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6 minutes ago, Zeb said:

I found how to select Ignore all content by that user, so that is now done!  His content will no longer show up on my screen.  Nice feature the forum offers. 

I do my best to treat people nicely and kindly and I always hope for the same, but some are incapable of this.  This just isn't in their make up.  It's just feels good to them to be critical and attack others. 

I know you won't see this Zeb, and good for you for figuring out how to block opinions that don't agree with yours. I don't think you followed your own advice when you attacked Dr. Garcia by name in your OP. Once you did that you invited others to disagree with you. That's how this board works.  Buen Fin.

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1 hour ago, sm1mex said:

You might check with Quality Care.  They may not have a pain Dr. who comes to lakeside, but could recommend someone.  They know a lot of specialist Drs.

I would most definitely check with Quality Care. Your first contact should be with Letty at their front desk.

The pain Specialist that my hubby used was in Guadalajara and was recommended by Quality Care. HER name was Dra. Ana and the prescription came in triplicate with a bar code on it. All the meds she prescribed were only available in Guadalajara and patches were her preferred method.

That said, none of them worked. And, he ended up trying just about everything. Some people are ,unfortunately, genetically inclined that way. For others, some pain meds can increase the amount of pain they are feeling. It can be a very vicious circle.

Dr. Hector Valenzuela was the Doctor that my hubby was seeing at Quality Care. Very nice and very caring and it was he who put us in touch with Dra. Ana...……. she is an Anaesthesiologist who specializes in pain meds. My hubby had stage 4 colon cancer.

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26 minutes ago, Ferret said:

I would most definitely check with Quality Care. Your first contact should be with Letty at their front desk.

The pain Specialist that my hubby used was in Guadalajara and was recommended by Quality Care. HER name was Dra. Ana and the prescription came in triplicate with a bar code on it. All the meds she prescribed were only available in Guadalajara and patches were her preferred method.

That said, none of them worked. And, he ended up trying just about everything. Some people are ,unfortunately, genetically inclined that way. For others, some pain meds can increase the amount of pain they are feeling. It can be a very vicious circle.

Dr. Hector Valenzuela was the Doctor that my hubby was seeing at Quality Care. Very nice and very caring and it was he who put us in touch with Dra. Ana...……. she is an Anaesthesiologist who specializes in pain meds. My hubby had stage 4 colon cancer.

Ferret: Thank you for your kind and helpful response. You are one of those I know who are consistently thoughtful.   I will certainly consider that.  Do you happen to remember the office fee?  It seems those are pretty high. 

I am aware that most of those partnership organization typically have several specialists as part of their team even if they are not there full time.  I am a bit nervous about that arrangement,  because our first pain management doctor came from Guadalajara for those types of patients, sometimes did not show up.  This really caused a crises because, as you know, you only get the exact amount of pills and no extras, so there is no allowance for unexpected events and delays.  One time she left a prescription and we were charged for a full office visit anyway.  We did not find that acceptable at all.  One time we drove to Guad to her office and, evidently, she was called away on an emergency prior to our arrival and never bothered to call and let us know.  The result was a wasted trip AND no prescription.  What a mess that was.  After two or three episodes like that, we are leery and said no more, so we switched to another doctor who is local.  I am sure you can understand this.

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Sorry for your experience Zeb and I do understand. But, to have access to the heavy duty meds here, your Doctor MUST be an Anaesthesiologist FIRST and then specialize in pain meds. That, and the prescription in triplicate with bar code is how the meds are controlled here.

If something not so heavy duty is required then you have other options.

Best of luck whatever your decision. I can't think of a more helpless position to be in watching someone you love in pain.

 

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Pappy - you are totally out of line on this one, and owe the lady an apology. I am familiar with the situation - botched surgery - and admire them that they are not taking the all too common coward's approach of suicide, or slow suicide with black tar heroin, cheap and abundant these days.

