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the last 2 or 3 times I've walked down to the lake front on the west side of town, I've noticed overflowing sewers draining into the lake at the base of Rio Zula and Libertad.  Perhaps this happens more often than I had thought and I simply hadn't noticed or gone down to the lake frequently enough.  The stench was overwhelming.  Is this something the city prefers to overlook?  Given that it's the dry season, I'm curious as to why these sewers overflow.

 

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In Ajijic, I pay a little over 6% of the property tax I paid in rural Ohio.  I can't see how there can possibly be enough money in the coffers to maintain this pueblo to NOB standards.  It's little sad, I suppose, when public health is at risk...

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I used to accept the standards in the lake Chapala area as "it's just how it is in Mexico". Then we bought property in Guanajuato City as well. Huge difference in government involvement in the upkeep and improvements in the community. And not just the tourist zone, but residential areas as well. 

The mayors office has frequent postings on s Facebook page about work being done and law enforcement efforts. Even postings to salute the street cleaners and trash collectors. 

Yeah, there's a big difference between the two cities, but I have to say there is an involvement there that is lacking lakeside. The current GTO mayor is a go getter, something is always being worked on. 

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12 hours ago, zerbit said:

I used to accept the standards in the lake Chapala area as "it's just how it is in Mexico". Then we bought property in Guanajuato City as well. Huge difference in government involvement in the upkeep and improvements in the community. And not just the tourist zone, but residential areas as well. 

 

Guanajuato City is the capital city of the state where the Governor etc. live. Of course they keep it nice [they have the money to do so and are motivated] compared to a town and villages on a lake miles away from a huge city which might have enomous expenses in upkeep. Our city of SLP is very well kept compared to any towns or villages I have been to. Some towns and villages are downright dumps and not kept up at all that I have diven around. All of Lakeside is pretty good in my opinión.

Property taxes in Mexico only help pay the municipality operating expenses in part as they get state money [from federal taxes]  allotted to them depending how much 16% IVA, SAT taxes etc. are collected from their zip codes.

More taxes collected more government money per year shows up. The small municipalities where possibly many residents do not usually send in the IVA 16% they collect or pay much SAT taxes are the municipalities which are dumps usually I suspect or/and have corrupt local governments for a long time.

IVA 16%, SAT taxes, 35% of Pemex revenue etc. pay for all schools, teachers, pólice, fire, common áreas -plazas,  parks etc. freeways, wáter delivery to municipalities but private companies distribute wáter. Potholes should be paid for out of the municipalities operating expenses which is the above mentioned state money [federal money] and revenue they themselves generate.

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18 de octubre de 2011

"The Chapala Treatment Plant is modernized

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The Chapala Treatment Plant treats 80 lts. per sec.


Due to urban growth and increased tourism in the municipality of Chapala, CEA Jalisco will modernize the Chapala WWTP to clean up all the wastewater discharges.

With the aim of cleaning up all of Chapala's wastewater and preventing it from being discharged untreated into the lake, the State Water Commission of Jalisco (CEA) made the decision to improve and update the processes of the Water Treatment Plant Residuals (WWTP) of the municipality of Chapala. Since with the growth of the Population and the high tourist influx of the weekends caused a destabilization in the WWTP, on passing their level of capacity and treatment.

The project consists of the construction of a sludge pit, a thickener, an interconnection line and a mechanical sludge sedimentation equipment. The total investment will be of $ 16 million 880 thousand 770.79 pesos. Benefiting directly to Lake Chapala and a population of 21,276 inhabitants and tourism in general.

This modernization will allow 80 liters per second to be treated, avoiding the destabilization of the WWTP, on weekends, which is when the discharges increase significantly.

In addition, there will be complete facilities for the treatment of sludge, which will be met with better results in the quality of biosolids. It should be mentioned that previously this WWTP disinfected the water with chlorine gas, now this plant will disinfect its waters with ultraviolet rays, a much cheaper and less risky process, than the use of chlorine gas.

It is expected that these works will be ready at the beginning of November."

Note that the Municipaliy of Chapala does not need to pay for sewage treatment because the State Water Commison of Jalisco is the government agency responsible for sewage treatment in Jalisco. In other words federal tax money collected then given to the state to take care of sewage treatment and not your municipal property taxes.

 

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Did you take pictures of the overflow?

Did you take the pictures to the delegado and ask for action?

Did you put the pictures on the Ajijic facebook page (if in Ajijic)?

Did you put the pictures on the Chapala Facebook page?

If not then you deserve all the s--t you get!

 

I had a doctor tell be this same story and when I offered to go to the delegado with him , he couldn't be bothered. That is exactly the kind of resident the municipality likes. Shut up and pay whatever we tell you. You're just lucky they can't imagine how much they can really get away with squeezing you. 

