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I'm not sure the US has a lot of room to suggest that any other country is not doing a good job fighting the virus.  The US has approx. 4.7% of the world's population and approx. 26% of confirmed Covid19 cases and 22% of deaths.  I'm sure these numbers are not exact because of the numerous ways they have been played to reflect political reality instead of actual reality.  Not just in the US either.  I'm pretty sure Mexico is playing the same games now.  In any case, it sure doesn't look like traveling anywhere is going to be a good option anytime soon.  Alan

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Since the Rio Grande Valley region in Texas is currently a pandemic hot-spot, Mexico should be blocking travel from parts of Texas.

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I am going to Chicago Monday to escort a new resident down but, I have been taking HCQ as a preventive. BTW I feel great and my sciatica is better. 

I bet this starts a fire storm. 

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32 minutes ago, vetteforron said:

I am going to Chicago Monday to escort a new resident down but, I have been taking HCQ as a preventive. BTW I feel great and my sciatica is better. 

I bet this starts a fire storm. 

No big deal. Some evidence says it works and some says it does not.  I find no evidence that it works as a preventive only as a treatment.  You are a big boy and I assume you have read the risks. I do suggest you add vitamin C. The US is the only place still down talking this simple and safe vitamin.  Ok let the others argue. If you don't mind let us know how this works out for you. I am curious. 

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13 minutes ago, lcscats said:

No big deal. Some evidence says it works and some says it does not.  I find no evidence that it works as a preventive only as a treatment.  You are a big boy and I assume you have read the risks. I do suggest you add vitamin C. The US is the only place still down talking this simple and safe vitamin.  Ok let the others argue. If you don't mind let us know how this works out for you. I am curious. 

I will take another dose Sunday. I return Tuesday. BTW thanks for a reasonable response. I do take Redoxon with zinc daily. I like the taste. 

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9 hours ago, barrbower said:

I'm not sure the US has a lot of room to suggest that any other country is not doing a good job fighting the virus.  The US has approx. 4.7% of the world's population and approx. 26% of confirmed Covid19 cases and 22% of deaths.  I'm sure these numbers are not exact because of the numerous ways they have been played to reflect political reality instead of actual reality.  Not just in the US either.  I'm pretty sure Mexico is playing the same games now.  In any case, it sure doesn't look like traveling anywhere is going to be a good option anytime soon.  Alan

It's interesting the two fattest countries in the world have such high case numbers.  

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11 minutes ago, Mainecoons said:

It's interesting the two fattest countries in the world have such high case numbers.  

It's easier to eat, drink, and talk in big groups, when you're not wearing your mask, apparently.       Yeeesh.

Wait for THIS surge in 2 weeks.....might be a few bikes needing new owners:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-draw-250000-people-south-dakota/story?id=72198988

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They might have to drop the "T" from the name of the town....feel bad for the majority of the folks who actually live there that know this is a really bad idea:   (and then heading back cross-country to spread it wherever they return to.....wow)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/250000-bikers-to-defy-common-sense-and-screw-covid-for-nine-days-at-sturgis-motorcycle-rally?ref=home

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13 hours ago, virgo lady said:

It's easier to eat, drink, and talk in big groups, when you're not wearing your mask, apparently.       Yeeesh.

Wait for THIS surge in 2 weeks.....might be a few bikes needing new owners:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-draw-250000-people-south-dakota/story?id=72198988

No te preocupes.. About 90% of the Harley Davidson motorcycles ever manufactured are still on the road today.  The other 10% were trailered someplace.  And if any of the Harley riders contracted the virus, then contact tracing would be simple, just follow the oil.

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16 hours ago, lcscats said:

No big deal. Some evidence says it works and some says it does not.  I find no evidence that it works as a preventive only as a treatment.  You are a big boy and I assume you have read the risks. I do suggest you add vitamin C. The US is the only place still down talking this simple and safe vitamin.  Ok let the others argue. If you don't mind let us know how this works out for you. I am curious. 

I haven't seen any evidence from a reputable scientific source that says HCQ is good either for prevention OR for treatment. In fact, there are a number of studies that indicate it can have negative effects, including death, on people with certain underlying conditions. As one doctor said, just because a drug is helpful with one condition doesn't mean it is effective or safe for another. As he said, aspirin is good for headaches, but he wouldn't prescribe it for someone with a bleeding disorder. The FDA, the CDC, Dr. Fauci at the NIH, and others all advise against it. But sure, go ahead and use it. I'm sure at least 5 of the 6 chambers in your six shooter you are putting to your head are empty.

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16 hours ago, Mainecoons said:

It's interesting the two fattest countries in the world have such high case numbers.  

Many of the underlying conditions which make covid-19 so deadly, like diabetes and heart disease, are closely related to obesity. An hour hanging out in the Ajijic Plaza will confirm that a very large number of expats here are high-risk. Why do you suppose they sit in close groups, maskless, chatting and laughing? They don't appear to be either ignorant nor uneducated. I guess there really is no cure for stupid.

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23 hours ago, Mainecoons said:

It's interesting the two fattest countries in the world have such high case numbers.  

