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Two people in Nigeria just dies from taking chloroquine in the belief that it would protect them from COVID19 and more people in other places are being hospitalized for the same thing. You'd have to be mentally deficient to self-medicate on the basis of what the POTUS says, wich right away was proven as false. It has not been approved by the FDA.

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Yes, this drug can be dangerous if too much is taken. That is why there is a delay of its use in USA. Scientists are working in determining correct dosage.

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It is being used at Lenox Hill Hospital in NYC among others. The Doctors are concerned that they are running out. It is an FDA approved drug just not for the virus, Yet. 

The medical profession is OK to use this even though not approved. I saw this on a news broadcast with the big guy from LH. He also stated that it is being used all over the US already. 

Time will tell, oh btw, it is only being given to the extremely sick at the moment.

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11 hours ago, ladner said:

I really really hope that when you find you don't need it for the coronavirus, you will give it to someone who has rheumatoid or spondyloarthritis  who requires plaquenil (hydroxycloroquine) to live comfortably and hasn't been able to buy it recently.

As with all meds in my facility none goes to waste. Sara always knows people in Jocotepec in need. 

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Well at least for the French study the dosage was 600 mg per day for six days.  The antibiotic dose was 250 mg per day.  That's a pretty strong hit.

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18 hours ago, mudgirl said:

Two people in Nigeria just dies from taking chloroquine in the belief that it would protect them from COVID19 and more people in other places are being hospitalized for the same thing. You'd have to be mentally deficient to self-medicate on the basis of what the POTUS says, wich right away was proven as false. It has not been approved by the FDA.

Yep.  It's worth noting that some of these malaria drugs can be so risky that they have only been given to people who are already dying, mostly in other very poor countries.  The side effects can kill you.  

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3 minutes ago, Kiko said:

Look on the bright side, Mississippi finally elected a governor who can read.

 

Congratulations!  You win the POST OF THE DAY award.

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On 3/21/2020 at 8:11 PM, mudgirl said:

Two people in Nigeria just dies from taking chloroquine in the belief that it would protect them from COVID19 and more people in other places are being hospitalized for the same thing. You'd have to be mentally deficient to self-medicate on the basis of what the POTUS says, wich right away was proven as false. It has not been approved by the FDA.

The POTUS is being guided by medical professionals and the treatment supplies are in the hands of same.  They are the ones evaluating the data from clinical trials and other success stories that most definitely have not been proven false.  If some people decide to self medicate based on no or insufficient medication no one has advised them to do so, least of all the POTUS who is just trying to infuse some hope and optimism into a very grim situation.  You'd have to be mentally deficient to self medicate for this thing, period.

The drugs are both FDA approved for existing uses.  In view of promising results, FDA is very actively involved in widespread study and testing on an expedited basis.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-continues-facilitate-development-treatments

This constant gratuitous bashing based on putting words in people's mouths and making up stuff is getting very old.  Please knock it off.  The last thing we need is fake news and political backbiting. 

If existing drugs can save lives, that puts the world ahead of the game.  Obviously the scientific community agrees.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/who-launches-global-megatrial-four-most-promising-coronavirus-treatments

The two drug combo that did so well in the peer reviewed French study are both well established and understood medications.  As others try it similar results are being reported.  The drugs either work or they don't and the results are known quickly, in a week or less.

Hence it is not necessary to do the usual toxicity work but instead the focus is on determining dosage and duration and evaluating patient response, which seems to come very quickly.  If in fact these or other existing medications can prevent deaths that alone could make a huge difference in bringing both the disease and the panic under control.  

 

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On 3/21/2020 at 8:11 PM, mudgirl said:

Two people in Nigeria just dies from taking chloroquine in the belief that it would protect them from COVID19 and more people in other places are being hospitalized for the same thing. You'd have to be mentally deficient to self-medicate on the basis of what the POTUS says, wich right away was proven as false. It has not been approved by the FDA.

 

Yes, in Nigeria, health authorities are warning against self-medicating, after two patients overdosed on the anti-malaria drug chloroquine, which has been falsly¬†has praised as a possible treatment for coronavirus. Tests are currently being carried out with anti-malarials in the U.S. and other countries, but the¬†FDA¬†and the¬†WHO¬†have not approved its use as a treatment for¬†COVID-19. Back in the U.S., lupus patients have reported shortages of the drug hydroxychloroquine ‚ÄĒ which is used to treat both malaria and lupus ‚ÄĒ following false¬†recent statements.

