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As businesses all over the world are contemplating or actually reopening during an ongoing viral pandemic, many people have let down their guards hoping it is all over with, and imagining we can all just get back to normal.  Some have stupidly played down the severity of the CV virus.  Here is a bit of the latest info on CV.  We are all in uncharted territory with this disease, and the highest cautions must be observed until the overall situation is actually safe, not safe only in your dreams.

Kudos to Gov. Alfaro of Jalisco and Moy Anaya of Chapala for implementing strict precautions and blockades to help keep our area safe.  

Doctors keep discovering new ways the virus attacks the body. 

“Often it attacks the lungs, but it can also strike anywhere from the brain to the toes. Many doctors are focused on treating the inflammatory reactions it triggers and its capacity to cause blood clots, even as they struggle to help patients breathe,” Lenny Bernstein and Ariana Eunjung Cha report. “More than four months of clinical experience across Asia, Europe and North America has shown the pathogen does much more than invade the lungs. ‘No one was expecting a disease that would not fit the pattern of pneumonia and respiratory illness,’ said David Reich, a cardiac anesthesiologist and president of Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City. It attacks the heart, weakening its muscles and disrupting its critical rhythm. It savages kidneys so badly some hospitals have run short of dialysis equipment. It crawls along the nervous system, destroying taste and smell and occasionally reaching the brain. It creates blood clots that can kill with sudden efficiency and inflames blood vessels throughout the body. … 

“Many scientists have come to believe that much of the disease’s devastation comes from two intertwined causes. The first is the harm the virus wreaks on blood vessels, leading to clots that can range from microscopic to sizable. Patients have suffered strokes and pulmonary emboli as clots break loose and travel to the brain and lungs. … The second is an exaggerated response from the body’s own immune system, a storm of killer ‘cytokines’ that attack the body’s own cells along with the virus as it seeks to defend the body from an invader. … Inflammation of those endothelial cells lining blood vessels may help explain why the virus harms so many parts of the body, said Mandeep Mehra, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School … That means defeating covid-19 will require more than antiviral therapy, he said. ‘What this virus does is it starts as a viral infection and becomes a more global disturbance to the immune system and blood vessels — and what kills is exactly that,’ Mehra said. ‘Our hypothesis is that covid-19 begins as a respiratory virus and kills as a cardiovascular virus.’” 

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That's a pretty extreme case I think.  That doesn't change the fact overall death rates are not that high.  Also doesn't change the fact almost all the young and healthy survive.  This is mainly a killer of older people.

Yes, your source cites complications in a few children that might be due to the virus.  They haven't confirmed that yet according to your source.

I wonder how many will die from this?

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-could-leave-up-to-10-million-more-in-poverty/

We are in a Catch 22 situation.  The U.N. among others is saying that hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, will die from the poverty caused by the government reaction to this situation.   Here in Mexico, how many of those ten million will die from poverty?  Poverty BTW is more likely to kill the young, the future, versus this disease which mainly kills the old, the past. 

What is the better outcome?

 

 

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2 hours ago, ezpz said:

As businesses all over the world are contemplating or actually reopening during an ongoing viral pandemic, many people have let down their guards hoping it is all over with, and imagining we can all just get back to normal.  Some have stupidly played down the severity of the CV virus.  Here is a bit of the latest info on CV.  We are all in uncharted territory with this disease, and the highest cautions must be observed until the overall situation is actually safe, not safe only in your dreams.

Kudos to Gov. Alfaro of Jalisco and Moy Anaya of Chapala for implementing strict precautions and blockades to help keep our area safe.  

Doctors keep discovering new ways the virus attacks the body. 

“Often it attacks the lungs, but it can also strike anywhere from the brain to the toes. Many doctors are focused on treating the inflammatory reactions it triggers and its capacity to cause blood clots, even as they struggle to help patients breathe,” Lenny Bernstein and Ariana Eunjung Cha report. “More than four months of clinical experience across Asia, Europe and North America has shown the pathogen does much more than invade the lungs. ‘No one was expecting a disease that would not fit the pattern of pneumonia and respiratory illness,’ said David Reich, a cardiac anesthesiologist and president of Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City. It attacks the heart, weakening its muscles and disrupting its critical rhythm. It savages kidneys so badly some hospitals have run short of dialysis equipment. It crawls along the nervous system, destroying taste and smell and occasionally reaching the brain. It creates blood clots that can kill with sudden efficiency and inflames blood vessels throughout the body. … 

