. Now lazy would be good instead of fatigued. Thanks again.  

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A lot of ignorance here about this hokum nontreatment

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1 hour ago, AngusMactavish said:

The rain man has spoken.

It is one of his better / more intelligent posts, IMHO,so let's give him a break.    😉 

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Another interesting side effect seems to be depression, I hear about it from France and I see it in the indigenous communities in Chiapas, It seems that men are more prone to it.. it may be the same thing as the long hauler symptoms, I do not know but the amount of depression and the feel bad and or sick symptoms seems to be on the increase. ii.. I would not take any of the medecine advertise as the "cure " in Mexico on a bet. False  and misleading ads are filling the papers in Mexico and the internet on a daily basis.. Lots of snake oils salesmen out there and why people would fall for it is beyond me. 

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12 hours ago, bmh said:

Another interesting side effect seems to be depression, I hear about it from France and I see it in the indigenous communities in Chiapas, It seems that men are more prone to it.. it may be the same thing as the long hauler symptoms, I do not know but the amount of depression and the feel bad and or sick symptoms seems to be on the increase. ii.. I would not take any of the medecine advertise as the "cure " in Mexico on a bet. False  and misleading ads are filling the papers in Mexico and the internet on a daily basis.. Lots of snake oils salesmen out there and why people would fall for it is beyond me. 

We have added a side forum on the site with those being treated with the protocol I am using.  There was an obvious need to deal with the mental issues as even those who have always been stable and solid are questioning even looking at another day. One of the big problems is the shortness of breath and the natural panic it causes. The panic is good to wake us up if we are choking in our sleep or making us fight harder to not drowned. But when it comes from trying to walk up stairs and happens hour by hour, the overwhelming sense of dread that occurs is awful.

That, combined with the shame of having COVID is hard for some. I have been surprised how even level headed people who find out I have had it suddenly need me to be a bad person because I wasn't taking it serious enough. That was not the case. And it isn't in many cases. But we are almost made to feel stupid for allowing this to happen to us. I'm sure that is not a good feeling for a man of Mexican pride, as it isn't good for this white woman who knows she is dingy and is still bothered by the lack of empathy. If I said I had cancer, people would tell me how bad they feel for me. With COVID they just want to know where I messed up. 

And let's not forget we ALL are walking in a mental grey area with the economy, lack of normalcy, and grief over the loss of many. There will be a social PTSD aspect of life for years to come. My Great Aunt Minnie use to have an outhouse and also kept a well area with water. She had a fear the Germans were going to poison the public drinking supply as was her fear during the war. Tanta Minnie was not a crazy or strange person, but this one thing had eaten on her so bad when she was faced with a hard time, she had back-up sources of water and conserved until she died at 102. We will not know the true impact on our thoughts for some time to come. 

Talking about how reasonable the fears and depressions are is a big help to those suffering. As far as we have come in understanding the brain is a physically functioning organ that needs medical care, many still have a stigma when it comes to mental health. Ajijic is such a supportive community and I'm sure it will end up being one of the places better off in the end.      

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Another good point you brought up is the outcast category  that people with covid finds themselves in. A friend of ours died from it , he lived in an indigenous community and the town shunned the family after that. His sons told me they felt like people must have felt when they had the plague or leprosis.. That too is a tough thing to deal with..His two sons are still having mental problems months later..

Yes the wanting to know where people screwed up is what you see in war zone.. Everyone justifies to themselves why the person who got hurt or killed screwed up and that is a way to justify why it happened to someone else and how it could not have happened to you because you never do whatever...

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