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There is a failure in the system to deliver sufficient fuel to gas stations, BUT the lines to buy gasoline ultimately result because gas stations can not offer gasoline at higher prices.
Supply & Demand has been inhibited by federal regulation. Were gas stations allowed to sell at whatever price the market would pay, there would be fewer (or no) lines; cargo trucks and taxistas would have ample supply. Avacado shipments would be able to satisfy Super Bowl demand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes, but in this case you can't rely on Supply and Demand as Pemex has been a monopoly from 1938-2015. So eventually we will have non-Pemex stations with their own imported fuel or from a supplier of their choice. So if the only fuel available is from Pemex they set the cost and set the price at their captive stations. Instead of fighting theft and corruption. Pemex found it more to raise prices to cover that level of evil. So today Mexico is stuck with theft and corruption  and the threat of new competitors coming into the market with their own supply of fuel. A couple of years ago there was an article about how many ghost employees were on the Pemex payroll. They had time cards filled out by someone and received a check but were never seen or didn't exist. Private enterprise can't afford that luxury.

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18 minutes ago, bmh said:

in France gas is twice as much as here and you still have high demand and then you have riots because prices are too high not a decreases consumption. 

 

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I suspect Mexico has more petroleum than France. France's riots are over new fuel taxes to help reduce carbon dioxide. The people are seeing that this is a hoax. 

In Europe a huge percentage of the cost of fuel was already consisted of taxes. 

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2 minutes ago, geeser said:

I suspect Mexico has more petroleum than France. France's riots are over new fuel taxes to help reduce carbon dioxide. The people are seeing that this is a hoax. 

In Europe a huge percentage of the cost of fuel was already consisted of taxes. 

incorrect totally, France hs riots because the low part of the middle class is strangled. No they do not see it as a hoax and they lnow the main part of the price of gas is tax. They do not want more taxes period.

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3 minutes ago, bmh said:

incorrect totally, France hs riots because the low part of the middle class is strangled. No they do not see it as a hoax and they lnow the main part of the price of gas is tax. They do not want more taxes period.

You are sure reading different articles and letters from France than I am.

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1 minute ago, bmh said:

incorrect totally, France hs riots because the low part of the middle class is strangled. No they do not see it as a hoax and they lnow the main part of the price of gas is tax. They do not want more taxes period.

France i would suggest, thinks its a multi cultural society,  sadly the the people involved hate each other, and the anarchist are taking advantage of tne discont

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22 minutes ago, bmh said:

incorrect totally, France hs riots because the low part of the middle class is strangled. No they do not see it as a hoax and they lnow the main part of the price of gas is tax. They do not want more taxes period.

Here is an article from today on cause of riots: 

What are they protesting against?

"Macron’s government has imposed several climate change-related fuel taxes in recent months — including another slated to take effect in January. Macron says the taxes are meant to encourage drivers to exchange diesel-fuelled vehicles for more environmentally-friendly models, but many middle-class French citizens say the taxes are squeezing them to the breaking point"

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The French are just being the French.  When I was in the United Kingdom,  England and France got in a row over import of agricultural products.  So the French burned the American flag.

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The demonstrations and riots have taken place every week-end for 9 weeks and people come to Paris to protest, I think these are really serious and more than the French being the French. It reminds everyone there of May 68..The French are sick of paying crzy taxes and being under so many restrictions, they do not care for the president which they look at as an elitist who has no clue.. and  no one knows if it will peter out or if it will get worse.. People are sick of the middle class gong poorer and poorer and the rich richer, sounds familiar?

 

The farmers go crazy on a regular basis as they have received a lot of helped offer the years and now they have to compete against the other European countries  which can be tough for them although I really do not know a poor farmer there.

 

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2 hours ago, TechnoNorm said:

There is a failure in the system to deliver sufficient fuel to gas stations, BUT the lines to buy gasoline ultimately result because gas stations can not offer gasoline at higher prices.
Supply & Demand has been inhibited by federal regulation. Were gas stations allowed to sell at whatever price the market would pay, there would be fewer (or no) lines; cargo trucks and taxistas would have ample supply. Avacado shipments would be able to satisfy Super Bowl demand.

 

This post has made me angry. What you are really saying is that those who can pay more should get gas and screw the poor working guy on a budget. What should really be happening is that those who are retired and can afford pricy large tank SUV's should be limited in the amount of gas they can get or cut off completely since they can obviously afford taxis to wherever they want to go.