“Many scientists have come to believe that much of the disease’s devastation comes from two intertwined causes. The first is the harm the virus wreaks on blood vessels, leading to clots that can range from microscopic to sizable. Patients have suffered strokes and pulmonary emboli as clots break loose and travel to the brain and lungs. … The second is an exaggerated response from the body’s own immune system, a storm of killer ‘cytokines’ that attack the body’s own cells along with the virus as it seeks to defend the body from an invader. … Inflammation of those endothelial cells lining blood vessels may help explain why the virus harms so many parts of the body, said Mandeep Mehra, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School … That means defeating covid-19 will require more than antiviral therapy, he said. ‘What this virus does is it starts as a viral infection and becomes a more global disturbance to the immune system and blood vessels — and what kills is exactly that,’ Mehra said. ‘Our hypothesis is that covid-19 begins as a respiratory virus and kills as a cardiovascular virus.’” 

Sounds like you have done your homework 📚!  Thank you for the enlightened post.

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Except there's something missing.  Like how many cases get this bad (percentage of total) and what are the demographics of that case group?

Incomplete.  :D 

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1 hour ago, Mainecoons said:

Except there's something missing.  Like how many cases get this bad (percentage of total) and what are the demographics of that case group?

Incomplete.  :D 

MC, this info is brand new, it hasn't been diced or sliced yet.  Take it for what it is worth.  It is straight from the doctors on the scene.

OK, here is some specific Mexico News for perspective - at least on how the state government is handling it.  Look at the MX map in the article, which gives state total deaths for MX.  Note that Jalisco now has ONLY 52 deaths, very close to the totals for Yucatan, Guanajuato, and Oaxaca, states I dearly love.  But Jalisco, with 2 major metropolitan areas has a far larger population!  So, we are doing very well here, TX to Gob. Alfaro and Moy.  Stricter measures do work!  Quintana Roo, with one major metro area - Cancun - has triple the death rate of Jalisco with Puerto Vallarta not to mention GDL.

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/flu-season-could-bring-new-challenge/

 

 

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Yes EZ, but did it just delay the inevitable?  Come May 17 it is still here.  Come June 1 it is still here.  Come next Fall it is still here.  How long do you think people can be locked up and not allowed to work?  How many of the ten million being forced into poverty in Mexico will die? 

Is protecting the few at the expense of the many a viable long term strategy?

Good piece on Mexico's vulnerability to this disease and why here.  

https://www.vallartadaily.com/coronavirus-in-mexico-made-worse-by-trio-of-health-risk-factors/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+VallartaDaily+(Headline+News+from+Puerto+Vallarta)

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The spread of the new coronavirus is taking a deadly toll on Mexico due to the widespread presence of a trio of pre-existing medical conditions that put Mexicans at higher risk.

To date, seven in 10 deaths attributed to the highly contagious respiratory disease caused by the virus have been linked to patients diagnosed with diabetes, hypertension or obesity, according to government data.

Mexicans are more vulnerable due to “the epidemic of chronic disease induced by poor nutrition and the excessive supply of unhealthy industrialized food,” said Hugo Lopez-Gatell, the deputy health minister in charge of the country’s coronavirus response.

Despite a growing daily tally of new infections, President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has said he wants to re-start a badly slumping economy that has seen key industries like auto production and tourism shut down, and is set to present a plan to gradually reopen businesses later this week.

As of Sunday, officials confirmed that total infections had risen to 35,022 and the number of deaths to more than 3,465 due to the outbreak, although both figures almost certainly undercount the real numbers due to little testing.

More than 10% of Mexicans over the age of 20, or more than 8 million people, are diabetic, according to 2018 government data.

Hypertension, or high blood pressure, is more prevalent with around 18% of the over-20-year-old population affected, or some 15 million Mexicans.

 

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And as we watch the giant trucks carrying Coke making their rounds daily, do we wonder about the high rate of diabetes and obesity?  Not if we have half a brain.

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Sadly there is only so much that can be done to save people from themselves.  Then the rest is up to nature.

 

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Reading the death stats published daily regarding Jalisco. Almost every one has at least 2 or 3 underlying problems. The majority have diabetes, obesity and hypertension. .  

