RickS Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 The federal government just announced that they are canceling the Seguro Popular program and forming a new unified system to integrate all the different government programs. The details still aren’t clear. Anyone else see/hear this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xena Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 Where was this announced and by whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted October 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Xena said: Where was this announced and by whom? I read it on another out-of-town Forum. That is why I asked the question and did not make a statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostlylost Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 7This was announced months ago by AMLO. As of today the website is functioning and shows no news. In truth the government could save millions by consolidating the many federal health systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barcelonaman Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 Amlo been trying to integrate sp and imss for months, still no confirmation. He has also just pumped a lot of money into sp for badly need drugs,particularly for cancer, that werent available earlier this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostlylost Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 72 billion, 538 million pesos equaling over 50% of the federal health system budget was just allotted to Seguro Popular for the 2020 budget. Doubt it will be going away anytime soon. Mexico, like most countries, has a difficult time downsizing any federal program. Way too many bureaucrats have to receive their piece of the pie. In truth even AMLO has said the Seguro Popular system is neither Seguro (safe) or Popular (popular). At the same time AMLO is proposing yet another health system in addition to Seguro Popular, IMSS, and ISSSTE. Yes more bureaucracy, but what else would be expected from a socialist president? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 With respect, Some item that has been Budgeted , just means that...will, if, could, it happen...With all the shortages that are being reported in both the IMSS and SP system..I would doubt they are getting the monies that have been allocated for 2019. I would also predict that the budget for a "free" system like SP will never never be sufficient to satisfy the "Needs" of those patients with real and perceived illness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 Not free but covered by revenues collected from the general populace in the form of IVA and ISR impuestos. 100 per cent of the needs of everyone?......probably not, but a lot more people will get help that would never have a chance otherwise. Private insurance with full coverage is very expensive in Mexico and beyond the budget of many households. Even with private insurance, many people have problems collecting for various medical expenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/23/2019 at 4:09 PM, Mostlylost said: 7This was announced months ago by AMLO. As of today the website is functioning and shows no news. In truth the government could save millions by consolidating the many federal health systems. On 10/23/2019 at 4:17 PM, barcelonaman said: Amlo been trying to integrate sp and imss for months, still no confirmation. He has also just pumped a lot of money into sp for badly need drugs,particularly for cancer, that werent available earlier this year. https://www.sinembargo.mx/02-07-2019/3606096 Google Translation: "AMLO slows plan to integrate health services and announces tour in IMSS hospitals across the country By EFE July 02, 2019 10:51 am President Andrés Manuel López Obrador acknowledged that providing health care to the entire population is a pending issue. “We have not been able to attend to the health problem well. That is why from this weekend I start a tour of all the hospitals in the open population care system of the IMSS, ”he revealed. Mexico, July 2 (EFE) .- The President of Mexico, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, announced on Tuesday his decision to sharply divide the health system between institutions that care for those who have social security [IMSS] and those that take care of the open population [Seguro Popular], abandoning his plan to integrate them all. “We are going to improve the entire health system. The ideal was to integrate everything into a universal system; It happens in other countries. But we considered that it would be quite difficult. Consequently, it was decided to divide (the system) into two parts, ”the president said in his morning press conference. One part will be related to social security [IMSS]. "That the Mexican Institute of Social Security (IMSS) and the Institute of Social Security and Services of State Workers (ISSSTE), for the right-holders, works well," he said. "And that the National Institute of Health for Wellness [ Seguro Popular] serves the entire population that does not have social security," he said. This National Health Institute will replace the current Seguro Popular, which is currently focused on serving Mexicans who lack social security. The President acknowledged that reforming the entire public health system will require special attention, so he will consult “with those who have experience, in particular attending to children”. On December 14 of last year, López Obrador presented a health program to guarantee health care and free medicines for all citizens, and that would integrate all the institutions of the branch, federal, state and municipal. And on April 9 he announced the creation of the National Institute of Health for Wellness, which will deal with "the care of those who have no chance of having insurance", estimated at 60 million people. [Seguro Popular has already 59,000,000 enrolled] Currently, the IMSS and the ISSSTE are the main institutions in the country in charge of providing care to the right-holder workers who have social insurance that is covered by worker-employer fees [IMSS]. They are joined by the state social security institutes for workers.