TechnoNorm Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 There is a failure in the system to deliver sufficient fuel to gas stations, BUT the lines to buy gasoline ultimately result because gas stations can not offer gasoline at higher prices. Supply & Demand has been inhibited by federal regulation. Were gas stations allowed to sell at whatever price the market would pay, there would be fewer (or no) lines; cargo trucks and taxistas would have ample supply. Avacado shipments would be able to satisfy Super Bowl demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeser Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 Yes, but in this case you can't rely on Supply and Demand as Pemex has been a monopoly from 1938-2015. So eventually we will have non-Pemex stations with their own imported fuel or from a supplier of their choice. So if the only fuel available is from Pemex they set the cost and set the price at their captive stations. Instead of fighting theft and corruption. Pemex found it more to raise prices to cover that level of evil. So today Mexico is stuck with theft and corruption and the threat of new competitors coming into the market with their own supply of fuel. A couple of years ago there was an article about how many ghost employees were on the Pemex payroll. They had time cards filled out by someone and received a check but were never seen or didn't exist. Private enterprise can't afford that luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 in France gas is twice as much as here and you still have high demand and then you have riots because prices are too high not a decreases consumption. lo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeser Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, bmh said: in France gas is twice as much as here and you still have high demand and then you have riots because prices are too high not a decreases consumption. lo I suspect Mexico has more petroleum than France. France's riots are over new fuel taxes to help reduce carbon dioxide. The people are seeing that this is a hoax. In Europe a huge percentage of the cost of fuel was already consisted of taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, geeser said: I suspect Mexico has more petroleum than France. France's riots are over new fuel taxes to help reduce carbon dioxide. The people are seeing that this is a hoax. In Europe a huge percentage of the cost of fuel was already consisted of taxes. incorrect totally, France hs riots because the low part of the middle class is strangled. No they do not see it as a hoax and they lnow the main part of the price of gas is tax. They do not want more taxes period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeser Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, bmh said: incorrect totally, France hs riots because the low part of the middle class is strangled. No they do not see it as a hoax and they lnow the main part of the price of gas is tax. They do not want more taxes period. You are sure reading different articles and letters from France than I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, bmh said: incorrect totally, France hs riots because the low part of the middle class is strangled. No they do not see it as a hoax and they lnow the main part of the price of gas is tax. They do not want more taxes period. France i would suggest, thinks its a multi cultural society, sadly the the people involved hate each other, and the anarchist are taking advantage of tne discont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeser Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, bmh said: incorrect totally, France hs riots because the low part of the middle class is strangled. No they do not see it as a hoax and they lnow the main part of the price of gas is tax. They do not want more taxes period. Here is an article from today on cause of riots: What are they protesting against? "Macron’s government has imposed several climate change-related fuel taxes in recent months — including another slated to take effect in January. Macron says the taxes are meant to encourage drivers to exchange diesel-fuelled vehicles for more environmentally-friendly models, but many middle-class French citizens say the taxes are squeezing them to the breaking point" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafterbr Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 The French are just being the French. When I was in the United Kingdom, England and France got in a row over import of agricultural products. So the French burned the American flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 The demonstrations and riots have taken place every week-end for 9 weeks and people come to Paris to protest, I think these are really serious and more than the French being the French. It reminds everyone there of May 68..The French are sick of paying crzy taxes and being under so many restrictions, they do not care for the president which they look at as an elitist who has no clue.. and no one knows if it will peter out or if it will get worse.. People are sick of the middle class gong poorer and poorer and the rich richer, sounds familiar? The farmers go crazy on a regular basis as they have received a lot of helped offer the years and now they have to compete against the other European countries which can be tough for them although I really do not know a poor farmer there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, TechnoNorm said: There is a failure in the system to deliver sufficient fuel to gas stations, BUT the lines to buy gasoline ultimately result because gas stations can not offer gasoline at higher prices. Supply & Demand has been inhibited by federal regulation. Were gas stations allowed to sell at whatever price the market would pay, there would be fewer (or no) lines; cargo trucks and taxistas would have ample supply. Avacado shipments would be able to satisfy Super Bowl demand. This post has made me angry. What you are really saying is that those who can pay more should get gas and screw the poor working guy on a budget. What should really be happening is that those who are retired and can afford pricy large tank SUV's should be limited in the amount of gas they can get or cut off completely since they can obviously afford taxis to wherever they want to go. My car is parked until the situation is resolved. Gas is for the people who need it to get to work or to do their work. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringohombre Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, Ferret said: This post has made me angry. What you are really saying is that those who can pay more should get gas and screw the poor working guy on a budget. What should really be happening is that those who are retired and can afford pricy large tank SUV's should be limited in the amount of gas they can get or cut off completely since they can obviously afford taxis to wherever they want to go. My car is parked until the situation is resolved. Gas is for the people who need it to get to work or to do their work. Period. Free markets work, Socialism sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ea93105 Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, TechnoNorm said: There is a failure in the system to deliver sufficient fuel to gas stations, BUT the lines to buy gasoline ultimately result because gas stations can not offer gasoline at higher prices. Supply & Demand has been inhibited by federal regulation. Were gas stations allowed to sell at whatever price the market would pay, there would be fewer (or no) lines; cargo trucks and taxistas would have ample supply. Avacado shipments would be able to satisfy Super Bowl demand. California has avocados too and supply and demand will simply raise prices of avocados in California and superbowlers can easily afford the price increase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, gringohombre said: Free markets work, Socialism sucks! Why do you have to plop your POLITICAL bs into so many threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerGuy Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Not only that, but completely wrong-headed. Once again, he refuses to recognize the difference between communism and socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnoNorm Posted January 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Ferret you are absolutely right, cargo trucks / taxistas / others who depend for their living needing fuel, and their access to fuel is limited by lines and unavailability. With higher prices the availability increases, and the hours to get what they need for their business, decreases. Venezeula gov't has reduced authorized prices, and a result very little is available . . . prices low, but near zero availability. They have prohibited pre dawn lines. Fjdel CASTRO was right, it is obscene to power SUVs with food. Your sentiment is right, we should not deny those who depend on fuel for their livelyhood, BUT that is NOT what happens, if fuel is only somewhat available I'll only fuel my vehicles once fuel is available to those who depend on fuel for their livelyhoods, BUT those who depend on fuel should have access to it . . . and THAT depends on supply and demand pricing. Those who favor the gov't controlled prices, as we have, might feel better in Cuba & Venezuela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 16 hours ago, gringohombre said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Bizco Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, ComputerGuy said: Not only that, but completely wrong-headed. Once again, he refuses to recognize the difference between communism and socialism. Nor can he see the difference between capitalism and democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vetteforron Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 My daughter old me in Lakeland Florida told me she filled up for 1.89 a gallon. No shortages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedros Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 12 hours ago, ComputerGuy said: Not only that, but completely wrong-headed. Once again, he refuses to recognize the difference between communism and socialism. He obviously does not know the difference. The difference is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeser Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Communism and socialism are economic and political structures that promote equality and seek to eliminate social classes. The two are interchangeable in some ways, but different in others.In a communist society, the working class owns everything, and everyone works toward the same communal goal. There are no wealthy or poor people -- all are equal (except for ranking party members and their friends and families) and the community distributes what it produces based only on need. Nothing is obtained by working more than what is required. Communism frequently results in low production, mass poverty and limited advancement. Poverty spread so widely in the Soviet Union in the 1980s that its citizens revolted. Like communism, socialism’s main focus is on equality. But workers earn wages they can spend as they choose, while the government, not citizens, owns and operates the means for production. Workers receive what they need to produce and survive, but there’s no incentive to achieve more, leaving little motivation. Some countries have adopted aspects of socialism. The United Kingdom provides basic needs like healthcare to everyone regardless of their time or effort at work. In the U.S., welfare and the public education system are a form of socialism. Both often use price controls resulting in shortages. Both are the opposite of capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Anyways this has nothing to do with an economic socialist plan but with cartels and others stealing gas. It is pretty funny how some US citizen are scared of socialism when they have never lived in a socialist government.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 This report in the morning El Informador: https://www.informador.mx/economia/Pemex-regulariza-venta-de-combustible-en-diversos-estados-20190114-0057.html They claim they are catching up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyBee Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 Being a Swiss national, I can tell you that if a car drove down the main street of Geneva powered with a big V8 engine, the entire population would stop and look. The only type of engine in European cars are 4 cylinders (or maybe 6). Yet the upcoming Detroit international car show seems for FORD anyway to showcase gas guzzlers (pickups and SUV's). Luckily there is still some brain left in the US where many are hoping to own a TSLA. I was in the US in the 70's when sh..t hit the fan, it was not pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo-Rick Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 With fuel in Lakeland FL at $1.86 per gallon it is not surprising that drivers in the USA like their high powered vehicles. If you are a rural driver and occasionally have to tow a trailer full of 1 ton hay bales, that power is nice. So Ford et al highlight the vehicles. And production of compact sedans in the USA is being shut down. I drive a big SUV to go fom here to the States towing my trailer. But am looking for a compact sedan to drive in the towns here. Note my avitar to see what I think the optimal vehicle is for driving around Ajijic. But I wouldn't drive it to Guad or to Mexico City. The point being that one matches their choice of vehicle to their needs and abilities. The car manufacturers supply what is demanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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