Chapala has figured out how to deny you the senior citizen discount on your property taxes that Joco gives all. They're working on it , Give them time.

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From what you say,I would guess the muni no longer requires your services. As one who allegedly worked with them,you don't seem to have a handle on the "lay of the land" so to speak.  AlanMexicali doesn't even live here nor has he ever worked with any of our local governments but seems to have a knowledgeable grip on the "lay of the land" here.

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15 hours ago, zerbit said:

I used to accept the standards in the lake Chapala area as "it's just how it is in Mexico". Then we bought property in Guanajuato City as well. Huge difference in government involvement in the upkeep and improvements in the community. And not just the tourist zone, but residential areas as well. 

The mayors office has frequent postings on s Facebook page about work being done and law enforcement efforts. Even postings to salute the street cleaners and trash collectors. 

Yeah, there's a big difference between the two cities, but I have to say there is an involvement there that is lacking lakeside. The current GTO mayor is a go getter, something is always being worked on. 

Exactly.  And you don't have to go near that far to realize what a disgrace the government of this municipio is.  It is no wonder there are a number of facebook sites now with local Mexicans slamming the heck out of it.  I've been to too many Mexican towns that lack the rich tax base this one has yet manage to keep clean and in good repair to buy this "our taxes are too low" baloney. 

I'm visiting a poor ejido town south of Oaxaca right now and yet it is clean and in good repair.  I see municipal workers out picking up the trash reliably in decent equipment, keeping things well swept and repaired.  I'm a little embarrassed when our friends from here stay with us and see anything but this in Ajijic.

Our taxes aren't too low, they are too stolen and too squandered on bloated city hall payrolls.  There is simply no excuse for two long years of failure to handle competently the most basic services of trash pick up and street repair.

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3 minutes ago, Mainecoons said:

Exactly.  And you don't have to go near that far to realize what a disgrace the government of this municipio is.  It is no wonder there are a number of facebook sites now with local Mexicans slamming the heck out of it.  I've been to too many Mexican towns that lack the rich tax base this one has yet manage to keep clean and in good repair to buy this "our taxes are too low" baloney. 

I'm visiting a poor ejido town south of Oaxaca right now and yet it is clean and in good repair.  I see municipal workers out picking up the trash reliably in decent equipment, keeping things well swept and repaired.  I'm a little embarrassed when our friends from here stay with us and see anything but this in Ajijic.

Our taxes aren't too low, they are too stolen and too squandered on bloated city hall payrolls.

In GTO, our neighborhood has been assigned 6 city workers to repair alleys and stairs. The only request the city asked of all of us was to provide lunch and drinks. The mayor there walks the off the beaten tourist areas. He's out day and night looking for stuff to fix and improve. Maybe he has future political aspirations, but hey, he's getting stuff done. Seriously, the guy is like the Energizer Bunny. 

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Rich tax base here! That is simply ridiculous. Governments rely on payroll deductions, sales taxes, corporate taxation. There are none of the those wells to dip in here, just a lot of hard working small businesses, working a cash economy and not collecting the I.V.A. tax. GTO has manufacturing plants, corporate headquarters and the like, and has as rich a tax base as Guadalajara.

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Compared to most Mexican municipios the tax base is very rich here.  You need to get out more and see what the real estate looks like in most of these towns.  Here in this poor but clean and well run Ejido town, you can buy a lot for 5000 pesos.

I'll be glad to send you a list of towns just in Jalisco to visit that prove the point, let alone dozens I've seen in other states.  I can also include a second list of places that clearly suffer from the same corruption and incompetence we have here.

 

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36 minutes ago, CHILLIN said:

Rich tax base here! That is simply ridiculous. Governments rely on payroll deductions, sales taxes, corporate taxation. There are none of the those wells to dip in here, just a lot of hard working small businesses, working a cash economy and not collecting the I.V.A. tax. GTO has manufacturing plants, corporate headquarters and the like, and has as rich a tax base as Guadalajara.

It is absolutely beyond ridiculous but I guess if certain people repeat it enough they begin to believe their own rhetoric. And Zerbit, our presidente is no slouch when it comes to going out and about including inspecting what the muni is doing in some of our poorest barrios where no doubt you would fear to tread so you don't see it

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Admonishing someone for not taking pictures and reporting officially is not really kosher. This problem has existed for years and years, and everyone in authority knows about it. It has in fact had repairs done several times in the 20 or so years I've been here... never quite enough, and never often enough. The entire set of villages around the lake knows exactly what is not being done in terms of sewage, and government cares not unless it affects an important person in their own circle, or when they make a deal with a builder. Just look at those Senderos buildings out by Joco. The government out there made lots of tax deals with the developers, in an area that was already under seige for lack of services, and then added thousands of new problems without batting any eye.