[ISSSTE] Additionally, the IMSS will have a system (IMSS Wellness), which provides free medical services to more than 13 million Mexicans in marginalized rural and urban areas through 80 hospitals." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 On Monday the National Health Plan was announced. https://www.sinembargo.mx/21-10-2019/3664995 Google Translation: "The Government of AMLO presents the new National Health Plan and announces the creation of Insabi By Daniela Barragan October 21, 2019 9:34 am SECTION MEXICO From the National Palace, the health sector authorities announced the launch of a call to find the next "Wellness Doctors", who "will help the historical transformation of the health system." The Secretary of Health started with this call, in order to recruit doctors, nurses, dentists, etc., to work in the most marginal regions in the country. Government enlists program to hire doctors and nurses in the health system, AMLO announces Mexico City, October 21 (SinEmbargo) .– The federal government presented on Monday morning the new National Health Plan, which contemplates the creation of the Institute of Health for Wellness (Insabi), with the aim of expanding in a way progressive access to services for the population without social security [IMSS], "eliminating restrictions on treatments and medications that currently exist." Juan Antonio Ferrer Aguilar, next head of Insabi, explained that it is a decentralized public body of the federal administration, with legal personality and its own assets, sectorized in the Secretary of Health. At a press conference, he indicated that the Institute will have four national coordinations for medical management, supply, infrastructure, as well as administration and finance. In front of President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, the official explained that the first stage of Insabi will begin in 2020 with various basic functions, including supply and distribution of medicines, healing material and medical equipment; provide doctors, nurses and specialists in the care units; build and maintain health facilities; regularize all temporary workers and workers with contracts for fees. Likewise, the health sector authorities announced the launch of a call to find the next "Wellness Doctors", who "will help the historical transformation of the health system." The Secretary of Health started with this call, in order to recruit doctors, nurses, dentists, etc., to work in the most marginal regions in the country. According to the document, the "Wellness Physicians" will have growth possibilities and stimuli to professional practice in Primary Health Care (PHC), such as full professional practice, specialized training, job stability and economic stimulation. From July 5 to October 18, 2019, the President visited the 80 rural hospitals of the Mexican Social Security Institute (IMSS) -Wellness in 19 states of the Republic, where 12.3 million people benefit." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 It has been well covered in the news that in recruiting the isolated rural doctors and support staff, nurses, lab and imagining technicians etc. they will recieve a handsome salary compared to urban doctors and support staff. Probably other benefits like days off and travel bonuses I might guess. They plan to have specialists there not just GPs. Prenatal specialists in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 Does anyone have any firsthand information..... I don't, but it is why I posted this..... that in some places (Guanajuato, Queretaro??) gringo expats are being denied access to or renewal of SP? Again, it is a question, not a statement. There are unconfirmed.... at least by MY definition of confirmed.... reports that this is happening in San Miguel area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frijoles Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 I live in Queretaro and have been denied renewal of my SP policy - first at the General Hospital and then again at the SP office in Centro. They said it's not available to foreigners anymore and that we must become naturalized citizens to qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiko Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Frijoles said: I live in Queretaro and have been denied renewal of my SP policy - first at the General Hospital and then again at the SP office in Centro. They said it's not available to foreigners anymore and that we must become naturalized citizens to qualify. Elections have consequences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostlylost Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 The law has not changed. If someone is denied coverage and they are a legal resident they need to file an official complaint. Any person who should deny coverage to a legal resident is violating at least 3 federal laws. Does it happen? Yes. I remember about 10 years ago the director of IMSS in Chapala was doing the same. After official complaints