daisy2013 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Guess another 18 wheeler went down Libramiento thru the cement barriers and blocked the entrance to Walmart while stopping at the light in La Floresta an Honda CRV went thru a red light as a DHL van was crossing the carretera , the Honda hit the van. Both accidents are still there. Be careful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLU Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 I went thru the intersection about 1 hour before that complaining all the way about the new topes asking myself how is it possible that 13 new topes wouldn't slow those guys down when maybe only 6 or 7 were required to do so? then at the second batch i told myself this was dumb why are these needed when the guys are already slowed down? i guess I had better stop peculating and talking to myself and start paying more attention to reality and what happened an hour later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideSky Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 The accident at Walmart WAS NOT due to loss of brakes; he did not drive over the barriers - he was driving very, very slowly - he miscalculated his load length vs the 'S' turn to get into walmart parking lot; The trailer jacks got caught on the sidewalk. Good thing he stopped before he ripped them right off and then it would have been a real mess. Geez, look at the scene - no damage to the tractor; those fiberglass bodies on tractor units would have disintegrated if he had hit the concrete barriers. And it was only blocking the one entrance (there are 2 others) into Walmart that most people don't use anyway unless using that 'lateral' as an excuse not to stop at the lights. FYI there must have been some other accident/altercation in front of the tech schools on the libramiento as traffic was backed up a long, long way about 1:30pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisy2013 Posted November 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Thank you for telling me about the Walmart accident I did not know. I only witnessed the one in La Floresta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDTVStreamers Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 If Transito would do TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT and issue fines (not mordidas) to speeders , it would not only generate revenue , it would deter speeders far better than a few topes, which they just resume speeding after the topes. Mandatorry driving school for those repeat offenders too would help. Its the offenders that pay the costs of the school. I do not understand why it is so difficult for the local governemnets to understand. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo1 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Because enforcement is exactly the way the govt. wants it to be. I believe the revenue goes to the state rather than the muni which could be why they don't concentrate on enforcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, HDTVStreamers said: If Transito would do TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT and issue fines (not mordidas) to speeders , it would not only generate revenue , it would deter speeders far better than a few topes, which they just resume speeding after the topes. Mandatorry driving school for those repeat offenders too would help. Its the offenders that pay the costs of the school. I do not understand why it is so difficult for the local governemnets to understand. You do realize we are in Mexico and what you are suggesting is spitting into a strong wind. Local governments understand, it´s you, that does not understand local governments. I´ve been hearing this same thing from foreigners for 50 years and you will be hearing it 50 years from now. It´s called a "culture difference". 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDTVStreamers Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, slainte39 said: You do realize we are in Mexico and what you are suggesting is spitting into a strong wind. Local governments understand, it´s you, that does not understand local governments. I´ve been hearing this same thing from foreigners for 50 years and you will be hearing it 50 years from now. It´s called a "culture difference". I am Mexican! I guess your expectation is that I will sit around and say "That is how it's always been and it will never change"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 35 minutes ago, HDTVStreamers said: I am Mexican! I guess your expectation is that I will sit around and say "That is how it's always been and it will never change"? ¡ Yo también ! Nací en México, crecí por el otro lado. No tengo ninguna expectativa, pero entiendo realidad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDTVStreamers Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 If you lived "en el otro lado" then you know that enforcement with reprocussions of a person losing their license or having to go to driving school is a far better deterrent than "topes" that ruin cars and cause more exhaust. What I figure is that more people will use the oncoming lane to avoid the topes causing an increase in head-on collissions. Last I saw the topes were on the downhill side only and not on the uphill side. Talk about STUPID! That combined with the fact that most Mexican drivers have no clue what the double solid yellow line means (or most road markings for that matter) , it is a recipe for disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, HDTVStreamers said: . Talk about STUPID! That combined with the fact that most Mexican drivers have no clue what the double solid yellow line means (or most road markings for that matter) , it is a recipe for disaster. ¡ Ándale pues, amigo ! Admiro su opinión de su país y sus paisanos. ¡ Nos vemos, nunca ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDTVStreamers Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Mi pais es Mexico. QUiero un Mexico mas seguro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubob Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 There was a third accident between Ajijic and San juan Cosala around 7 p.m. Nov. 22--A Water truck crashed into something and was standing diagonally across the road. We were held up for a long time going west out of Ajijic and the ambulance arrived as we were sitting and waiting for a long string of eastbound traffic to pass by on our side of the road. I couldn't tell if there was a car involved as well. We, too, had just come from Guad. on the libramiento. My first time experiencing the topes which seemed excessive but perhaps that is what is needed. They do afford more of a chance for people to exit the mall, at least. I wonder if a second light near Tio Sam's might help create a break in traffic before the mall, as most of the traffic from the mall wants to turn toward Ajijic rather than Chapala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 A normal day on the Careterra! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeser Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 15 hours ago, NLU said: I went thru the intersection about 1 hour before that complaining all the way about the new topes asking myself how is it possible that 13 new topes wouldn't slow those guys down when maybe only 6 or 7 were required to do so? then at the second batch i told myself this was dumb why are these needed when the guys are already slowed down? i guess I had better stop peculating and talking to myself and start paying more attention to reality and what happened an hour later The Topes are not effective if a vehicle hits them at any speed. A vehicle being surprised and hitting the first tope finds it is more airborne than in contact with the pavement. The obvious maneuver at that point is to hit the brakes which are not as effective as the tires are not in full contact with the pavement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeser Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Yo1 said: Because enforcement is exactly the way the govt. wants it to be. I believe the revenue goes to the state rather than the muni which could be why they don't concentrate on enforcement. Perhaps now that Chapala has it's own transito department the municipal government gets the fines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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