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6 hours ago, sm1mex said:

 Just about every time I go to Adelitas people bring dogs in they do sit out on the back patio but several of the last times two dogs were at it with each other and then the little FiFi somebody brings and barks almost constantly.   Some are disciplined and are quiet but many are not discipline and cause a ruckus.  Not a pleasant dining experience. 

So the dog population is not a whole lot different than the human population.

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2 hours ago, AngusMactavish said:

Is dog hair in chocolate still vegan?

Si. As someone on a previous post noted when you have a pet, hair is considered both a clothing accessory and a condiment.

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Out of consideration to my neighbors, I will not bring my dogs to outdoor eating areas unless it is allowed by the owners. I notice one restaurant has a pet menu. So, I feel my dogs are welcome and other patrons know that.

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I believ the Mexican law indicates ..that dogs are not allowed in service areas...  After dealing with every aspect of planning , building ,and renovating over thirty restaurants  in the last forty years  l can assure  you 100 %  whether you like it or not ..” Service areas according to the FDA and many other state and federal  licensing entities are areas within a restaurant where food is prepared  , stored  and received ,  including but not limited too , dish washing  areas , laundry storage , liquor and wine  storage , back bar areas and waiter preparation areas “ These areas must  have adequate drainage , approved wall and flooring coverage...... it goes on and on as you can imagine ,  however the  telling line is how it finishes....these areas should  have some form of separation from the dining and public access areas ....

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Wouldn´t the area where you are dining, be an area where food is received? Most back bars are in plain sight of the dining area and not in some obscure location on the premises.

Why not take them (dogs) to movie theaters, churches, grocery stores, schools from kinder to university, and a lot of other places that are public venues.  Just allow dogs anyplace and anywhere.

Get real Rony and leave your dog at home or with a sitter along with other personal items from your home,  you wouldn´t take to these places.  Show a little consideration for other people who don´t want to dine with dogs.  Go home and eat with your dog.

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1 hour ago, slainte39 said:

Wouldn´t the area where you are dining, be an area where food is received? Most back bars are in plain sight of the dining area and not in some obscure location on the premises.

Why not take them (dogs) to movie theaters, churches, grocery stores, schools from kinder to university, and a lot of other places that are public venues.  Just allow dogs anyplace and anywhere.

Get real Rony and leave your dog at home or with a sitter along with other personal items from your home,  you wouldn´t take to these places.  Show a little consideration for other people who don´t want to dine with dogs.  Go home and eat with your dog.

Not much of an argument, is it...(versus my posts...you might want to reread)

I think that I more than pointed out the absurdness of your obsession...using PLENTY of arguments

I wouldnt torment my dog by taking it to church anyway

I rest my case

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Slainte29 wrote "Why not take them (dogs) to movie theaters, churches, grocery stores, schools from kinder to university, and a lot of other places that are public venues.  Just allow dogs anyplace and anywhere."

You wont believe it Slainte, but dogs are allowed on one side of the church at the little Chapel By The Lake, here along the shores of Lake Chapala.

First only service dogs were allowed, Now any dog. So far no problem. It will be interesting to see what happens if they all start to bark. at once. There are usually one to three dogs at any Sunday service, and so far never one bark.

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In 2002, El Torito used to have its bolillos in an uncovered basket, on a shelf close to the floor. I shopped at El Torito on a regular basis and bought my buns there. One day, someone brought their dog to the store. The dog lifted its leg and p**d on the bolillos.  I do not shop at that store any longer. 

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2 hours ago, slainte39 said:

Wouldn´t the area where you are dining, be an area where food is received? Most back bars are in plain sight of the dining area and not in some obscure location on the premises.

Why not take them (dogs) to movie theaters, churches, grocery stores, schools from kinder to university, and a lot of other places that are public venues.  Just allow dogs anyplace and anywhere.

Get real Rony and leave your dog at home or with a sitter along with other personal items from your home,  you wouldn´t take to these places.  Show a little consideration for other people who don´t want to dine with dogs.  Go home and eat with your dog.

Makes complete sense, but that isn't what everyone wants to hear.  That's why this will always be a contentious topic.

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1 hour ago, gringal said:

Makes complete sense, but that isn't what everyone wants to hear.  That's why this will always be a contentious topic.

What makes sense to one person, doesnt always make sense to the other.

And you gave in to the temptation, Gringal

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45 minutes ago, Rony said:

What makes sense to one person, doesnt always make sense to the other.

And you gave in to the temptation, Gringal

The latter sentence is debatable.  I didn't offer my opinion on the "entitled" ones.😎  Takes too long.