were filed at the federal level she was moved to a different clinic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Mostlylost said: The law has not changed. If someone is denied coverage and they are a legal resident they need to file an official complaint. Any person who should deny coverage to a legal resident is violating at least 3 federal laws. Does it happen? Yes. I remember about 10 years ago the director of IMSS in Chapala was doing the same. After official complaints were filed at the federal level she was moved to a different clinic. Yes she was moved....eventually...and not before many gringos ....were denied service and or kicked out.....We may never fully understand the correct reasons for her actions but rumour was she received directions from the powers who be in Guadalajara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisy2013 Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 SP is for mexican citizens IMSS is for anyone that pays for it. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conejorapido Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 minute ago, daisy2013 said: SP is for mexican citizens IMSS is for anyone that pays for it. Baloney. I have SP and I'm not a citizen. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibarra Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 We signed up for SP about a month ago in Chapala. I have Permanente status and my husband nationalized 5 years ago. No problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted October 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 2 hours ago, daisy2013 said: SP is for mexican citizens IMSS is for anyone that pays for it. Statements like this just should NOT be made on any Forum as they are obviously made from a place of no knowledge about the subject. For several YEARS people on this and other Forums have been talking about their SP experiences. How could that have been missed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostlylost Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 20 hours ago, daisy2013 said: SP is for mexican citizens IMSS is for anyone that pays for it. DEAD WRONG You should not post information unless you have first hand knowledge. From the Seguro Popular website Please read they state "residente" not Mexicano. Residente under federal law as anyone who has the legal right to live in Mexico ¿Qué requisitos se necesitan para tramitar el seguro popular? Para poder incorporarte al Seguro Popular debes acudir a un Módulo de Afiliación y Orientación más cercano a tu localidad y cumplir con los siguientes requisitos: Ser residente en territorio nacional. No ser derecho-habientes de la seguridad social (IMSS o ISSSTE, PEMEX, etc.). Los documentos que deberás presentar en original y copia son: Comprobante de domicilio (con una vigencia no mayor a 90 días). Clave Única de Registro de Población (CURP) o Acta de nacimiento. Identificación oficial con fotografía del titular, en caso de menores de edad pueden presentar una carta de identidad que puede ser solicitada en su delegación o palacio municipal. Si eres beneficiario de algún programa de apoyo o subsidio del Gobierno Federal, debe presentar un comprobante que lo acredite como parte de alguna colectividad. What requirements are needed to process Seguro Popular? In order to join the Seguro Popular you must go to an Affiliation and Orientation Module closest to your location and meet the following requirements: Be a resident in national territory. Not be right-holders of social security (IMSS or ISSSTE, PEMEX, etc.). The documents that you must present in original and copy are: Proof of address (valid for no more than 90 days). Unique Population Registration Code (CURP) or Birth Certificate. Official identification with photo of the holder, in case of minors they can present an identity card that can be requested in their delegation or municipal palace. If you are a beneficiary of any Federal Government support or subsidy program, you must present proof that it is part of a community. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowyco Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 8:55 PM, Mostlylost said: The law has not changed. If someone is denied coverage and they are a legal resident they need to file an official complaint. Any person who should deny coverage to a legal resident is violating at least 3 federal laws. Does it happen? Yes. I remember about 10 years ago the director of IMSS in Chapala was doing the same. After official complaints were filed at the federal level she was moved to a different clinic. ... The change in the law is in process. No final changes completed, yet ... " La Cámara de Diputados reformó la Ley General de Salud para eliminar el Seguro Popular y crear en su lugar el Instituto Nacional de Salud para el Bienestar (Insabi). Con 290 votos a favor, 65 en contra y 42 abstenciones también se homologaron en toda la ley los aspectos referentes a la prestación gratuita de servicios médicos, medicamentos y demás insumos. " "... El dictamen fue enviado al Senado para su revisión, con el voto dividido de casi todas las bancadas, incluso Morena. El PAN se opuso al afirmar que el Insabi operará en la opacidad y no hay presupuesto para alcanzar la cobertura prometida. " ... October 24, 2019 as reported by Excelsior and multiple other national Mexican news outlets https://www.excelsior.com.mx/nacional/crean-nuevo-instituto-de-salud-diputados-eliminan-el-seguro-popular/1343748 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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