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13 minutes ago, Mainecoons said:

Here in this poor but clean and well run Ejido town, you can buy a lot for 5000 pesos.

 

Transferring ejido land into private ownership is therefore a time-consuming process which requires in-depth knowledge of Mexican estate law. There are companies which specialise in this area of property law and have a good track record of transferring ejido land into private ownership. However, even with this expertise, the process can take up to several years.

https://www.justlanded.com/english/Mexico/Mexico-Guide/Property/Ejidos

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Victoria, British Columbia, which many people hold up as a highly desirable, pristine location, still dumps raw sewage into the ocean for  the tides to take away (much to the annoyance of American neighbours). This treatment of our waters as a toilet for human waste is all too common.

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1 hour ago, Mainecoons said:

Exactly.  And you don't have to go near that far to realize what a disgrace the government of this municipio is.  It is no wonder there are a number of facebook sites now with local Mexicans slamming the heck out of it.  I've been to too many Mexican towns that lack the rich tax base this one has yet manage to keep clean and in good repair to buy this "our taxes are too low" baloney. 

I'm visiting a poor ejido town south of Oaxaca right now and yet it is clean and in good repair.  I see municipal workers out picking up the trash reliably in decent equipment, keeping things well swept and repaired.  I'm a little embarrassed when our friends from here stay with us and see anything but this in Ajijic.

Our taxes aren't too low, they are too stolen and too squandered on bloated city hall payrolls.  There is simply no excuse for two long years of failure to handle competently the most basic services of trash pick up and street repair.

There are a great number of facebook pages where people offer thanks and are grateful for what this government has done for some of them specifically and for the muni in general. Some people are chronic unwarranted complainers-no?

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4 minutes ago, AngusMactavish said:

Transferring ejido land into private ownership is therefore a time-consuming process which requires in-depth knowledge of Mexican estate law. There are companies which specialise in this area of property law and have a good track record of transferring ejido land into private ownership. However, even with this expertise, the process can take up to several years.

https://www.justlanded.com/english/Mexico/Mexico-Guide/Property/Ejidos

Maybe the aiport owners should get in contact.

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Pedro, I know you are the end all and be all of western civilization. BTW are you still banned from the municipal building for selling mexican locals in to slavery in Canada? Mexicans do forget quickly . I know how to get things done, but, no longer work with those who will not help themselves. I am credentialed for the second administration in a row and they came to me . I didn't sit outside the muni asking to kiss ### like you did for a couple months of notice until they found out what a phony you were, Have a great day:)

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2 hours ago, HarryB said:

Pedro, I know you are the end all and be all of western civilization. BTW are you still banned from the municipal building for selling mexican locals in to slavery in Canada? Mexicans do forget quickly . I know how to get things done, but, no longer work with those who will not help themselves. I am credentialed for the second administration in a row and they came to me . I didn't sit outside the muni asking to kiss ### like you did for a couple months of notice until they found out what a phony you were, Have a great day:)

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First of all I am not Pedro but I have known him for about 40 years and according to him you are the one no longer welcome at the presidentia. Did you know that your name is spelt wrong on your second card? Here are the workers sold into slavery who were making $16/ hr. and within 3 months getting 19. Some of those poor slaves found Canada so bad they became citizens and married and have children. he was even given the Chapala flag for voluntary services rendered. Do you have one Harry? And yes he was asked and worked for 2 separate Chapala gov'ts. Some of the Politicians and civil servants are his friend who I have met and when he does something the Mexican[not just English] media and Canadian media have written about it. And Harry,I always have a great day and so does my good friend Pedro.

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15 minutes ago, johanson said:

Hey Nedro, you sure do show these pictures often. How many years ago was that? 10 or 15 years?

Ned here and i took the photo of our Presidente Javier Degollado  and my friend Pedro about 2 years ago in front of his house. Perhaps you need glasses or are really referring to your avatar pic. Do I have your permission to show what you really look like now which in fact was taken about 5 years ago not 20+ like you like to fool people with? What have you done for the people of this community by the way?

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Pedro’s favorite trick has always been to post self-aggrandizing photos of himself while singing his own praises. He also loved to take embarrassing candids of other members and post to mock them. Since being banned from this board, he has gotten a “friend” to do it for him. No one is obligated to use current photos as their avatar. As I recall Pedro used photos of himself going back to when he was five. Besides, Pete has posted multiple times on this and TOB that his photo is an old one and that he looks different now. Pedro got away with some extreme bullying on TOB before being banned.  Hope that doesn’t happen here. 

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