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1 hour ago, AlanMexicali said:

I don't know but many people still think eating saturated fat [ animal fat and butter etc. ] causes heart disease. 

What I have learned in my 30+ years with heart disease is I don't "doctor" myself, reading this, taking that...  I find doctors that I put my trust in and I follow their advise.

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7 minutes ago, Tiny said:

What I have learned in my 30+ years with heart disease is I don't "doctor" myself, reading this, taking that...  I find doctors that I put my trust in and I follow their advise.

Don't you want to be an informed patient to better hold the doctors accountable?

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1 hour ago, Lily H said:

Don't you want to be an informed patient to better hold the doctors accountable?

I inform myself from doctors (my own and others) and other medical personnel.  Not something written on the web.  I prefer to talk to people that read medical journals, not some study by who knows who.  I do not go to a doctor with the attitude that I have to hold them accountable.

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Dr. Joe Crowe has a well documented coronary heart disease reversal on clinical record.   Google Dr Joe Crowe Dr Esselstyn to see before and after pics of his artery.  

Eating vegan for some people just isn’t going to happen but it will reverse coronary heart disease no matter what your age.  

All the stents, bi passes, pacemakers, valve replacements and clips won’t add any  more time to your life, that’s what the doctors say.  It won’t prolong your life, just make it a little more comfortable to continue doing what your doing to have coronary heart disease.  Keep eating your dairy and meat.  MD have no cures, just mask the symptoms.  Until you stop eating what makes you sick you won’t reverse anything.  Genetics have very little to do with any disease.    10 months-1 year on a vegan diet verses cutting my chest in 1/2...I’ll take the vegan diet.  Doesn’t take long to start feeling better.

also look up Dr Ellsworth Wareham, a renowned cardiac surgeon and longtime vegan. 

Geez, even Bill Clinton did it ya’ll.. 

 

 

 

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Although I applaud your natural efforts to reverse disease, I find your statement "Genetics have very little to do with any disease" very naïve. They most  certainly do and it is an upcoming field of research with regards to auto-immune diseases and cancers and coronary disease. 

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Genetics, diet, microbiome, environment, etc.  They all have something to do with our health but when you need a pacemaker and ask for costs the answer should be in dollar/peso terms.  

When you’re in complete heart block, sudden onset of a-fib or svt, your priorities become focused on tackling the symptoms and not on finding long term solutions. 

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1 hour ago, Ferret said:

Although I applaud your natural efforts to reverse disease, I find your statement "Genetics have very little to do with any disease" very naïve. They most  certainly do and it is an upcoming field of research with regards to auto-immune diseases and cancers and coronary disease. 

Since I was told by the most recommended cardiac specialist in this area that my problem was genetic,  for some reason........I believed him.

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My paternal grandfather died at 54 from heart disease.

My maternal grandfather died at 74 from heart disease.

My father died at 54 from heart disease/depression/suicide.

One younger brother died at 54 from heart disease.

Another younger brother died at 72 from heart disease.

I think it is genetic, as I almost died at 62 from a massive heart attack.

I have survived several other attacks and interventions, and I do follow doctor's orders and take several daily meds, to stay alive, some 20 years later.  The spring is winding down, but I am still ticking, and am not afraid to have the occasional slice or two of bacon, or some Texas BBQ. Another younger brother also 'follows orders' and is still alive at 80.

I do have a vegan daughter, and she seems rather unhealthy at 60.

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11 hours ago, MyHomeSweetHome said:

All the stents, bi passes, pacemakers, valve replacements and clips won’t add any  more time to your life, that’s what the doctors say.  It won’t prolong your life, just make it a little more comfortable to continue doing what your doing to have coronary heart disease.  

What doctors say that???

My mother had quintuple bypass after a heart attack at age 80.  She lived to be 92 when she suffered her last heart attack packing for her winter fling to FL.

My aunt had quadruple bypass after a heart attack at age 81; she also lived an active life until age 91 (did not die of heart disease).  

While I am a strong believer in healthy diets and especially weight management, it is silly to say doctors do not think heart surgery prolongs life.  Makes your entire post questionable.  

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12 hours ago, MyHomeSweetHome said:

Says who?   Better talk to Dr Richard Schultze about that.

You mean that Doctor of Herbology that sells his snake oil type of stuff letting you think he is a medical doctor?

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1 hour ago, AngusMactavish said:

You mean that Doctor of Herbology that sells his snake oil type of stuff letting you think he is a medical doctor?

Let's get down to it:  What are the credentials and backgrounds of the doctors who are being referred to re the vegan diet? I'm assuming the poster knows and I'm too lazy to hunt down the information.

 

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I forgot to mention something about my vegan daughter: She is married to a doctor, who is also somewhat vegan out of necessity, and who remained very active on the soccer field until a knee injury at about age 70 slowed him down.  He says very little on this subject, or any other, as my vegan daughter never stops preaching about her diet. He is now a 'retired doctor', having taught at a university for many years, on a professional green card for the USA, instead of his home country of Ecuador.  Oh, his PhD (doctorate) is in Latin American Studies, and his specialty is History and Spanish, etc.  Not all 'doctors' are created equal!  Be careful when you choose one.

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10 hours ago, slainte39 said:

Well you certainly have a vegan promoting doctor of some sorts posting on this thread. :017:

Amazing the expertise on heart disease cure by vegan lifestyle that´s available gratis on this forum.

 

 

 

Yep.  Who needs to see an M.D. and pay a hefty fee when they can find the cure, right here on a web board with expert suggestions for free?

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Here goes:

Eat whatever you like, whenever you wish. 

If you get heavier, eat less.

If you get skinny, eat more.

Exercise is good, but always optional.

You were "terminal" from the moment of inception.

Good luck, and be careful in traffic!

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12 minutes ago, RVGRINGO said:

Here goes:

Eat whatever you like, whenever you wish. 

If you get heavier, eat less.

If you get skinny, eat more.

Exercise is good, but always optional.

You were "terminal" from the moment of inception.

Good luck, and be careful in traffic!

I love you, RV!

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1 hour ago, RVGRINGO said:

Here goes:

Eat whatever you like, whenever you wish. 

If you get heavier, eat less.

If you get skinny, eat more.

Exercise is good, but always optional.

You were "terminal" from the moment of inception.

Good luck, and be careful in traffic!

If you had practiced what you preach you would not be as old as you are now.

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I did practice all of that, and still do, but I was also foolish enough to smoke from age 17 to 62. That first heart attack got my attention, and I quit in 1999. Hindsight is always 20/20.

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