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I'm surely not a conspiracy theorist but believing reporting statistics from almost anyone anywhere is probably bad medicine these days. I know.... it's 'all we got', but.  

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Also a good read here:  

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/05/11/coronavirus-expert-michael-osterholm-warns-virus-spread-far-from-over/3108333001/

 

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Osterholm said only an effective vaccine can slow the virus before a large enough segment of the population becomes infected and develops some level of immunity. Even if a vaccine works, Osterholm said, it's unknown whether it would be durable enough to confer long-lasting protection from SARS CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. 

Most states are easing stay-at-home orders though patchwork measures that vary from one to the next. Georgia began opening in late April amid national criticism, allowing tattoo parlors, bowling alleys and hair and nail salons to reopen with restrictions. California has taken a slower, phased approach, allowing some retailers and manufacturers considered low-risk to resume operations. 

Governors worry about the economic harm social distancing measures have caused with shuttered businesses and the growing ranks of jobless Americans. Unemployment has reached 15% nationwide, and a Trump administration economic adviser warned unemployment could soon reach 20%. 

Osterholm acknowledges that the nation "can't lock down for 18 months" and said political and business leaders need to find a way to resume activities while adapting to a virus that won't soon disappear. He doesn't believe there has been enough of a frank assessment on the economic harm the virus will cause over coming months and its disruption to international supply chains. 

"We all have to confront the fact there’s not a magic bullet, short of a vaccine, that’s going to make this go away," he said.  "We’re going to be living with it. And we’re not having that discussion at all."

 

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47 minutes ago, Ida Slapter said:

It is my plan to be a part of the few.

I'm with Ida. By the way, isn't this ...sort of...you know,  political?

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52 minutes ago, Ida Slapter said:

It is my plan to be a part of the few.

Me too, by my own actions and responsibilities, not by beggaring the many.

How about you two?

 

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Government of Chapala reports "As of May 6, 2020, official data showed that the municipality of Chapala has registered no positive cases of Covid-19, while 16 suspected cases tested negative and there were six suspected cases whose results have not yet been reported". 

Laguna,  the local Chapala newspaper as of today has no reports.  

El Informador says Jalisco reports as of yesterday no cases in Chapala

The Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico as of last night no cases in Chapala

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f0f10e692a814fd8aa8afc7f8575f5d2

A private facebook group has the correct info WOW ... Isn't social media wonderful...  If it's true make it public with verifiable reliable sources.  

 

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1 hour ago, Mainecoons said:

Me too, by my own actions and responsibilities, not by beggaring the many.

How about you two?

I can't speak for Ida but I am being responsible by my own lights - to say more would be political.

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2 hours ago, Mostlylost said:

Government of Chapala reports "As of May 6, 2020, official data showed that the municipality of Chapala has registered no positive cases of Covid-19, while 16 suspected cases tested negative and there were six suspected cases whose results have not yet been reported". 

Laguna,  the local Chapala newspaper as of today has no reports.  

El Informador says Jalisco reports as of yesterday no cases in Chapala

The Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico as of last night no cases in Chapala

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f0f10e692a814fd8aa8afc7f8575f5d2

A private facebook group has the correct info WOW ... Isn't social media wonderful...  If it's true make it public with verifiable reliable sources.  

 

Physician reports Covid-19 cases in Chapala

Although official records show no confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the municipality of Chapala, a well-respected local doctor begs to differ, citing personal experience as both attending physician and patient of the disease.
Dr. Lupita Cevallos, a general practitioner who has lived and worked at lakeside for the past 11 years, tells the Guadalajara Reporter that she had contact with a patient showing severe symptoms of SARS-Cov-2 infection on April 14. The person was airlifted to a Texas hospital where the diagnosis was confirmed 72 hours later, she says.
Understanding the risks, Cevallos immediately put herself into self-isolation. She began feeling Covid-19 symptoms 10 days later. She says she has been tested for the disease twice since then.
An oral PCR test applied at the Jocotepec Community Hospital on April 25 came back negative. A nasopharyngeal PCR test practiced three days later at an authorized private laboratory in Guadalajara was also negative, but Cevallos says a blood serum test for IgG antibodies suggested that she had been exposed to the disease and is not currently infectious.
After recovering from her symptoms and regaining her strength, the doctor returned to work at her Integrity health clinic in Ajijic on Monday, May 11. She reports that her Covid-19 patient remains in intensive care in Texas. Through contact tracing she has determined that none of her other patients have contracted the disease.
“People need to know that they can have the disease and still be negative in the tests. It is definitely happening in the area,” she concludes.
(This is a summary of an extensive article to be published in the next edition of The Reporter.)