My car is parked until the situation is resolved. Gas is for the people who need it to get to work or to do their work. Period.

 

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24 minutes ago, Ferret said:

This post has made me angry. What you are really saying is that those who can pay more should get gas and screw the poor working guy on a budget. What should really be happening is that those who are retired and can afford pricy large tank SUV's should be limited in the amount of gas they can get or cut off completely since they can obviously afford taxis to wherever they want to go.

My car is parked until the situation is resolved. Gas is for the people who need it to get to work or to do their work. Period.

 

Free markets work, Socialism sucks!

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2 hours ago, TechnoNorm said:

There is a failure in the system to deliver sufficient fuel to gas stations, BUT the lines to buy gasoline ultimately result because gas stations can not offer gasoline at higher prices.
Supply & Demand has been inhibited by federal regulation. Were gas stations allowed to sell at whatever price the market would pay, there would be fewer (or no) lines; cargo trucks and taxistas would have ample supply. Avacado shipments would be able to satisfy Super Bowl demand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

California has avocados too and supply and demand will simply raise prices of avocados in California and superbowlers can easily afford the price increase

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Ferret you are absolutely right, cargo trucks / taxistas / others who depend for their living needing fuel, and their access to fuel is limited by lines and unavailability.

With higher prices the availability increases, and the hours to get what they need for their business, decreases.

Venezeula gov't has reduced authorized prices, and a result very little is available . . . prices low, but near zero availability. They have prohibited pre dawn  lines.

Fjdel CASTRO was right, it is obscene to power SUVs with food.

Your sentiment is right, we should not deny those who depend on fuel for their livelyhood, BUT that is NOT what happens, if fuel is only somewhat available

I'll only fuel my vehicles once fuel is available to those who depend on fuel for their livelyhoods, BUT those who depend on fuel should have access to it  . . .  and THAT depends on supply and demand pricing.

Those who favor the gov't controlled prices, as we have, might feel better in Cuba & Venezuela.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, ComputerGuy said:

Not only that, but completely wrong-headed. Once again, he refuses to recognize the difference between communism and socialism.

He obviously does not know the difference. The difference is huge.

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Communism and socialism are economic and political structures that promote equality and seek to eliminate social classes. The two are interchangeable in some ways, but different in others.In a communist society, the working class owns everything, and everyone works toward the same communal goal. There are no wealthy or poor people -- all are equal   (except for ranking party members and their friends and families)  and the community distributes what it produces based only on need. Nothing is obtained by working more than what is required. Communism frequently results in low production, mass poverty and limited advancement. Poverty spread so widely in the Soviet Union in the 1980s that its citizens revolted.

Like communism, socialism’s main focus is on equality. But workers earn wages they can spend as they choose, while the government, not citizens, owns and operates the means for production. Workers receive what they need to produce and survive, but there’s no incentive to achieve more, leaving little motivation. Some countries have adopted aspects of socialism. The United Kingdom provides basic needs like healthcare to everyone regardless of their time or effort at work. In the U.S., welfare and the public education system are a form of socialism. Both often use price controls resulting in shortages.  Both are the opposite of capitalism.

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Being a Swiss national, I can tell you that if a car drove down the main street of Geneva powered with a big V8 engine, the entire population would stop and look. The only type of engine in European cars are 4 cylinders (or maybe 6). Yet the upcoming Detroit international car show seems for FORD anyway to showcase gas guzzlers (pickups and SUV's). Luckily there is still some brain left in the US where many are hoping to own a TSLA.

I was in the US in the 70's when sh..t hit the fan, it was not pretty.

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With fuel in Lakeland FL at $1.86 per gallon it is not surprising that drivers in the USA like their high powered vehicles.  If you are a rural driver and occasionally have to tow a trailer full of 1 ton hay bales, that power is nice.  So Ford et al highlight the vehicles.   And production of compact sedans in the USA is being shut down.  I drive a big SUV to go fom here to the States towing my trailer.  But am looking for a compact sedan to drive in the towns here.

Note my avitar to see what I think the optimal vehicle is for driving around Ajijic.  But I wouldn't drive it to Guad or to Mexico City. 

The point being that one matches their choice of vehicle to their needs and abilities.  The car manufacturers supply what is demanded.

 

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