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12 hours ago, Ferret said:

Sorry for your experience Zeb and I do understand. But, to have access to the heavy duty meds here, your Doctor MUST be an Anaesthesiologist FIRST and then specialize in pain meds. That, and the prescription in triplicate with bar code is how the meds are controlled here.

If something not so heavy duty is required then you have other options.

Best of luck whatever your decision. I can't think of a more helpless position to be in watching someone you love in pain.

 

Your post is right on target.  Watching a loved one be in pain is horrible. Anyone who is being flippant on this subject is either ignorant of the situation or mean spirited at the core.   There is plenty of blame to go around for the prescription drug abuse epidemic in the states, starting at the top with the drug companies themselves.

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45 minutes ago, CHILLIN said:

Pappy - you are totally out of line on this one, and owe the lady an apology. I am familiar with the situation - botched surgery - and admire them that they are not taking the all too common coward's approach of suicide, or slow suicide with black tar heroin, cheap and abundant these days.

OK Chillin, fine, you have 2 legs up on me since I don't know the lady and am not a doctor as you seem to claim you are. I do know the doctor in question and find it hard to believe he would diss a patient the way he is accused of doing. As I said, I would love to hear his side of the story. As far as what the patient does about pain relief I of course have no dog in the fight. I do agree with Mexico's stance on keeping a much tighter lid on the distribution of those drugs. If that makes it harder and more expensive to obtain, so be it. Go ahead and loosen up the rules and folks like gringal will be howling that it's Big Pharma just trying to hook people and make money. Sounds like the drug companies and doctors can't win either way. If it's too tough to get or pay for what you need in Mexico there's always that same road that heads the other way. But it's easier to side with the poor person in pain than an evil doc whose medical decisions get questioned by every Tom,  Dick and Harry on a chat board. Give me a break.

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Pain doctors have to deal with belligerent, desperate people every day.  NOB, and possibly here, they face the loss of their medical license if they prescribe too many opiates.  It's big business, and lucrative for crooked doctors.  It could be that if the doctor in question is rude, it may be because he has just had enough of addicts demanding more and more.  Drug addicts will shift the blame for their condition to whoever is closest.  It is never the addicts fault.  Honest people who are simply in pain and need relief get caught up in it.  Having said all that, how can someone pretend not to know that opiate addiction is a worldwide problem and keep demanding the "medicine" anyway?

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Pappysmarket:  " Go ahead and loosen up the rules and folks like gringal will be howling that it's Big Pharma just trying to hook people and make money. Sounds like the drug companies and doctors can't win either "

Okay, McFlippant, you obviously aren't familiar with the information out there on the drug companies supplying large quantities of opiates to smaller towns than could possibly be warranted by the size of the population. 

The fault lies there as well as with doctors who overprescribe and with the fools who don't value themselves enough to avoid taking them.  At that lowest level, getting high is much more important than dealing with life.

Why not educate yourself before offering your opinion?  I could offer links, but that would be going to way too much trouble for someone of your mind set.🐂

 

 

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1 minute ago, gringal said:

The fault lies there as well as with doctors who overprescribe and with the fools who don't value themselves enough to avoid taking them.  At that lowest level, getting high is much more important than dealing with life.

 

Hahaha, isn't that what I was being accused of saying about the poor patient? Now you can take the flack, thanks!

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.....And another thing Chillin.  I guess whenever a patient does not get the result they desired from a surgical procedure, it must be "botched", right?  And of course you know that to be the case because you talked to the surgeon and he/she admitted it, right?  Or did you just talk to the patient?  Or.......did you just overhear someone at a social function mention that Tom, Dick or Harry got butchered by Dr. Who? 

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3 minutes ago, pappysmarket said:

Hahaha, isn't that what I was being accused of saying about the poor patient? Now you can take the flack, thanks!

Do I really have to explain that the "fault" lies with those fools who don't "need" the drugs and want them to get high?  This is as opposed to the patients in pain who DO need the drugs?  Please.  I would never fault the latter group.

