Jocotopec mountain construction

[rafterbr]

Besides the El Tepalo housing construction development there appears to be a very large housing construction program being carried out on the hills south of Jocotepec.  Does anyone know anything about this and wouldn't this be in the same category as El Tepalo.

[Mainecoons]

South??

[rafterbr]

Yes South.  Above San Pedro Tesistan there is a company advertising the selling of thousands of lots in the mountains behind San Tesistan.  There are signs up all over Jocotepec announcing these sales.  Which makes me think many of the comments about El Tepalo may actually be about  Jocotepec.  If this is the case Chapala would have nothing to do with these sales.  They wold be under the jurisdiction of Jocotepec.                  

[lakeside7]

Separate town, municipal and different  project..you can go to the Joco site and make a purchase of lote and start  construction 

[vista lake]

Is bad for our mountains!! But What I now the mountains have owner like we are owner in our lot house!! So the Ejidatarios or Comunidad Indijena, they not like to work whit any goverment! And they have some ofert for the mountain and sell!! 😔

[lakeside7]

4 hours ago, vista lake said:

Is bad for our mountains!! But What I now the mountains have owner like we are owner in our lot house!! So the Ejidatarios or Comunidad Indijena, they not like to work whit any goverment! And they have some ofert for the mountain and sell!! 😔

Sorry but I am not sure what you are saying

[Earl]

To Lakeside 7, it seems clear to me that Vista Lake is saying that the owners of these mountains are the indigenous people who don't like to work with any government agency, and if they have a nice offer for their land, they sell it, just as we do with our property. Their concern is not what the new owners might do with the property or how development might ruin the view or the environment. 

[lakeside7]

3 hours ago, Earl said:

To Lakeside 7, it seems clear to me that Vista Lake is saying that the owners of these mountains are the indigenous people who don't like to work with any government agency, and if they have a nice offer for their land, they sell it, just as we do with our property. Their concern is not what the new owners might do with the property or how development might ruin the view or the environment. 

Many thanks for the translation

[bmh]

the indigenous community  in ajijic owns over 1000 hectares in the mountain and either have sold or are offering it for sale those are 30 hectares. Ejido land and communal land granted to indigenous are under different laws. The land in Ajijic was granted to the community in 1790 or so according to one of their representative and has nothing to do with jocotepec. 

ejido land is land taken from haciendas and redistributed to the community  during the agrarian Reform

 

 

[rafterbr]

Gracias bmh, I would have thought the indgenous community owned more land than this.  Gracias also to Vista Lake you have given me new insight to the mountain ownership problem.  The owners of the land have every right to sell their lands and if the gringo's don't like it let them buy the land and preserve it.

[bmh]

I am speaking strictly of Ajijic community, I do not know about San Juan or other towns. The number came from one of their members who spoke Saturday night and I do not know how correct that is.  No Ejidos and communal land cannot be offered for sale like it is. You are mistaken. 

The real point of the group is not who is selling or buying , the first point they made is that the Municipality cannot change zoning in secret. They have to have public meeting to bring the change of zoning to the people of the municipality. This was not done. The zoning change happened last March in secret. They also have to have environment studies before doing it and approving projects which was not done.

The 5 projects in Ajijic  are not all on ejido or communal land.. and we all know that private land  can be sold but the zoning cannot be change without hearing and that was not done. If you went to the meeting you would know that. We are not arguing the point on idealistic ideas but on points of law that were not followed by the municipality.

A member of the Indigenous community spoke of the land at the meeting and gave us the size of the land owned by the community and told us it was granted by the Virreinato which means it is communal and not ejidal or something is really off.. Ejidos came up after the revolution and before that indigenous would get land grants for the whole community.

[lakeside7]

With respect, what you may not understand ..... with in these "indigenous" communities are different factions who "Claim" to be the "official" committee...often whilst meaning to follow the correct path for negotiation, you find out that you have been dealing with the "want to be" in charge committee.

Why you would think that there is no corruption within these groups, and suggest your can be blissfully happy, unaware of unpleasant realities   for the Mexican culture  

[rafterbr]

Here in Oklahoma the Seminole Nation is a very poor nation.  The Miami Mafia came in and built a casino for them.  The Seminole Tribe appointed a gaming commission to oversee the casino.  The mafia gave the Seminole commission members lavish bribes.  The Federal gaming commission came in and kicked the mafia out and disclosed the Seminole gaming commission had been getting bribes.  There was a clamor throughout the Seminole Nation to remove and replace the commission members.   They didn't want the commission members punished, they just wanted to get on the commission so they could get bribes.

[bmh]

Lakeside,, thank you for your wisdom on indigenous communities.. I will remember it that when I deal with them,, Meanwhile as I said before the subject of the Tepalo is about the irregularities of the Chapala government not the owners of the land.