And following those statements, which conflicted what the facts really are (nothing confirmed/trials must be completed), Gupta was stunned by that info, for it conflicts with what Fauci is stating.   False claims about possible treatments for the coronavirus, as expert Dr. Anthony Fauci attempted  to tamp down optimism about the treatments at a press conference, messes with so many peoples minds, and makes them buy up items that could be dangerous, in a panic.

 

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No, not falsely praised.  Preliminary but there have been positive results.  Maybe too much enthusiasm too early.  Doctors have been given wide latitude to use these drugs.  This is not untypical when there is a paucity of specific and approved treatments in the face of a medical emergency.  And yes this is a medical emergency.

https://www.livescience.com/chloroquine-coronavirus-treatment.html

From three days ago.  We can expect a lot more to come on this topic.

Here BTW is the actual French study, translated.

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

It discusses work from the Chinese that achieved similar results.

 

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This article is from Medscape. You must register to read the whole thing but it is a very good read and the comments (all from Health Professionals) are well worth reading (all198 of them)

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927033#vp_1

I hope, really hope, that this is the possible answer. But, please, only under a Doctor's care because there are certain health conditions and medications that interfere. NO self medicating!

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Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine phosphate to treat coronaviru

A man died in Phoenix after self-medicating with chloroquine phosphate to treat covid-19, Banner Health announced in a statement Monday.

The man’s wife, who also self-medicated with chloroquine phosphate, is in critical care, according to Banner Health. The man was in his 60s, as is his wife. Banner Health did not identify either of them by name.

This came just two days after President Trump suggested, in a tweet, that a mix of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin could be an effective treatment for covid-19. Neither drug had been approved by the Food and Drug Administration or World Health Organization as a treatment for the coronavirus, and has not been in the time since.

‚ÄúGiven the uncertainty around COVID-19, we understand that people are trying to find new ways to prevent or treat this virus, but self-medicating is not the way to do so,‚ÄĚ Daniel Brooks, medical director of Banner Health‚Äôs Poison and Drug Information Center, said in the statement.

‚ÄúThe last thing that we want right now is to inundate our emergency departments with patients who believe they found a vague and risky solution that could potentially jeopardize their health.‚ÄĚ

Banner Health urged that chloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria, ‚Äúshould not be ingested to treat or prevent‚ÄĚ the virus.

On Saturday, after Trump endorsed hydroxychloroquine on Twitter, Nigeria reported two cases of chloroquine poisoning. That led Nigerian health officials to issue a warning against using the drug to treat the coronavirus, which was echoed by Banner Health after a related death.

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Yesterday Farmacia Maskaras had 40 boxes. Today none. What are the people to do who need it to stay comfortable with lupus or a nasty arthritis? Price is now up from 264 to 860 per box. Generic no longer available, and who knows if orders from the farmacias will be filled.

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7 minutes ago, ladner said:

Yesterday Farmacia Maskaras had 40 boxes. Today none. What are the people to do who need it to stay comfortable with lupus or a nasty arthritis? Price is now up from 264 to 860 per box. Generic no longer available, and who knows if orders from the farmacias will be filled.

Hitting the nail right on the head!

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Chloroquine phosphate is the more dangerous form of the drug.   The French study used hydroxychloroquine.

 

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We can always go tit for tat on this. Would a person Person prefer to die from the Chinese Wuhan corona virus or take a 70 year old drug which could give you a chance. 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florida-man-with-coronavirus-says-drug-touted-by-trump-saved-his-life/

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Not a hard call for me.  In a very short time thanks to the U.S. government shipping a huge quantity of the twin drugs and New York rapidly ramping up a large scale trial we are going to know whether this works or not.  

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4 hours ago, Mainecoons said:

Chloroquine phosphate is the more dangerous form of the drug.   The French study used hydroxychloroquine.

 

 

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Well, the man from Arizona who died ingested chloroquine which was supposed to go into his KOI POND, not his mouth. That would be like me ingesting a glass of chlorine bleach straight, instead of a droplet in a pint of drinking water.

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