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4 hours ago, Mainecoons said:

I would say waving a sign about being underwater in 2050 is more based on emotion than education and rational deliberation.

Speaking of well known tactics, it is a well known one of a certain political persuasion these days to put kids in front of a camera waving slogans they can't begin to understand in order to appeal to the emotions.

Young people are under the influence of adults.  That was the case when I was young and even more so now in this heated and politicized environment the true believers have created.  When we were young it never occurred to us to go out in the streets and tell the grown ups how to run things.

BTW I missed the links to all the demonstrations by children in China and the other big emerging polluters.  Could you post them please?

 


Today's young people are much better educated and informed and they are capable to think for themselves.

It's sad to label and insult an entire generation as an old person whatever your arguments and reasons are.

 

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What makes you so sure they don't understand? That's a statement designed to belittle and dismiss their concerns and you have zero idea what they're willing to do to change things, including living a

So proud of them. They are really digging in on this one - all over the world. Greta (15 years old) from Norway has been nominated for a nobel prize (she famously told the United Nations conference "W

You mean like the Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa, the founder of Greenpeace who was imprisoned and beaten, the head of the Canadian cannabis legalisation movement who was extradited to the U.S. and served

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Sure could have fooled me.  Half think socialism is a great idea and when they are asked what it is, they haven't a clue.  Most can't pass the U.S. citizenship test.  

Don't confuse years in the classrooms with being better educated.  There is 

You can practically guess the age of people on the internet by how many incorrectly spelled words and poorly put together sentences they use.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43397386/ns/us_news-life/t/report-students-dont-know-much-about-us-history/

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"The history scores released today show that student performance is still too low," said Education Secretary Arne Duncan in a prepared statement. "These results tell us that, as a country, we are failing to provide children with a high-quality, well-rounded education."

Education experts say a heavy focus on reading and math under the federal No Child Left Behind law in the last decade has led to lagging performance in other subjects such as history and science.

"We need to make sure other subject like history, science and the arts are not forgotten in our pursuit of the basic skills," said Diane Ravitch, a research professor at New York University and former U.S. assistant education secretary.

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 Almost everyone strives to go, but almost no one asks the fundamental question posed by Academically Adrift: are undergraduates really learning anything once they get there?

For a large proportion of students, Richard Arum and Josipa Roksa’s answer to that question is a definitive no. Their extensive research draws on survey responses, transcript data, and, for the first time, the state-of-the-art Collegiate Learning Assessment, a standardized test administered to students in their first semester and then again at the end of their second year. According to their analysis of more than 2,300 undergraduates at twenty-four institutions, 45 percent of these students demonstrate no significant improvement in a range of skills—including critical thinking, complex reasoning, and writing—during their first two years of college. As troubling as their findings are, Arum and Roksa argue that for many faculty and administrators they will come as no surprise—instead, they are the expected result of a student body distracted by socializing or working and an institutional culture that puts undergraduate learning close to the bottom of the priority list.

https://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/A/bo10327226.html

People who are well educated in science and technology don't get sucked into simplistic thinking of the type these demonstrations featured almost exclusively.  This is an extremely complex ecological and technical situation and it won't be cured easily if at all.  The fact remains there are too many of us trying to live at a higher standard of living and fouling up the climate, ecology and even the social structure of humanity.

No, sorry, they aren't better educated or informed.  That is why it is so easy to herd them into these demonstrations.

 

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2 hours ago, Kyle said:

Sorry it never occurred to you MC to question adults.  Looking back we probably should have questioned them more.  So proud of this new generation, they have learned to think for themselves and question what they are told.  They give me hope.  I too protested the Vietnam war and am proud that I did

Yep, they question about Socialism, love its benefits,  and think for themselves that "free" stuff provided by the governments is the way to live ones life. And, you were  probably one of those who spit on us when we returned from there and called us "baby killers" from your privileged life style. ! :(

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Lily H said:

You are a sad person with a broken soul. You are stubborn and must have been deeply hurt. 

I am sorry.

That is terrible of you to say that. Resorting to the emotional level is a cheap trick. Shame on you ! But, that is a common practice for people who cannot win an intellectual debate.

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The main advantage that young people have over many of our leaders and legislators is that they have not been bought and paid for by the extractive industries and are not easily fooled by their lies. Notice that the demonstrations took place world-wide, in places where critical thinking is encouraged.

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55 minutes ago, Lily H said:

You are a sad person with a broken soul. You are stubborn and must have been deeply hurt. 

I am sorry.

I'm sorry you couldn't respond substantively and instead made personal comments.

 

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23 hours ago, Mainecoons said:

My ridicule is for the adults who organize this stuff.  The young people are just being used.

So I assume you are basing your ideas about how much young people understand on all the in-depth environmental and political discussions you have on a regular basis with teenagers?

Yes, there are plenty of kids who can't spell and whose reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. As could be said of many of the not-young people who post here. The dumb kids aren't the ones who are the movers and shakers in this movement. 

