Fred Habacht Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 Due to over loaded trucks, the Jocotepec bypass is breaking up in the section nearest the Guadalajara highway. The ruts can be dangerous at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunFan Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 That road had problems from day one. The contractor obviously cheated on construction and was never held accountable. Patches (as they are doing) will not work. The road safety can only get worse. I laughed a couple of years ago when a large pothole developed near the Joco entrance/exit. The solution for a couple of weeks was to paint a white circle around the hole. SunFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 that is what they do in Chiapas and it works... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TelsZ4 Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Fred Habacht said: Due to over loaded trucks, the Jocotepec bypass is breaking up in the section nearest the Guadalajara highway. The ruts can be dangerous at night. It is not due to overloaded trucks, it is due to poor engineering and poor construction.  That road collapsed and was closed for months within a few weeks of being opened.There have been potholes and large dips in that road since the day it reopened. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyjillin Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, TelsZ4 said: It is not due to overloaded trucks, it is due to poor engineering and poor construction.  That road collapsed and was closed for months within a few weeks of being opened.There have been potholes and large dips in that road since the day it reopened. Exactly ,it ain't nothing new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostlylost Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 Areas failed before it was even open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedros Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 I use that bypass fairly often. It is getting dangerous again. The problem seems to stem from poor quality construction materials and techniques. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Fred Habacht said: Due to over loaded trucks, the Jocotepec bypass is breaking up in the section nearest the Guadalajara highway. The ruts can be dangerous at night. More a case of extremely shoddy construction. It is so bad it could only be fixed by digging up the entire road and building a new foundation under it.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedros Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 14 hours ago, Mainecoons said: More a case of extremely shoddy construction. It is so bad it could only be fixed by digging up the entire road and building a new foundation under it.  They dug up (about 1/2 meter deep) the western section of it several years ago and put a gravel foundation down (which was hell to drive on) and then repaved it. That same section is the worst part right now. Also the material they sprayed on the slopes above this highway to prevent erosion is failing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 I noticed when they resurfaced parts of the Chapala to Guadalajara Careterra, they used a thick layer of hydraulic lime powder on top of the base just before the paving phase. This creates a low cost waterproof barrier. These were class a contractors. The Libramento is also in fine shape these days, same technique. Waterproofing seems to be the problem and the cure. Besides, Lime is natural, inexpensive and friendly to the environment. Water is one of the most destructive forces on Earth, but also one of most important for life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostlylost Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 The Chapala to GDL repavement started failing less than 6 months after the first section was finished. It has hundreds of repairs in less than 2 years. There are areas that have been patched 3 or 4 times. Right now there is a dangerous failure just before the libramiento sur overpass.(3rd resurface in 12 years) Areas of the Ajijic libramiento's last repavement are showing cracks already. You will see baches by October. (The 4th resurface in 10 years) If these were class a contractors ...then how bad is a non class a contractor's work? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 I was wondering how they got classified as "Class A".  And how us peons would know if they were or weren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedros Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 We are just observers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 3 hours ago, RickS said: I was wondering how they got classified as "Class A".  And how us peons would know if they were or weren't. Don´t you know?....some people know everything…..  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil in mexico Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 Went thru the joco bypass on my moto yesterday caution and reduced speed is a smart move, it has some serious rough spots ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 18 hours ago, cedros said: They dug up (about 1/2 meter deep) the western section of it several years ago and put a gravel foundation down (which was hell to drive on) and then repaved it. That same section is the worst part right now. Also the material they sprayed on the slopes above this highway to prevent erosion is failing. When you build on deep fill the foundation work has to go much deeper.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedros Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mainecoons said: When you build on deep fill the foundation work has to go much deeper.  I have no idea how deep the fill is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 A professional contractor would be using high quality, specialty equipment. That is what is what I saw, many times. Maybe, with so many taking a bite out of the contract, there wasn't much left for a quality job. Been there, seen that, lived through it - and that was Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TelsZ4 Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Mainecoons said: When you build on deep fill the foundation work has to go much deeper.  I think there is more to it than that.., I’m no expert but I think it’s an issue with water, I have driven that road when it’s been raining and there was an awful lot of water running down the face of the cliff.  I would think you need to divert the water somewhere so it’s not washing  the underlying foundation away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 Rather than blaming corruption in Mexico for substandard work, this is going on all over the world. A flood of dirty money and those who clean it up. I haven't read this new well reviewed book, but it looks interesting. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45306313-kleptopia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyjillin Posted September 7, 2020 Report Share Posted September 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Upfront said: but i am here not there Gary[randy] chillin always prefers to talk about theres' on almost every topic rather than here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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