 

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15 minutes ago, gringal said:

I didn't offer my opinion on the "entitled" ones.

You can easily see entitled attitudes when quoting the law, they usually say something like, "What does the law exactly mean in Mexico." A lot like the sound of one hand clapping. What about Hillary?

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Oh no.  "entitled" is your very personal and totally wrong interpretation,  because you are having a hard time with  my arguments.

The very few times, I take my dog to a restaurant, I will first check with the owner, with other guests and I will also try to sit as far away from other people (and my dog will be under the table).

My main and only point is how you guys, every single time, totally blow this out of proportion and make a huge thing out of this and cite a few bad examples, while it has been proven in many other countries, that this really doesnt cause a health crisis or people fighting with one another .

Fortunately, in the bigger cities, people come to their senses about this and are able to bring a compromise between the 2 groups ... by simply implementing basic rules.  Whether a group of conservative and tunnel vision thinkers like it or not.... more and more cities and countries are heading in that direction.  Even Amtrack in the US, fairly recently, started to accept pets on its trains (and people eat there too).  In all circumstances ( trains, busses, restaurants ) rules are put in place and I rarely or never witness problems.

It is not just animals, but also people that cause problems by showing lack of respect.  

If worried about hygiene....believe me.... after years and years helping and guiding people in the local restaurant business....a well behaved, small doggie (member of my family ! ) really is the least of your problems.

I doubt that any point, argument or factual comparison will give you the wisdom of really opening your eyes,....but after years of reading this nonsens, and never having had enough discussion time, I had to weigh in....even if I have to go against the majority "here"

 

 

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I almost hate to point this out,  Rony, but you are breaking the law.  That's not okay, no matter how you rationalize it.  It's what it is.

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26 minutes ago, gringal said:

I almost hate to point this out,  Rony, but you are breaking the law.  That's not okay, no matter how you rationalize it.  It's what it is.

Thank you for this very first valid argument. I love you, Gringal

If this really is a law....and it might be.....how come that some big GDL and Mex City restaurants have signs that allow mascotas, even with pet drinking bowls.  I forgot the name of it, but I recently saw one in La colonia Americana in GDL.  It is certainly not that those places are somewhere hidden away or outside of centro

For your information, those spaces are often on the terrace, which doesnt bother me.

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Here is a first list of places....that all "break the law??"

https://www.timeoutmexico.mx/ciudad-de-mexico/restaurantes-cafes/restaurantes-y-cafes-pet-friendly

We are going to need a lot of extra prison cells, pet friendly or not.

Also note, that most of these places are not somewhere hidden away.

So forgive me....I really try to respect the law, but if I see all this (( lists of pet friendly restos )), I surrender and bring in the handcuffs

Sorry, but in this game....elbelgicano - the rest.... still 1 - 0. And do I hear the fat lady singing ?

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11 minutes ago, Rony said:

Here is a first list of places....that all "break the law??"

https://www.timeoutmexico.mx/ciudad-de-mexico/restaurantes-cafes/restaurantes-y-cafes-pet-friendly

 

And they say the same thing, "At the outdoor tables you can enjoy the company of your pet. "

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Fair enough.  It is part of the restaurant, isnt it.  It usually is actually the best part

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Reminds me of the time my puppy got loose by a church and they had left the gate and door open. She ran right in then thru the rows introducing herself and then came back to me. Did I mention sevices were in progress?

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There is a difference between "outside" and "inside".  We all know that. Let's don't belabor the issue to the max.

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On 4/13/2019 at 3:35 PM, Rony said:

...the more civilized a country, the better pets are assimilated in society.

 

I don't know what civilized countries you've been in but in Europe where dogs in restaurants is legal.  The people do not bring dogs when they dine.  You also said you had a restaurant in Chapala and kept your dog with you in the kitchen.  This is a total disrespect for Mexican law and your customers.   I believe we will never get the dogs out of Lake Chapala because of attitudes like yours but this does not mean I have to like it. 

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If you want your dog with you in a restaurant, just move to Europe if you can not do without your dog for a hour or two. You would be doing everyone a huge favor.

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1 hour ago, rafterbr said:

I don't know what civilized countries you've been in but in Europe where dogs in restaurants is legal.  The people do not bring dogs when they dine.  You also said you had a restaurant in Chapala and kept your dog with you in the kitchen.  This is a total disrespect for Mexican law and your customers.   I believe we will never get the dogs out of Lake Chapala because of attitudes like yours but this does not mean I have to like it. 

That´s why France decided to slice off Belgium and let them be their own country, a place for all the, dogs in restaurants lovers, could have a colony of their own.

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