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Hud  I am living my life and it is safer in Mexico where I am now than in the US . We are building a kiln in an indigenous village and basically have zero contact with the outside.. So worried for myself I am not..but it is going to hit here eventually and with the crowding in markets , public transportation, houses etc.. and the poor health some people have double with the lack of hospitals and resources , it could get pretty bad. Hopefully it will be over before it happens..  

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They have not even begun to do widespread testing in Mexico.   Look at what that delay does to a country like USA.   Then think of the large extended families here, and the level of social interaction.  Infection disease specialists believe that this will be worse in Mexico, as people will not have the means or family structure that will enable them to limit social interaction.

By the way I have heard of at least one person in the area, whom has tried to get testing for what he said is definitely not the flu.  He was very social.  A member of the LCS.  His friend said they are worried and the best he can get for this respiratory illness is it must be flu? Told: testing is not available for CV. 

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New brand of toilet paper now available.  Get some if needed!  

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Against my better judgement, I went to GDL Farmacia in Ajijic around 9:30 this morning.  I needed to refill an RX.  Just curious, so while there, I walked around the entire store, absolutely no hand sanitizer anywhere.  (Not a problem for us as we will use, and have always used, alcohol in an oil base mixed and put in a spray bottle.) 

When I was paying at the farmacia cashier, I asked, in Spanish, if they had any alcohol swabs that come in individual packets to be used when you give or get an injection to clean the area.  Nada!. 

 

I went to SuperLake, same thing, no hand sanitizer but, lots of bottles of alcohol placed in strategic locations.   They were completely out of Kirkland toilet paper also. 

 

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I heard through a doctor that there might be a place in GDL to get a test for CV. Rumored to be 5000 pesos. I will try to get more info 

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3 hours ago, Mainecoons said:

New brand of toilet paper now available.  Get some if needed!  

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I know that you are a moderator here, and have some power, but please rethink your continuous sarcasm and macho behaviour.  It is utterly childish.

  As a European, I follow VERY closely the unfolding drama in Italy ( where I have friends/direct witnesses in Florence ) and other European countries.

Panic no,.... but the non stop jokes about this ...are not even funny anymore and out of place.  One bad joke yes, but ...

  If you still believe that this is not serious and will not hit people here ( especially the poor, who will not have access to good or any healthcare ), you will be in for a big surprise soon.

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I am also posting funnies Rony. It's called comic relief for a reason. I take the coronavirus seriously but honestly, we need to laugh. It's better for us than crying and I've gone through a lot of crap in my life by seeing the humorous side of things.

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12 minutes ago, Ferret said:

I am also posting funnies Rony. It's called comic relief for a reason. I take the coronavirus seriously but honestly, we need to laugh. It's better for us than crying and I've gone through a lot of crap in my life by seeing the humorous side of things.

I agree.  But let us also keep some balance here.  Too much gets really boring and takes away the opportunity  for others to discuss this a little more seriously.  Does every serious comment have to be downplayed...   I doubt that a lot of Italian families are joking right now.  

We didnt always joke this much about other ugly world events that hit other people in the world, did we...

Not everybody has to become a comedian about this

Rony

 

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If you haven't seen the video of home quarantined Italians singing opera to their neighbours, you should. Singing in the face of darkness and uncertainty. It's heart breaking and a good lesson in how to survive.

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The Governor just closed all schools in Jalisco effective immediately. 

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13 minutes ago, Rony said:

I agree.  But let us also keep some balance here.  Too much gets really boring and takes away the opportunity  for others to discuss this a little more seriously.  Does every serious comment have to be downplayed...   I doubt that a lot of Italian families are joking right now.  

We didnt always joke this much about other ugly world events that hit other people in the world, did we...

Not everybody has to become a comedian about this

Rony

 

Posting "jokes" which mock the seriousness of this and imply that people are concerned about nothing is indeed unproductive and rude. But I do agree with Ferret in that one of the things which makes humans unique is their ability to laugh and sing and dance in the face of adversity, and even unspeakable horrors. It's just too bad some people confuse "comic relief" with so-called humourous put-downs of those who are intelligent enough to be taking this as seriously as is warranted and taking precautions to keep themselves and others as safe as possible.

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10 minutes ago, mudgirl said:

Posting "jokes" which mock the seriousness of this and imply that people are concerned about nothing is indeed unproductive and rude. But I do agree with Ferret in that one of the things which makes humans unique is their ability to laugh and sing and dance in the face of adversity, and even unspeakable horrors. It's just too bad some people confuse "comic relief" with so-called humourous put-downs of those who are intelligent enough to be taking this as seriously as is warranted and taking precautions to keep themselves and others as safe as possible.

you are very right. But this thing has now been downplayed so much and " outjoked ".  Humour also downplays and we have had enough of that. If you overdo it, then people will not take this seriously and more lifes will be lost.

Not against humour.

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42 minutes ago, Rony said:

I know that you are a moderator here, and have some power, but please rethink your continuous sarcasm and macho behaviour.  It is utterly childish.

  As a European, I follow VERY closely the unfolding drama in Italy ( where I have friends/direct witnesses in Florence ) and other European countries.

Panic no,.... but the non stop jokes about this ...are not even funny anymore and out of place.  One bad joke yes, but ...

  If you still believe that this is not serious and will not hit people here ( especially the poor, who will not have access to good or any healthcare ), you will be in for a big surprise soon.

Rony

Not about sarcasm at all and frankly your post is rude, personal and out of line. 

We have two choices:  We can take whatever precautions are available and reasonable and prudent, as my wife and I have, and keep our spirits up and our sense of humor or we can wallow in doom and gloom and get nasty with anyone who doesn't care to do so as you have.   Let's face it, there's more than a little madness and humor in this scramble for toilet paper when faced with a respiratory disease.  These people panicking and packing the stores like scared sheep have earned some fun being poked at them.