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5 minutes ago, gringal said:

Do I really have to explain that the "fault" lies with those fools who don't "need" the drugs and want them to get high?  This is as opposed to the patients in pain who DO need the drugs?  Please.  I would never fault the latter group.

Sorry, but "hahaha" again. Every Tom, Dick or Harry that takes them feels they "need" them. Now you have the knowledge to discern who "really" needs them? I think you missed your calling in life.

No offense, but I'm voting with Dr. Garcia on this one.

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2 hours ago, CHILLIN said:

Pappy - you are totally out of line on this one, and owe the lady an apology. I am familiar with the situation - botched surgery - and admire them that they are not taking the all too common coward's approach of suicide, or slow suicide with black tar heroin, cheap and abundant these days.

Chillin,

Thank you. 

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1 hour ago, addtocart said:

Pain doctors have to deal with belligerent, desperate people every day.  NOB, and possibly here, they face the loss of their medical license if they prescribe too many opiates.  It's big business, and lucrative for crooked doctors.  It could be that if the doctor in question is rude, it may be because he has just had enough of addicts demanding more and more.  Drug addicts will shift the blame for their condition to whoever is closest.  It is never the addicts fault.  Honest people who are simply in pain and need relief get caught up in it.  Having said all that, how can someone pretend not to know that opiate addiction is a worldwide problem and keep demanding the "medicine" anyway?

Yes. I do realize that.  However, this was a long term patient doctor relationship and he has all the medical records to back up the need for meds.  He even agrees the legal amount is not sufficient for the issues and level of pain.  I think that he has become extremely busy and has taken my spouse totally for granted as an easy office call each month.  For him to say to us that he has patients to see is out of line because my spouse is a patient , is he not?  We had paid for the visit. 

These types of prescriptions have to be written exactly as to the number of pills AND the exact brand name.  In this case, that brand name (which we normally get) the pharmacy was out of it, so it had to be re-written in order to get another brand.  Those are the rules in Mexico, so we were stuck and had to ask for a re-write.  We even checked with other pharmacies first.  He got angry that he had to redo this and we I suggested perhaps he call ahead to save everyone's time, he said he would not do it, and NOT in a nice way.

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13 hours ago, Ferret said:

Sorry for your experience Zeb and I do understand. But, to have access to the heavy duty meds here, your Doctor MUST be an Anaesthesiologist FIRST and then specialize in pain meds. That, and the prescription in triplicate with bar code is how the meds are controlled here.

If something not so heavy duty is required then you have other options.

Best of luck whatever your decision. I can't think of a more helpless position to be in watching someone you love in pain.

 

Yes. I am familiar with the licensing requirements and what is needed to be able to write these.  We have been dealing with this situation for a very long time and there is no hope for another solution.

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46 minutes ago, pappysmarket said:

Sorry, but "hahaha" again. Every Tom, Dick or Harry that takes them feels they "need" them. Now you have the knowledge to discern who "really" needs them? I think you missed your calling in life.

No offense, but I'm voting with Dr. Garcia on this one. 

Sarcasm is a poor substitute for a knowledgeable response.

I presume that the doctor who is treating the patient is the one who determines if drugs are "needed".

 There is never an excuse for a doctor being rude, and since you weren't there at the time, you can believe the patient.....or not. 

 

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1 hour ago, gringal said:

Okay, McFlippant,

Hahaha, a little sarcasm never hurts.  Angus nailed it.

On a more important note:

Mexico 1 South Korea 0 first half.

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3 minutes ago, pappysmarket said:

Hahaha, a little sarcasm never hurts.  Angus nailed it.

On a more important note:

Mexico 1 South Korea 0 first half.

A little minor sarcasm never hurts.  Coming across as a total Knowitall is something else.

...and kudos to the Mexican team!🙂

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4 minutes ago, gringal said:

A little minor sarcasm never hurts.  Coming across as a total Knowitall is something else.

...and kudos to the Mexican team!🙂

Well, at least we agree on something.  Progress!  Still 1-0 at the half.

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