ea93105 Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 I see signs for both and when I entered my postal code of 45906 on Costco's website it came up as Fracc. Riveras del Pilar, San Antonio Tlayacapan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedros Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 Either is fine both mean banks (or edge) according to Google and Bing translate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerGuy Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 The word is ribera, and it means (loosely) riverside. Use of the "v" here is a Mexican colloquialism or a misunderstanding based on the languages use of "b" and "v" ( as in "b vaca" and "b baby"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 Yup. It's spelled Riberas del Pilar. How it's pronounced is what leads, many times, to confusion since the sound B is often substituted for letter V. As in la Lluvia pronounded as la LluBia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EldonNova Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 Anyone who has lived here any length of time will know that Mexicans pronounce the letter "v" as we Americans/Canadians/English speaking people pronounce the letter "b". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostlylost Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 As far as I know there is no such word as rivera in the Spanish language There is a proper name Rivera as in Jenny Rivera Many common mistakes in spelling here because if you're a native Spanish speaker some letters are pronounced the same in words. Sometimes Z and S are interchanged ie: carne azada I and Y because both are pronounced eee B and V both pronounced the same. When someone spells out loud Birch ST. they would say b grande or b bebe so you know it's the first b sound in the alphabet Many Spanish speakers will spell out v as "v chico" but the correct spelling is pronounced uve Good example is the bank BBVA it is pronounced BBuVA bay bay ooo bay ah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dichosalocura Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 I learned it in Venezuela, many years ago, as "v" de vaca and "b" de burro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, dichosalocura said: I learned it in Venezuela, many years ago, as "v" de vaca and "b" de burro. That's how I clarify it to Spanish speakers here. It's just more fun than "b grande", etc. Now, it's hot. Someone pass me a cerbeza. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ea93105 Posted April 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 2 hours ago, EldonNova said: Anyone who has lived here any length of time will know that Mexicans pronounce the letter "v" as we Americans/Canadians/English speaking people pronounce the letter "b". It was the official correct spelling I was curious about, well aware of the B and V sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdlngton Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 14 hours ago, ComputerGuy said: The word is ribera, and it means (loosely) riverside. Use of the "v" here is a Mexican colloquialism or a misunderstanding based on the languages use of "b" and "v" ( as in "b vaca" and "b baby"). No, there are two different words: ribera and rivera. Ribera is the correct word for here as it means shoreline or bank. Rivera is a brook or stream. They are pronounced the same thus the confusion in spelling. This is la Ribera de Chapala--the Shoreline of Chapala. The area between Chapala and San Antonio is Riberas del Pilar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdlngton Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 5 hours ago, dichosalocura said: I learned it in Venezuela, many years ago, as "v" de vaca and "b" de burro. La Academia Real, which is the official body that decides what is correct in Spanish, officially changed the name of the V to uve. So, technically, the name of the B is be (pronounced bay) and the name of the V is uve (pronounced oobay.) Of course people still say b de burro, v de vaca; or b grande, v chica; or b larga, v corta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdlngton Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 15 hours ago, ea93105 said: I see signs for both and when I entered my postal code of 45906 on Costco's website it came up as Fracc. Riveras del Pilar, San Antonio Tlayacapan. Riberas del Pilar is actually part of San Antonio Tlayacapán. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdlngton Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Interesting article about the changes made by La Academia Real: https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/26/world/europe/26spanish.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 53 minutes ago, bdlngton said: Riberas del Pilar is actually part of San Antonio Tlayacapán. NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Mostlylost said: I and Y because both are pronounced eee No, y in spanish is most often pronounced like y in the English word, year. Infrequently, it will be pronounced like the Spanish i latina. i griega in Spanish has the same sound as the Spanish ll or eye (a yay) as in calle (street) or cayo (he fell). El cayó en la calle. In apodos you will get the e sound like with Tony (Toni) or Lety (Leti) or between two consonants i......i latina y......i griega ll = y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdlngton Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 57 minutes ago, slainte39 said: NO! Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdlngton Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 24 minutes ago, slainte39 said: No, y in spanish is most often pronounced like y in the English word, year. Infrequently, it will be pronounced like the Spanish i latina. i griega in Spanish has the same sound as the Spanish ll or eye (a yay) as in calle (street) or cayo (he fell). El cayó en la calle. In apodos you will get the e sound like with Tony (Toni) or Lety (Leti) or between two consonants i......i latina y......i griega ll = y At the end of a word or all alone the Y sounds like the I -- muy, y. Everywhere else it makes the same sound as the double l. Officially the name of the Y is now "ye." Also LL is no longer a separate letter. neither is the CH. The only letter in the Spanish alphabet that does not exist in the English alphabet is the ñ. K and W do not exist in any true Spanish words, only in foreign words. There are indigenous languages that use the K and/or W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 57 minutes ago, bdlngton said: Yes! Anyone else have an opinion? I will ask the delegado in SAT when this area became his responsibility ? Could be??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 38 minutes ago, bdlngton said: At the end of a word or all alone the Y sounds like the I -- muy, y. Everywhere else it makes the same sound as the double l. Officially the name of the Y is now "ye." Also LL is no longer a separate letter. neither is the CH. The only letter in the Spanish alphabet that does not exist in the English alphabet is the ñ. K and W do not exist in any true Spanish words, only in foreign words. There are indigenous languages that use the K and/or W. That is true about the LL is no longer a letter, but the pronunciation hasn´t changed so just the letter count. As far as K, only in the metric system, with the exception of those muchachos named Enrique. Difficult to teach them Quico instead of Kiko. I would love to see "oñon be used in English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdlngton Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, slainte39 said: Anyone else have an opinion? I will ask the delegado in SAT when this area became his responsibility ? Could be??? https://www.google.com.mx/maps/place/San+Antonio+Tlayacapan,+Jalisco/@20.2974516,-103.2346076,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x842f412da5a292bb:0x84efa865e3eb3e48?gl=mx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 10 hours ago, slainte39 said: Anyone else have an opinion? I will ask the delegado in SAT when this area became his responsibility ? Could be??? I certainly don't consider Riberas del Pilar to be "part of San Antonio". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xena Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 38 minutes ago, Travis said: I certainly don't consider Riberas del Pilar to be "part of San Antonio". As I understand it, Riberas Del Pilar began as a frac. It was never a village or town. It didn’t work out that way. So, most of us just think of it as a separate entity. But, had it evolved as planned it would have been a frac in Riberas. That is likely what Travis is referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdlngton Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 9 hours ago, Travis said: I certainly don't consider Riberas del Pilar to be "part of San Antonio". I didn't either (and I live in Riberas) until recently. I always thought of it as part of Chapala. But government-wise it is part of San Antonio. If you click on the link I included above you will see on the map that Riberas is included in San Antonio. Residents in Riberas pay water at SIMAPA in San Antonio, not Chapala. Mexican citizens go to San Antonio to vote, not Chapala. If there is a delegado for San Antonio he would represent Riberas also. Is there a San Antonio delegado to the municipio? I've never been aware of one. Riberas is kind of the poor step sister. However there is lots of building going on in Riberas as there is lots of empty land here so Riberas is booming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Of course there is a delegado in SAT, always has been. Office is on the northwest corner of the plaza. There are 6 delegaciones in the Municipio of Chapala. Coming from the west, the first is Ajijic. then SAT, then Chapala, and the other 3 are east of Chapala (the delegación, not municipio). Simapa is not the local government, it´s the water distribution. Voting locations are a federal responsibility, nothing to do with local governments. Google maps are not necessarily the absolute authority on anything, especially in this case, and they certainly don´t over ride the local government structure. Does your recibo de predial say San Antonio Tlayacapan or Chapala? I´m almost willing to bet money that Riberas del Pilar is in the Chapala Delegación and not SAT, and I don´t gamble. I have lived in SAT for 40 years and have known all the delegados in that time and never once did they mention that Riberas was part of their responsibility. Now Chula Vista and the fracs. along the west end of the Libramiento are a different matter, they are part of the SAT delegación. You need more proof than a Google map to convince me....show me your Riberas escritura or predial recibo stating SAT. I have to go to Jocotepec to renew my INE card, does that make SAT delegación part of Jocotepec? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 14 hours ago, Mostlylost said: Riberas is and always was part of Chapala. I know the family that urbanized it from agricultural land. So did/do I, what´s left of them , and……….. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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