It is a well known fact that positive mental attitude is key to health and surviving illnesses.  You may want to rethink your approach to this.

Adults don't go apocalyptic and learn by experience to take things in stride.  I have survived a lot of these predicted catastrophes and so have most of us here.  I'm the son of parents who survive the Great Depression and WWII.  I have COPD which makes me even more vulnerable.  I'll either survive this or I won't and moaning and groaning and weeping and gnashing isn't going to change that one bit except, as noted, it may actually make any illness I contract worse.

We're doing everything we can and have our affairs in order as people our age should.  

Lighten up please.  It will make things better for yourself and those around you.

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Rony just do what many do-ignore posts that aren't helpful

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listen guys....

I was 33 when I arrived here in Mexico.  I am almost 56 now and as a very young expat, unfortunately I have had to say goodbye to a lot of older Canadian and US friends ( unusual to lose that many friends when you are in your thirties and forties ) and every time it hurt and I never got used to it !!

Also, a lot of those people left their pets, which didnt always have the best outcome !

The Mex healthcare system ( like others ) will not be able to cope with this tsunami.  Authorities mostly ignore the seriousness and hardly do any testing

About myself, yes, I am strong enough to admit that I am scared....but more so ( although at minor risk, I may hope ) to maybe have to leave behind my 15 year old doggie.

So, forgive me that I laugh a bit less, when reading the same style and repeated jokes...over and over again.

I sincerely wish the best to all of you ( and to myself ! ).  No hard feelings.  We simply dont have the same sense of humour and a different background

Rony

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Let's don't have our Tsunamis in advance, shall we?  There are two cases in GDL, both people traveled from Europe.  They are quarantined and the people they've been in contact with are also under observation.   It is hot and this bug doesn't like heat.  That could work in our favor.  I do think it was pretty foolish for them to hold that huge concert in Mexico City.  People living in these densely packed cities need to be even more careful than we do.

I'm nervous as well for the reason stated.  My chance of survival if I get this is poor due to COPD.  But I'm not going to lose my sense of humor about it.  Really it is hard not to laugh at some of the behavior going on now.  Unfortunately we have a lot of people around us who have never really encountered serious adversity and developed the maturity to get through it.

Frankly, looking at the craziness going on NOB I'm glad I'm here even if our health care isn't the best.  I see the Canadian government is suggesting Canadians return home.  If I were one, I wouldn't take that advice.  Feels like jumping from the frying pan into the fire to me.  

No hard feelings here.

 

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I understand why the Canadians feel they must go home.  It's about their national health insurance coverage requiring them to be there a certain number of months.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

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1 hour ago, gringal said:

I understand why the Canadians feel they must go home.  It's about their national health insurance coverage requiring them to be there a certain number of months.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

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I read that Cov 19 tests are available at Hospital Puerto Hiero $5,000.  Hand sanitizer is available at the health store next to Super Lake... hospital grade sanitizer. I hope he picks up many on his supply run Monday!

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I don't know what I should do, but I somehow feel safer here lakeside than I felt one month ago when I was in Seattle, just a few miles from Kirkland where so many old folks have died from the corona virus. I was lucky that I returned when I did (more than 14 days ago)

Every 6 months or so, I go to a Costco to buy this and that to include 30 rolls of toilet paper and several 12 packs of paper towels. I just did an inventory and I only have ten rolls of toilet paper and 6 rolls of paper towels  at the house here in Ajijic. (all from Costco, of course).

I had been planning to drive to Costco in a week or three and buy another 6 months supply of this and that to include TP and paper towels. But it sounds like it might not be such a good idea.  I hope everything calms down including my fear of catching the Corona Virus

I wish all of you the best of luck during this scary time for us "Old Farts" (that's what some of my much younger relatives call us old folks).

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34 minutes ago, gringal said:

I understand why the Canadians feel they must go home.  It's about their national health insurance coverage requiring them to be there a certain number of months.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

A Canadian  friend  from Ontario told me that Province will no longer  pay for medical expenses incurred out of the Province...is that  correct? 

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16 minutes ago, johanson said:

I don't know what I should do, but I somehow feel safer here lakeside than I felt one month ago when I was in Seattle, just a few miles from Kirkland where so many old folks have died from the corona virus. I was lucky that I returned when I did (more than 14 days ago)

Every 6 months or so, I go to a Costco to buy this and that to include 30 rolls of toilet paper and several 12 packs of paper towels. I just did an inventory and I only have ten rolls of toilet paper and 6 rolls of paper towels  at the house here in Ajijic. (all from Costco, of course).

I had been planning to drive to Costco in a week or three and buy another 6 months supply of this and that to include TP and paper towels. But it sounds like it might not be such a good idea.  I hope everything calms down including my fear of catching the Corona Virus

I wish all of you the best of luck during this scary time for us "Old Farts" (that's what some of my much younger relatives call us old folks).

It's always your choice, but I believe that your area NOB was ill prepared(both local and state) and in initial denial at the beginning is why so many cases and deaths. I believe now they have caught up and things have quieted down considerably there. All areas and States NOB are not equally prepared to care for their citizens. With today's stats release, the US death rate is now under 2%, so that should show everyone that the US, because of fast actions, is getting a handle quickly on things. Still, those fewer deaths are older with underlying illness. Just older is not the main concern.

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50 minutes ago, gringal said:

I understand why the Canadians feel they must go home.  It's about their national health insurance coverage requiring them to be there a certain number of months.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

That can be one reason but somehow or others many get around that. Another main one is that they are familiar with the language and the health care system in Canada and some think there are fewer substandard doctors and hospitals in Canada.

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