While obesity is a comorbidity for those infected and seems to impact their outcomes, there doesn't seem to be link between fat countries and higher case numbers and death rates.  Look at Canada, look at Brazil on this list.  

Global Rank Country% of Adult Population That Is Obese from https://obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/

1 Nauru 61.0%

2 Cook Islands 55.9%

3 Palau 55.3%

4 Marshall Islands 52.9%

5 Tuvalu 51.6%

6 Niue 50.0%

7 Tonga 48.2%

8 Samoa 47.3%

9 Kiribati 46.0%

10 Micronesia (Federated States of) 45.8%

11 Kuwait 37.9%

12 United States of America 36.2%

13 Jordan 35.5%

14 Saudi Arabia 35.4%

15 Qatar 35.1%

16 Libya 32.5%

17 Turkey 32.1%

18 Egypt 32.0%

18 Lebanon 33.7%

20 United Arab Emirates 31.7%

21 Bahamas 31.6%

22 New Zealand 30.8%

23 Iraq 30.4%

24 Fiji 30.2%

25 Bahrain 29.8%

26 Canada 29.4%

27 Australia 29.0%

28 Malta 28.9%

28 Mexico 28.9%

30 Argentina 28.3%

30 South Africa 28.3%

32 Chile 28.0%

33 Dominica 27.9%

33 Uruguay 27.9%

33 Syrian Arab Republic 27.8%

33 United Kingdom 27.8%

37 Dominican Republic 27.6%

38 Algeria 27.4%

39 Oman 27.0%

40 Tunisia 26.9%

41 Hungary 26.4%

41 Suriname 26.4%

43 Lithuania 26.3%

44 Israel 26.1%

44 Morocco 26.1%

46 Czechia 26.0%

47 Iran (Islamic Republic of) 25.8%

48 Costa Rica 25.7%

49 Andorra 25.6%

49 Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) 25.6%

51 Ireland 25.3%

52 Vanatu 25.2%

53 Bulgaria 25.0%

54 Greece 24.9%

55 Jamaica 24.7%

56 Cuba 24.6%

56 El Salvado r24.6%

58 Belarus 24.5%

59 Croatia 24.4%

60 Belize 24.1%

61 Ukraine 24.1%

62 Spain 23.8%

63 Nicaragua 23.7%

63 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 24.1%

65 Latvia 23.6%

66 Montenegro 23.3%

67 Barbados 23.1%

67 Norway 23.1%

67 Poland 23.1%

67 Russian Federation 23.1%

71 Saint Kitts and Nevis 22.9%

72 Haiti 22.7%

72 Panama 22.7%

74 Luxembourg 22.6%

75 Romania 22.5%

75 Solomon Islands 22.5%

77 The former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia 22.4%

78 Colombia 22.3%

78 Germany 22.3%

80 Finland 22.2%

81 Belgium 22.1%

81 Brazil 22.1%

83 Iceland 21.9%

84 Cyprus 21.8%

85 Albania 21.7%

85 Georgia 21.7%

87 France 21.6%

88 Serbia 21.5%

89 Honduras 21.4%

90 Grenada 21.3%

90 Papua New Guinea 21.3%

92 Estonia 21.2%

92 Guatemala 21.2%

94 Kazakhstan 21.0%

95 Portugal 20.8%

96 Mongolia 20.6%

96 Sweden 20.6%

98 Slovakia 20.5%

99 Netherlands 20.4%

100 Paraguay 20.3%

101 Armenia 20.2%

101 Bolivia (Plurinational State of) 20.2%

101 Guyana 20.2%

101 Slovenia 20.2%

105 Austria 20.1%

106 Azerbaijan 19.9%

106 Ecuador 19.9%

106 Italy 19.9%

109 Denmark 19.7%

109 Peru 19.7%

109 Saint Lucia 19.7%

112 Switzerland 19.5%

113 Antigua and Barbuda 18.9%

113 Botswana 18.9%

113 Republic of Moldova 18.9%

116 Trinidad and Tobago 18.6%

116 Turkmenistan 18.6%

118 Bosnia and Herzegovina 17.9%

119 Namibia 17.2%

120 Yemen 17.1%

121 Kyrgyzstan 16.6%

121 Lesotho 16.6%

121 Uzbekistan 16.6%

124 Swaziland 16.5%

125 Malaysia 15.6%

126 Zimbabwe 15.5%

127 Gabon 15.0%

128 Tajikistan 14.2%

129 Brunei Darussalam 14.1%

130 Seychelles 14.0%

131 Djibouti 13.5%

132 Mauritania 12.7%

133 Sao Tome and Principe 12.4%

134 Cabo Verde 11.8%

135 Cameroon 11.4%

136 Ghana 10.9%

137 Mauritius 10.8%

138 Côte d’Ivoire 10.3%

138 Gambia 10.3%

140 Thailand 10.0%

141 Liberia 9.9%

142 Benin 9.6%

142 Congo 9.6%

144 Guinea-Bissau 9.5%

145 Nigeria 8.9%

146 Senegal 8.8%

147 Sierra Leone 8.7%

148 Maldives 8.6%

148 Mali 8.6%

148 Pakistan 8.6%

148 Sudan (former) 8.6%

152 Togo 8.4%

152 United Republic of Tanzania 8.4%

154 Somalia 8.3%

155 Angola 8.2%

156 Zambia 8.1%

157 Equatorial Guinea 8.0%

158 Comoros 7.8%

159 Guinea 7.7%

160 Central African Republic 7.5%

161 Mozambique 7.2%

162 Kenya 7.1%

163 Indonesia 6.9%

164 Democratic People’s Republic of Korea 6.8%

165 Democratic Republic of the Congo 6.7%

166 Bhutan 6.4%

166 Philippines 6.4%

168 China 6.2%

169 Chad 6.1%

169 Singapore 6.1%

171 Malawi 5.8%

171 Myanmar 5.8%

171 Rwanda 5.8%

174 Burkina Faso 5.6%

175 Afghanistan 5.5%

175 Niger 5.5%

177 Burundi 5.4%

178 Lao People’s Democratic Republic 5.3%

178 Madagascar 5.3%

178 Uganda 5.3%

181 Sri Lanka 5.2%

182 Eritrea 5.0%

183 Republic of Korea 4.7%

184 Ethiopia 4.5%

185 Japan 4.3%

186 Nepal 4.1%

187 Cambodia 3.9%

187 India 3.9%

189 Timor-Leste 3.8%

190 Bangladesh 3.6%

191 Viet Nam 2.1%

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7 hours ago, cookj5 said:

