AngusMactavish Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, mudgirl said: You obviously didn't comprehend what I wrote. The analogy was about turning a blind eye to something, or declining to get involved simply because you don't perceive it as personally affecting you. I am not turning a blind eye, I too can see the mountains. Not being a citizen, I have no voice, but short of that, I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 How very very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 25 minutes ago, AngusMactavish said: I am not turning a blind eye, I too can see the mountains. Not being a citizen, I have no voice, but short of that, I don't care. Not being a citizen doesn't mean you don't have a voice- you choose to keep silent. As a non-citizen, you can't vote in elections nor run for political office, nor involve yourself in politics. Degradation of the environment, overtaxing already stretched infrastructure, traffic congestion and pollution aren't political issues- they're social and environmental issues. But as you said, you don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ea93105 Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 hours ago, johanson said: And once we drain the lake for our drinking water, they can build the new airport where the lake was. In 2002 the lake was so low that some people believed that soon Guadalajara would need so much water that the water in the lake would be drained. The experts knew better but there were those who believed this and moved. The Cota got down to 91.07 meters in 2002. Today the Cota or lake level is 96.73 meters which is some 5.67 meter or almost some 19 feet higher than it was only 16 years ago. To see the lake levels over the years go to www.ajijicweather.com Towards the left, there is a column titled Weather Links. Look below that title and go to each of the two Lake Level links. I miss the Riberas golf course, anyone else ?. My mother would walk her dog along the shore line and feed the horses carrots,. Fantastic 360 view but marred by a huge scar in the mountains, the road carved into the steep mountain off the libramiento, for expensive homes with views ( a development which never took off ). How many more hideous scars like that will we see ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 I wonder why " no one" has raised concern for the huge expansion of Driscoll MXberry farm's that have and are occurring, albeit on the West and South side of the lake. The plastic covers are very visible from the northside and their water usage must be tremendous . Berries whilst delious are not a vital food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerGuy Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 I got out of this discussion because I gave up on "I know you are, but what am I?" round about grade 5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaffe Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 I like the idea of an organization buying up the mountains and making it a national park. Didn’t a philanthropist but up a huge amount of land in Patagonia? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-39292600 It’s been done so it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercasa Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 Greedy. They got the land for free and have made more money from extorting money out of adjoining landowners than farming. The landowners are as guilty as all the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Taaffe said: I like the idea of an organization buying up the mountains and making it a national park. Didn’t a philanthropist but up a huge amount of land in Patagonia? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-39292600 It’s been done so it can be done. The woman who started the company Burt's Bees, Roxanne Quimby (who I used to ride the school bus with back in grade 5) went from being a poor single mom who made a few products in her home and selling them in the local farmers market, using honey and beeswax she bought from a local beekeeper named Burt, to parlaying it into a multimillion dollar business, then started another business, and set up the Quimby foundation, which funds students taking environmental studies, among other things. She has privately bought up thousands of acres of the Maine forests, where she lives, to preserve them from development and other degradation. As you can imagine, she is both revered and despised for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vetteforron Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 9 hours ago, lakeside7 said: I wonder why " no one" has raised concern for the huge expansion of Driscoll MXberry farm's that have and are occurring, albeit on the West and South side of the lake. The plastic covers are very visible from the northside and their water usage must be tremendous . Berries whilst delious are not a vital food. Vitamin R for raspberry has got to be healthy. Somebody must be buying them hence so many thousands of acres of fruit. The berry fields are the life blood of Jocotepec. They employ thousands of people, not to mention all the suppliers of that plastic, irrigation, which is drip. The big companies give IMSS to the employees. The money earned is spent at the locals retailers. The Berry farmers pay a tremendous amount of taxes. Plus the divided hwy entering Joco has plants which are paid by the farmers. The parades are partially paid by the farmers. They buy trucks and tractors and so much more. Also I see warehousing which must employ hundreds. Everybody benefits. I also cringe when I see all the construction here at lakeside but I am in Guadalajara normally twice a week and there are yuge buildings going up everywhere. I think about traffic every time I make the trips. Every trip I am in a back up. Merry Christmas to all of Chapala.