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A simple explanation

 

A farmer has a cow.  Under Capitalism the farmer sells the milk and buys a second cow

Under Socialism the farmer has a cow and the government takes the milk.

Under Communism the farmer has a cow the government takes the cow and the milk.

In a Dictatorship the farmer has a cow.  The government takes the cow and shoots the farmer.

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5 minutes ago, rafterbr said:

A simple explanation

 

A farmer has a cow.  Under Capitalism the farmer sells the milk and buys a second cow

Under Socialism the farmer has a cow and the government takes the milk.

Under Communism the farmer has a cow the government takes the cow and the milk.

In a Dictatorship the farmer has a cow.  The government takes the cow and shoots the farmer.

More likely a moronic explanation, go back to school son, you missed a lot of learnin' stuff.

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2 hours ago, HoneyBee said:

Being a Swiss national, I can tell you that if a car drove down the main street of Geneva powered with a big V8 engine, the entire population would stop and look. The only type of engine in European cars are 4 cylinders (or maybe 6). Yet the upcoming Detroit international car show seems for FORD anyway to showcase gas guzzlers (pickups and SUV's). Luckily there is still some brain left in the US where many are hoping to own a TSLA.

I was in the US in the 70's when sh..t hit the fan, it was not pretty.

I really wonder how much brain it takes to drive a coal or nuclear powered Tesla.Statistically that is what fuels most of them.

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On 1/13/2019 at 4:08 PM, TechnoNorm said:

 Avacado shipments would be able to satisfy Super Bowl demand.

Lest we forget - Avocados were banned from Mexico to U.S.A. for many years. American corporate interests did not want the competition, and government did as it was told, just like good little puppets should.

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2 minutes ago, geeser said:

I really wonder how much brain it takes to drive a coal or nuclear powered Tesla.Statistically that is what fuels most of them.

I don't think the word you are reaching for is "statistically", but rather "historically", and things are changing very quickly. Canada still has more hydroelectric generated electricity than it knows how to deal with, commerical output solar panels are at their lowest price ever, The issue is electrical storage, and there will be many exciting breakthoughs announced this year.

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20 minutes ago, rafterbr said:

I guess where you went to school they never taught satire!

Sure they did, but I didn't like the Latin stuff, like The Satyricon

you missed a couple:

VENTURE CAPITALISM You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, and then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more.

and this one too:

Why is Christmas like capitalism? You do all the work and some fat guy who does a day's worth of work a year gets all the credit.

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On 1/13/2019 at 6:48 PM, ea93105 said:

California has avocados too and supply and demand will simply raise prices of avocados in California and superbowlers can easily afford the price increase

Most of California's avocado groves which destroyed by the fires  which were so wide spread, thus the demand for Mexican avocados has been in high demand. This has also resulted in the high price of them here.

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On 1/13/2019 at 7:37 PM, TechnoNorm said:

Ferret you are absolutely right, cargo trucks / taxistas / others who depend for their living needing fuel, and their access to fuel is limited by lines and unavailability.

With higher prices the availability increases, and the hours to get what they need for their business, decreases.

Venezeula gov't has reduced authorized prices, and a result very little is available . . . prices low, but near zero availability. They have prohibited pre dawn  lines.

Fjdel CASTRO was right, it is obscene to power SUVs with food.

Your sentiment is right, we should not deny those who depend on fuel for their livelyhood, BUT that is NOT what happens, if fuel is only somewhat available

I'll only fuel my vehicles once fuel is available to those who depend on fuel for their livelyhoods, BUT those who depend on fuel should have access to it  . . .  and THAT depends on supply and demand pricing.

Those who favor the gov't controlled prices, as we have, might feel better in Cuba & Venezuela.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gas stations can charge any price they want per liter in Mexico since the federal energy reform of 2015 went into effect 3 years ago. Your info. is outdated. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN0GB26R20140811

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As I understand it from a well researched New York Times story, gas shortages in Mexico  have occurred because when the planning strategy to combat corruption and pipeline theft was developed government relied on local gas stations' reported sales. Given the figures they received the authorities believed that they could ensure a delivery system was in place which could meet consumer demands.However, once the pipeline shut down was imposed,  the government discovered that, in some states, local gas stations had lied about the amount of gas they were selling and therefore needed. In fact, they were running a corrupt scam selling undisclosed, cheaply brought black market gas at Pemex prices to every motorist using their pumps. Nice profit! That's why the reported demand did not reflect the actual consumer demand and the supply system fell short. What a rip off, but  let the blame fall where it really should. 