I haven't seen any evidence from a reputable scientific source that says HCQ is good either for prevention OR for treatment. In fact, there are a number of studies that indicate it can have negative effects, including death, on people with certain underlying conditions. As one doctor said, just because a drug is helpful with one condition doesn't mean it is effective or safe for another. As he said, aspirin is good for headaches, but he wouldn't prescribe it for someone with a bleeding disorder. The FDA, the CDC, Dr. Fauci at the NIH, and others all advise against it. But sure, go ahead and use it. I'm sure at least 5 of the 6 chambers in your six shooter you are putting to your head are empty.

This is from the Henry Ford clinic. Just one of many studies. 70 year old CDC approved drug. 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/02/michigan-henry-ford-health-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/

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10 minutes ago, vetteforron said:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/31/anthony-fauci-henry-ford-health-hydroxychloroquine-study-flawed/5559367002/

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"The Henry Ford Hospital study that was published was a non-controlled retrospective cohort study that was confounded by a number of issues, including the fact that many people who were receiving hydroxychloroquine were also using corticosteroids, which we know from another study gives a clear benefit in reducing deaths with advanced disease," said Fauci, the nation's leading infectious disease expert advising the White House on the coronavirus response.

"So that study is a flawed study," Fauci said after Missouri Republican U.S. Rep. Blaine Leutkemeyer asked him about the trial. 

Detroit-based Henry Ford Health System did not immediately return an email seeking comment, but the health system warned in its July 2 press release about the study that follow-up trials were needed.

Fauci's comments come roughly a month after Henry Ford Health System released a study alleging the controversial anti-malarial drug helped lower the death rate of COVID-19 patients "significantly."

 

 

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7 hours ago, cookj5 said:

I haven't seen any evidence from a reputable scientific source that says HCQ is good either for prevention OR for treatment. In fact, there are a number of studies that indicate it can have negative effects, including death, on people with certain underlying conditions. As one doctor said, just because a drug is helpful with one condition doesn't mean it is effective or safe for another. As he said, aspirin is good for headaches, but he wouldn't prescribe it for someone with a bleeding disorder. The FDA, the CDC, Dr. Fauci at the NIH, and others all advise against it. But sure, go ahead and use it. I'm sure at least 5 of the 6 chambers in your six shooter you are putting to your head are empty.

Well reputable scientific sources in Seattle told us not to wear masks.  Vitamin C is still being fought against in the US.  I have no faith but you do and thats fine.  I am not taking HCQ and I doubt if I ever would but some of the studies on HCQ kinda stink.  

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10 hours ago, Kiko said:

No te preocupes.. About 90% of the Harley Davidson motorcycles ever manufactured are still on the road today.  The other 10% were trailered someplace.  And if any of the Harley riders contracted the virus, then contact tracing would be simple, just follow the oil.

That’s  not an oil leak, just marking its territory 

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2 minutes ago, vetteforron said:

I plan on another dose Sunday then for 3 days. when I get back. I have given my guardian angel my password to report back. 

If you don't become infected (and we all hope you don't!), please don't attribute that to taking hydroxychloroquine.  You could just as well attribute not getting the virus to wearing a lucky shirt or carrying a 4 leaf clover or drinking double shots of tequila on your flights.  

Buen viaje!

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On 8/6/2020 at 10:36 PM, virgo lady said:

It's one thing to tell the public it is OK to travel.....another thing if it is smart to travel....and yet another, where certain citizens currently can or cannot go to.    All need to be considered.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/08/06/us-state-department-lifts-do-not-travel-international-advisory/3310952001/

And this supports the idea of not moving widely about, in general, at this time:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/health/us-coronavirus-saturday/index.html

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