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5 minutes ago, bmh said:

and the 6T volteos that deliver sand and stones etc for construction..The 18 wheelers are not the only trucks that go too fast and cannot stop..Chapala has a hill coming down as well and then they enter the town so it is just as bad .

I don't recall reports of similar accidents involving out of control trucks at the Chapala hill.  Are there similar issues there?

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The problem Ajijic or San Juan and other pueblos have is that there is only one access road so if delivery have to be made trucks need to be allowed.. They could modify the size of the  trucks that are allowed up to a point but I do not think it would make much difference.

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14 minutes ago, Bisbee Gal said:

I don't recall reports of similar accidents involving out of control trucks at the Chapala hill.  Are there similar issues there?

About a year or two  ago I saw an overturned truck who ,probably with the help of the semi, noise making, topes, had the smarts to pull to the right and landed on its side and only damaged one other vehicle and there were no injuries. Sorry the Bomberos,Transitos, Muni Policia and I didn't make you aware of this at the time.

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The problem is not necessarily the 18 wheelers here. Most of these are driven by expedience drivers and the problems are failing brakes that are rare. I lived for a number of years in the California High Desert above the Cajon Pass that traverses the mountain on Highway 18, the route to Las Vegas. This is a major 4 lane  highway and going down (South) it is truly scary.They have built a couple of emergency exits for trucks with failing brakes that takes them off the highway onto a siding with a ascending sand mound that quickly bring the truck to a halt. This would not be an option on the libramiento due to the businesses there. The main problem here is inexperienced smaller truck and car drivers (also maybe impaired) that come upon the topes expectantly and unprepared. My suggestion is painting not white stripes but some sort of incandescent paint stripes (glowing) before and ON the topes that give more advanced notice particularly at night. 

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9 hours ago, gringohombre said:

The problem is not necessarily the 18 wheelers here. Most of these are driven by expedience drivers and the problems are failing brakes that are rare. I lived for a number of years in the California High Desert above the Cajon Pass that traverses the mountain on Highway 18, the route to Las Vegas. This is a major 4 lane  highway and going down (South) it is truly scary.They have built a couple of emergency exits for trucks with failing brakes that takes them off the highway onto a siding with a ascending sand mound that quickly bring the truck to a halt. This would not be an option on the libramiento due to the businesses there. The main problem here is inexperienced smaller truck and car drivers (also maybe impaired) that come upon the topes expectantly and unprepared. My suggestion is painting not white stripes but some sort of incandescent paint stripes (glowing) before and ON the topes that give more advanced notice particularly at night. 

Yes, they could definitely use more paint, especially flourescent, on topes everywhere. 

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6 hours ago, Bisbee Gal said:

I don't recall reports of similar accidents involving out of control trucks at the Chapala hill.  Are there similar issues there?

Apparently yes so the topes were added there some time ago.

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I think that ONLY on an expat Forum would there be 56 responses to a Tope Post!

 

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36 minutes ago, RickS said:

I think that ONLY on an expat Forum would there be 56 responses to a Tope Post!

 

Probably the most worthless thread in the last 10 pages of this particular forum.  LOL

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6 hours ago, slainte39 said:

Probably the most worthless thread in the last 10 pages of this particular forum.  LOL

There have been many much worse

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Okay let me add one more. About a year ago a strait truck loaded with ice lost control in the curb just past the fire department. Luckily no cars where coming the other way.

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I'm of course no engineer, unlike everyone else here. Pretty sure they could do it if they wanted to. Yeah, some businesses would be screwed. Comes down to a question of what's better: donuts and tire shops or safety. Topes won't stop anything like a runaway truck. Add the high-tension cables at the end (designed originally for protecting racetrack spectators), along with the water-filled devices and sand mountains, and bingo. The 2nd image only requires 100 metres.

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On 1/1/2020 at 11:36 AM, happyjillin said:

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Tell us how many that you've seen that would fit here and back it up with a foto or two. I bet that you can't.😴

The picture you are showing cannot fit here but you want me to find one that will? First show me yours.

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In 33 years I can count the runaway trucks on my 2 hands, and the number of injuries on 1 hand. Y'all need to get a hobby. 

The biggest problen is stupid drivers turning too sharply at speed, and not runaway trucks from brake failures. 

Unfortunatly topes, ramps, signs, nor stoplights cure or prevent stupidity. 

 

 

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20 hours ago, ComputerGuy said:

I'm of course no engineer, unlike everyone else here. Pretty sure they could do it if they wanted to. Yeah, some businesses would be screwed. Comes down to a question of what's better: donuts and tire shops or safety. Topes won't stop anything like a runaway truck. Add the high-tension cables at the end (designed originally for protecting racetrack spectators), along with the water-filled devices and sand mountains, and bingo. The 2nd image only requires 100 metres.

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runaway truck ramp2.jpg

Those look like very ineffective run away lanes-the useful ones I've seen seen are quite steep. You want gravity to do most of the slowing. 

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I especially like that first one, looks like if the truck doesn't stop it goes right over the edge into some sort of canyon.  A real incentive to check one's brakes.  :D 

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3 hours ago, cedros said:

Those look like very ineffective run away lanes-the useful ones I've seen seen are quite steep. You want gravity to do most of the slowing. 

A pit of gravel will cause the wheels to sink into the base and stop the forward motion.

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8 hours ago, Alpha1 said:

A pit of gravel will cause the wheels to sink into the base and stop the forward motion.

If the gravel doesn't disappear. It sounds like it would be a big job to tow a rig out of the gravel.

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13 hours ago, cedros said:

If the gravel doesn't disappear. It sounds like it would be a big job to tow a rig out of the gravel.

Towing trucks out is a different matter,  start  a new  topic!!

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25 minutes ago, lakeside7 said:

Towing trucks out is a different matter,  start  a new  topic!!

Yes ma'am.

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10 hours ago, AngusMactavish said:

Yes ma'am.

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That is quite the picture. Do you know where it was taken?

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