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There is reason to believe (The Dra above was counted as a Guadalajara number),

If we were to be laying in Guadalajara, sick as hell from this... It would show as a Guadalajara (not Chapala) number!

Long live Chapala 0 count!

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2 hours ago, MexLuis said:

There is reason to believe (The Dra above was counted as a Guadalajara number),

If we were to be laying in Guadalajara, sick as hell from this... It would show as a Guadalajara (not Chapala) number!

Long live Chapala 0 count!

At the end of the day she admits that she never tested positive!!!

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3 hours ago, gringohombre said:

At the end of the day she admits that she never tested positive!!!

 

You do not have antibodies for Covid-19 if you have not had the virus.  She spoke of her symptoms, and long treatment in detail.  Straight from her on her Facebook posts, and now in the Guad resporter. Believe what you want, but you must understand, Covid is here and spreading. The following (according to the Guad reporter, is the short version of what they plan to publish in the next edition. 

I am not here to convince you, for this is already beginning to sound like a ship of fools in listening to those who claim this is not present lakeside. Even when a reputable Doctor states what she went through, and that she had a Covid patient that was airlifted out to Texas.

It appears, if a person from Chapala/Ajjic, seeks help for testing or treatment, the numbers for Chapala will not reflect that person's test results or outcome.

Look at the Guad Reporter article:

Guadalajara Reporter Physician reports Covid-19 cases in Chapala Although official records show no confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the municipality of Chapala, a well-respected local doctor begs to differ, citing personal experience as both attending physician and patient of the disease. Dr. Lupita Cevallos, a general practitioner who has lived and worked at lakeside for the past 11 years, tells the Guadalajara Reporter that she had contact with a patient showing severe symptoms of SARS-Cov-2 infection on April 14. The person was airlifted to a Texas hospital where the diagnosis was confirmed 72 hours later, she says. Understanding the risks, Cevallos immediately put herself into self-isolation. She began feeling Covid-19 symptoms 10 days later. She says she has been tested for the disease twice since then. An oral PCR test applied at the Jocotepec Community Hospital on April 25 came back negative. A nasopharyngeal PCR test practiced three days later at an authorized private laboratory in Guadalajara was also negative, but Cevallos says a blood serum test for IgG antibodies suggested that she had been exposed to the disease and is not currently infectious. After recovering from her symptoms and regaining her strength, the doctor returned to work at her Integrity health clinic in Ajijic on Monday, May 11. She reports that her Covid-19 patient remains in intensive care in Texas. Through contact tracing she has determined that none of her other patients have contracted the disease. “People need to know that they can have the disease and still be negative in the tests. It is definitely happening in the area,” she concludes. (This is a summary of an extensive article to be published in the next edition of The Reporter.)

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I admit that I am confused by Dra Lupita testing results. If the results were negative how can she be a carrier ? Not sure what a IgG antibodies test is, but just from the back of my head does your immune system not produce some type of fight when in contact with any kind of disease ?

Or am I missing the point of this article and should be reading yes there is at least one Covid-19 case confirmed in the lakeside area. (the Texan)

 

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If the facts are all correct I will not judge..

What I do see is possibly very alarming behavior by the Dra. based on the information in the story. And leaves many questions unanswered.

A patient showing severe symptoms of SARS-Cov-2 infection on April 14 was evacuated to Texas.   Not tested in Mexico? Not reported to authorities? Were his contacts called?

Being concerned she went into self isolation for 10 days and waited until April 25 to be tested  Tested Negative in Joco. (very quick recovery only 11 days after initial exposure?)

Wouldn't it have been more logical to get tested right away  (and not wait a week) after being told her patient had tested positive in Texas??

Second test 3 days later in GDL negative (only 2 weeks after initial exposure total recovery a second negative test?)  

Then blood serum test " suggested that she had been exposed" 

The the Dra states “People need to know that they can have the disease and still be negative in the tests."  Based on the information in the story she did not test negative while having the disease, because her blood serum test said  "is not currently infectious" 

 

 

 

 

 

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