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16 hours ago, rafterbr said:

A simple explanation

 

A farmer has a cow.  Under Capitalism the farmer sells the milk and buys a second cow

Under Socialism the farmer has a cow and the government takes the milk.

Under Communism the farmer has a cow the government takes the cow and the milk.

In a Dictatorship the farmer has a cow.  The government takes the cow and shoots the farmer.

Excellent and simple description.

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11 hours ago, luvsdawgs said:

Most of California's avocado groves which destroyed by the fires  which were so wide spread, thus the demand for Mexican avocados has been in high demand. This has also resulted in the high price of them here.

I cannot find stories anywhere on the Web to back up that statement. Overly hot growing season in 2017 is the closest I can find to damaged crops, and certainly not entire groves.

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10 hours ago, Gerry said:

IAs I understand it from a well researched New York Times story, gas shortages in Mexico  have occurred because when the planning strategy to combat corruption and pipeline theft was developed government relied on local gas stations' reported sales. Given the figures they received the authorities believed that they could ensure a delivery system was in place which could meet consumer demands.However, once the pipeline shut down was imposed,  the government discovered that, in some states, local gas stations had lied about the amount of gas they were selling and therefore needed. In fact, they were running a corrupt scam selling undisclosed, cheaply brought black market gas at Pemex prices to every motorist using their pumps. Nice profit! That's why the reported demand did not reflect the actual consumer demand and the supply system fell short. What a rip off, but  let the blame fall where it really should. 

It doesn't make sense that the government planning strategy to combat theft relied solely on gas stations' reported sales.  They had at least a ballpark estimate of how much money they were losing annually to theft (and presumably the approximate amount of gasoline).  Were they naively assuming the stations would include in their sales reports the amount of stolen gasoline they sold?  Did they assume the stolen gasoline was not being diverted for sale and consumption (and thus part of the total supply)?  Seems to me they had to know there would a shortfall equal to the amount of gasoline stolen.  Am I missing something? 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, ComputerGuy said:

I cannot find stories anywhere on the Web to back up that statement. Overly hot growing season in 2017 is the closest I can find to damaged crops, and certainly not entire groves.

Don't you remember when the truckloads of avocados were not allowed to cross the border? It was a snafu, the info had not gotten to the border people that the avocados were allowed to be imported to the US.

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10 minutes ago, Orygun Duck said:

It doesn't make sense that the government planning strategy to combat theft relied solely on gas stations' reported sales.  They had at least a ballpark estimate of how much money they were losing annually to theft (and presumably the approximate amount of gasoline).  Were they naively assuming the stations would include in their sales reports the amount of stolen gasoline they sold?  Did they assume the stolen gasoline was not being diverted for sale and consumption (and thus part of the total supply)?  Seems to me they had to know there would a shortfall equal to the amount of gasoline stolen.  Am I missing something? 

 

 

Pemex stations are franchises. They were aware that gas was stolen but I think it was a huge surprise the number of stations that were selling stolen gas. Those stations will probably lose their franchises, the franchisees will be heavily fined and probably face jail time.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."

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52 minutes ago, luvsdawgs said:

Don't you remember when the truckloads of avocados were not allowed to cross the border? It was a snafu, the info had not gotten to the border people that the avocados were allowed to be imported to the US.

Oh yeah, very much so. But recall until a couple of years ago the trade agreement would not even allow Mexican avocados into the U.S., and that triggered that. Now it is lack of gasoline for trucks delivering avocados to the north. But that is what is being claimed as the issue, not ruined crops.

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1 hour ago, dennis clark said:

Any news on availability for gas today that can be shared ?

Filled up at the Los Sabinos BP last evening. 

$500 peso maximum limit per vehicle and it took me a total of 35 minutes from when I got into line to when I drove away. 

I don't know what that station's status is this morning. 

 

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Went by the Pemex, at the strart of the carretera to Guadalajara. Lineups at the gas pumps, my diesel pump sitting lonely, all on its own. Funny thing though, I was running about 1/8 th tank, asked for a 1,000 pesos day before yesterday - this filled the tank, first time that has happened. This is a large tank for long off road treks.

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