I guess you'd like to go back to the days when children were to be seen and not heard.

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17 minutes ago, jonnyintrouble said:

Would this be a bad time to post up some photos of my new Swiss Army knife?

If you show me your's, I'll show you mine. HAHAHA

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Young people understand love and passion, and how this can make a change. A great many adults lose, or give up, their love and passion as they age. Paying bills, fear of losing everything, a quiet desperation if you will. Some raise families, always with the hope that their children will do a little, or lot better than they did. But this is wrong. It is better to foster their love and passion, and the only hope part is that they can keep it longer than they did. Many more achievements in this world are the result of  love and passion, than money or power.

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What most people don't grasp are the socio economic implications of the massive decline in the standard of living required of the west, and the foregoing of improvement in standard of living required of everyone else in order to make a dent in this problem.  Emotion and passion don't change reality and when people actually start to experience what is really required here they will quickly lose their infatuation with this movement.

 

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3 minutes ago, Mainecoons said:

What most people don't grasp are the socio economic implications of the massive decline in the standard of living required of the west, and the foregoing of improvement in standard of living required of everyone else in order to make a dent in this problem.  Emotion and passion don't change reality and when people actually start to experience what is really required here they will quickly lose their infatuation with this movement.

You mean like the Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa, the founder of Greenpeace who was imprisoned and beaten, the head of the Canadian cannabis legalisation movement who was extradited to the U.S. and served 6 years for distributing cannabis seeds from a non-profit company? The talented writers, artists and musicians who struggle with poverty for years before they are finally recognised. I could go on with many examples. As Mtn Mama already noted, there are different perceptions of standards of living all over the world, and they certainly don't all look to the U.S. with admiration or jealousy. Would you rather praise the youngish man who took over a pharmaceutical company and raised the price on a critically needed drug by 2,000%?

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A quiet desperation - most think it is from a Pink Floyd song. But is from Henry Thoreau. it is often misquoted as:

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“Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and die with their song still inside them,”

Apolgies for this long article on Thoreau. Angus will enjoy it.

https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/really-avoid-living-life-quiet-desperation/

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4 hours ago, CHILLIN said:

You mean like the Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa, the founder of Greenpeace who was imprisoned and beaten, the head of the Canadian cannabis legalisation movement who was extradited to the U.S. and served 6 years for distributing cannabis seeds from a non-profit company? The talented writers, artists and musicians who struggle with poverty for years before they are finally recognised. I could go on with many examples. As Mtn Mama already noted, there are different perceptions of standards of living all over the world, and they certainly don't all look to the U.S. with admiration or jealousy. Would you rather praise the youngish man who took over a pharmaceutical company and raised the price on a critically needed drug by 2,000%?

Yeah let's all live like Mother Teresa.  Silly post Chillin.

 

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31 minutes ago, Mainecoons said:

Yeah let's all live like Mother Teresa.  Silly post Chillin.

Have you ever met any Benedictine Monk's? A lifetime of faith and hard work - all following their passion and love. Here is a slide show about Father Dunstan. These are works of true fresco, and true genius. His previous assistant went insane, and I found him an experienced assistant. Around 1:44 there is a picture of him, Edward Sawatzky, who was my own assistant on many projects. He was 93 and could still climb the scaffolds like a monkey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3CqGzB1G0U

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This thread has veered off into a direction where most of us part company.  I suggest that at this point we declare "peace" and stop insulting each others' intelligence and emotions.  This is no longer a debate about substance, is it?

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Let's take a closer look at these young devils and listen to what they have to say. I defy you, MC, to factually verify your claims that these particular young people are poorly educated, misinformed and being manipulated by adults.

 

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2 hours ago, Jim Bowie said:

Worth a listen, for those with an open mind (those with a closed mind, don't waste your time):

https://www.foxnews.com/science/10-times-experts-predicted-the-world-would-end-by-now

A simple Google search reveals that Daniel Turner has a history as a public relations operative for, among others, the Charles Koch Institute. He also has some experience in planning weddings. He doesn't have any background or education in science. His Power the Future organization is a dark money 501(c)(4) organization, that is not required to identify the source of its funding. It appears to be yet another Koch Brothers front group; however, due to the nature of dark money organizations, that cannot be confirmed. While he doesn't know his ### from a hole in the ground when it comes to climate change, he does know how to get airtime on Fox TV. Turner and Carlson both seem to be math-challenged as well as deficient in reading comprehension. That IPCC report referred to in the interview was issued in 2018...so we're down to 11 years now. The report does not say that the world ends in 2030. It says civilization has until that time to respond to global warming in order to mitigate catastrophic climate change in the future.

(I am increasingly convinced that the likes of Jim Bowie, Hud, Hook Em Horns, and a few others who post on this forum, who I refer to as the "Texas Taliban," are fake characters created by MC. If you read TOB, you may be aware that MC has been exposed for creating fake screen identities in order to post there since he is banned from that forum. Sorry I wasted my time in watching the clip and responding to it.)

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