AngusMactavish Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 47 minutes ago, lakeside7 said: But ....one of the reasons the US system is broken and expensive is it provides care for "Poor" uninsured people...so those people are already "Broke" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bajabrady Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 I don’t see the US system as broken, just bloated and hard to maneuver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 57 minutes ago, AngusMactavish said: I believe that it is called compassion for humanity. Too bad that the US is the ONLY industrialized country where medical care is not a human right. Maybe...but you are taking the discussion off in other direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, lakeside7 said: Maybe...but you are taking the discussion off in other direction Refuting your fascist attitude takes us there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 This is what Mayo Clinic says on age and colonoscopies. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/colon-cancer/expert-answers/colon-cancer-screening/faq-20057826 Quote People older than age 75 who have been getting regular colon cancer screening since age 50 and who have had consistently negative screenings — no polyps (adenomas) or colon cancer — and are not at an increased risk of colon cancer because of family history may not need to continue getting routine screening. That's according to colon cancer screening guidelines issued by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) and the American College of Physicians (ACP). The upper age limit was set after studies determined that the net benefit of screening after age 75 was small. However, the USPSTF guidelines do recommend colon cancer surveillance for people older than age 75 who have an increased risk of colon cancer, such as family history, a previously diagnosed colon cancer or adenomatous polyps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedros Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 A friend had a colonoscopy done in Mexico. It was a horror story so he fled to Canada where it was taken care of quickly and professionally. The Canadian doctors were amazed how incompetent the Mexican doctors had been. A full time resident here has had gut problems for years. A colonscopy was recently scheduled but the thought of it being done through IMSS scared so much she cancelled it. If she had been in Canada she would have gone through with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 28 minutes ago, cedros said: A friend had a colonoscopy done in Mexico. It was a horror story so he fled to Canada where it was taken care of quickly and professionally. The Canadian doctors were amazed how incompetent the Mexican doctors had been. Since the doctors are not named here, we have no idea what their reputations or their backgrounds were. What was the point of your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 hours ago, AngusMactavish said: I won't if you post your medical credentials. Registered Medical Laboratory Technologist.... registered in Chemistry, Microbiology, Haematology, Blood Bank and Histology. Obviously not practicing any more. And ComputerGuy has seen my official credentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Ferret said: I have made my thoughts very clear on the limitations of colonoscopies on this forum because, even if you have both an endoscopy and a colonoscopy, there is still a very large portion of the intestinal tract that cannot be seen because of the limitations of the length of the tube. Ok, but isn't that what a radiologist is qualified to say. A lab tech is no more qualified to give medical advice than a stewardess is to critique a jet's engine failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 You are a funny guy Angus. Except that a Radiologist doesn't read the results of biopsies done during the course of a colonoscopy. A Pathologist does. And the slides and prep of the sample are done in the Histology Lab... by a Registered Medical Laboratory Technologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, Ferret said: You are a funny guy Angus. Except that a Radiologist doesn't read the results of biopsies done during the course of a colonoscopy. A Pathologist does. Does a pathologist say, "there is still a very large portion of the intestinal tract that cannot be seen because of the limitations of the length of the tube."? Also, a lab tech relays the results to a doctor for a diagnosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Thread wander at its zenith !😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 They are well aware of it. And we've had this discussion before. If you can do simple arithmetic, you know where to find the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 The OP asked: Should I stay here or go to California? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 You can go. I'm staying. Nice segue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyBee Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Just a little detail that has been left out of the conversation, that detail is called "taxes". My former accountant in Ontario told me that for every dollar I earned, I had to give back about 51 cents in taxes. This part did not really bother me until I took my mom to a joint specialist to realize that the majority of the patients in the waiting room were way overweight hence suffering from hip joint issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Although I agree with you to some extent HoneyBee, remember that hip/knee joint and back problems can lead to being overweight because it just isn't possible to move or exercise enough without being in pain. It's a slippery slope. So which came first... being overweight or being of normal weight but in pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyBee Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Ops, should have stayed out of this discussion...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandol Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 hours ago, gringal said: 4 hours ago, cedros said: A friend had a colonoscopy done in Mexico. It was a horror story so he fled to Canada where it was taken care of quickly and professionally. The Canadian doctors were amazed how incompetent the Mexican doctors had been. My experience in comparing colonoscopies Canada vs. Mexico is the reverse. My horror story was in the Vancouver General and a nasty Anglo gastroenterologist. Give me San Javier and Dr. Valenzuela any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 7 hours ago, Ferret said: Although I agree with you to some extent HoneyBee, remember that hip/knee joint and back problems can lead to being overweight because it just isn't possible to move or exercise enough without being in pain. It's a slippery slope. So which came first... being overweight or being of normal weight but in pain. Good question, and when I went to an orthopedic doc in the states, there was a waiting room full of very overweight people. Being in pain does reduce the inclination to get enough exercise, but what prevents people from pursuing the kind of healthy diet that doesn't pile on the pounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Bingo Gringal. Except that eating in a healthy way often costs more than some people can afford. I think it's a matter of education as well and, if we wanted healthier people it would start in the classroom... but then it's not the little people who are preparing the meals. Dunno. Vicious circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joco Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 hours ago, gringal said: Good question, and when I went to an orthopedic doc in the states, there was a waiting room full of very overweight people. Being in pain does reduce the inclination to get enough exercise, but what prevents people from pursuing the kind of healthy diet that doesn't pile on the pounds? Depression from pain and lack of exercise can cause people to crave sweets and carbohydrates to make their bains feel better. The boost is short lived in the brain but long lived around the hips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Health and choices are covered by Bill Maher at 2:25 of this video. Well worth a watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, Ferret said: Bingo Gringal. Except that eating in a healthy way often costs more than some people can afford. I think it's a matter of education as well and, if we wanted healthier people it would start in the classroom... but then it's not the little people who are preparing the meals. Dunno. Vicious circle. I agree that it should start young in the classroom, and of course "happy meals" aren't the way for parents to go. I don't agree that healthy eating should necessarily cost more, but again, it's a matter of education and the corporate advertisers aren't helping. As you said: "Vicious circle"😥 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Thanks for a good laugh, Angus.🖖 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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