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 Comparing Driscoll farming to some luxury condo construction which are spec sin the mountain is apple and oranges. Driscoll stays in the flats and provides good jobs to the people of Joco a little different from the construction projects that are giving nothing to the community thanks to the wonderful government that could make them improve the infrastructure and pay for green space. The projects in the hills are a drain on the infrastructure , Driscoll is a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 21 hours ago, Tiny said: So you are not interested in buying the $800,000+ house that is advertised on this web site. HAHAHAHA If I had a spare $800,000 kicking around, I'd use it to pay off my kids' mortgages and car loans, set up an education trust for my grandkids, and donate to charities that help those less fortunate than myself and those that work towards saving the environment. I'm sure I'd buy myself a few nice things (a brand new vehicle that didn't require constant repairs would be a treat), but no, I wouldn't be using it to wallow in the lap of luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunshineyDay Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 hours ago, mudgirl said: If I had a spare $800,000 kicking around, I'd use it to pay off my kids' mortgages and car loans, set up an education trust for my grandkids, and donate to charities that help those less fortunate than myself and those that work towards saving the environment. I'm sure I'd buy myself a few nice things (a brand new vehicle that didn't require constant repairs would be a treat), but no, I wouldn't be using it to wallow in the lap of luxury. I agree with you but remember that is, and should be, your free choice. Others have a right to a free choice too. If you support or allow government to take away their free choice, sooner or later someone will take yours. Bear that in mind. Freedom creates prosperity and the greatest good for the greatest number. Totalitarian socialism creates...Venezuela and Cuba to name just a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiny Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 5 hours ago, mudgirl said: If I had a spare $800,000 kicking around, I'd use it to pay off my kids' mortgages and car loans, set up an education trust for my grandkids, and donate to charities that help those less fortunate than myself and those that work towards saving the environment. I'm sure I'd buy myself a few nice things (a brand new vehicle that didn't require constant repairs would be a treat), but no, I wouldn't be using it to wallow in the lap of luxury. Why would I want to spoil my kids and grandkid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Mainecoons said: I agree with you but remember that is, and should be, your free choice. Others have a right to a free choice too. If you support or allow government to take away their free choice, sooner or later someone will take yours. Bear that in mind. Freedom creates prosperity and the greatest good for the greatest number. Totalitarian socialism creates...Venezuela and Cuba to name just a few. Oh, please. You seem to think you're talking to some kid with a dictator fantasy. I don't have to be "reminded" that my choices are mine and that everyone is entitled to choose what works for them, how condescending. But we don't allow people to choose to murder others, or choose to break into your home or steal your car- there are laws in civilized society about that. If you want a multimillion dollar home on a mountaintop and can afford to have one, go for it. But if going for it means that will negatively impact the quality of life for the rest of the community and the planet in general, then there need to be laws against that, just as there are laws against other criminal, antisocial activity. Just because my musical taste might lean towards rock and roll or world beat, and my neighbor prefers techno or country and western, my neighbor is perfectly welcome to enjoy his musical choices as far as I'm concerned. But if he sets up giant speakers in the window facing my house, and blasts his music all day and night, he is imposing his choices on me, and I'm certainly going to do everything I can to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 reminds me of the quote of Benito Juarez : "!Among individual, as among nations, respects for the rights of others is peace:" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 On 12/18/2018 at 2:44 PM, Tiny said: So you are not interested in buying the $800,000+ house that is advertised on this web site. HAHAHAHA And beautiful calming evening picture from this very house (from 10 years ago} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiny Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 51 minutes ago, Islander said: And beautiful calming evening picture from this very house (from 10 years ago} And if you go to the following web page and look at the second small picture, you will see what the mountain looks like. https://cb.chapala.com/index.php/properties-listing/item/445-villa-panorama#fwreagencytop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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