Intercasa Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I am working on gathering statistical information and made a request to immigration to get information on how many total immigration files they work on per year at the local Chapala office and of that number how many are for Americans, here are the results: Year / Total / Americans 2012 / 5,634 / 3,498 (62.1%) 2013 / 5,147 / 3,214 (62.4%) 2014 / 2,775 / 1,779 (64.1%) 2015 / 2,428 / 1,631 (67.2%) 2016 / 2,250 / 1,534 (68.2%) 2016 Resident Data (Cards issued in all Jalisco, not just Chapala) Residentes Temporales: 7,962 Residentes Permanentes: 2,897 Also have been gathering death information, not all local municipalities are in but here are the stats for American and Canadian deaths annually in the municipality of Chapala Deaths Year / Americans / Canadians / Other foreigner 2010 / 48 / 7 / 2 2011 / 66 / 16 / 4 2012 / 65 / 17 / 4 2013 / 68 / 22 / 6 2014 / 71 / 19 / 7 2015 / 64 / 18 / 6 2016 / 84 / 30 / 8 In other foreigners mentioned for Chapala, England comes in first place with at least one citizen dying each year and Germany with one death annually except 2010 and 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Because one can only age for so long. Things get really tough between 75 and 100 and you know the rest of the story. New arrivals are not sufficient to replace those who have died. Maybe the 2012 changes and financial requirements for visas have something to do with it. I am pretty certain that they do. Had they existed when we moved to Mexico in 2001, we would never have been able to qualify and would not have purchased a home (twice) or had the resources or willingness to make a border run every 180 days. Fortunately, we were “grandfathered“ all the way to permanente. That doesn‘t happen any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cincy's Wife Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 There's enough data here compile a couple of graphs to show trending and projections although it's fairly obvious to grasp from the raw data. Nice work Spencer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intercasa Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Ill add data from Jocotepec and Ixtlahuacan when it comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Be careful drawing conclusions with 'statistics' like these withou knowing exactly what they might mean. For example if one applies for a Permanente visa in one year, they no longer have to interface with the Chapala office... right? So maybe the high number of 'interfaces' in 2012 & 2013 included a lot of Permanentes and they no longer will be counted in 2014, 2015 and 2016.... thus (maybe) a lower overall count 'now' meaning.... nothing. Maybe. You never can tell unless you know ALL the facts. But one thing can probably be counted on.... more foreigners DID die in 2016. Too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappysmarket Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Before you could go permanente without showing financials many folks just were happy with temporal 1 minute ago, RickS said: Be careful drawing conclusions with 'statistics' like these withou knowing exactly what they might mean. For example if one applies for a Permanente visa in one year, they no longer have to interface with the Chapala office... right? So maybe the high number of 'interfaces' in 2012 & 2013 included a lot of Permanentes and they no longer will be counted in 2014, 2015 and 2016.... thus (maybe) a lower overall count 'now' meaning.... nothing. Maybe. You never can tell unless you know ALL the facts. But one thing can probably be counted on.... more foreigners DID die in 2016. Too bad. Thanks RS, I was in the process of writing a very similar comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkEliot Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Ajijic_hiker said: Looks like fewer Americans applying for visas...and more of them dying here. I wonder why. Look to me like it's Canadians who saw the largest increase in Deaths. I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 27 minutes ago, MarkEliot said: Look to me like it's Canadians who saw the largest increase in Deaths. I wonder why? Too much poutine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanson Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 No access to BC Bud down south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Berca Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 The numbers appear to confirm that about two thirds of the foreign resident population here are Americans and the remaining one third are from a variety of other countries. Interesting facts. Thank you, Spencer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBearII Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Yes, very interesting stats, even tho they may not tell the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesarge7 Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Great info. Thank you Spencer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonia Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Gracias Spencer. The laws changed Nov. 9, 2012 and interesting to see the decline partly due to process changes but also I believe in true reflection in what is happening. To me the decline 2014 to 2016 is noticeable as this is some time after the new new system started. In other words, the numbers are meaningful to compare for those 3 years. Here in SMA, while I do not have the stats and only conversations and personal perspective by being at INM most days the numbers are higher. Many days according to INM as many as 50 applications is common. A unusually slow day is 15 applications. However a noticeable increase is associated with manufacturers such as automobile parts and assembly. We see far more Asians than before. They are working nearby in the large industrial park 7 km away that now has at least 12 large factories and growing plus also in Celaya (Honda Fit etc), Dolores Hidalgo and nearby communities. The only other INM office in the state is in Leon. This past December and January has been noticeably slower than normal while personally I processed over 300 last year. Again, thanks Spencer. Sonia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkEliot Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 9 hours ago, Al Berca said: The numbers appear to confirm that about two thirds of the foreign resident population here are Americans and the remaining one third are from a variety of other countries. Interesting facts. Thank you, Spencer. 3 hours ago, Sonia said: Gracias Spencer. The laws changed Nov. 9, 2012 and interesting to see the decline partly due to process changes but also I believe in true reflection in what is happening. To me the decline 2014 to 2016 is noticeable as this is some time after the new new system started. In other words, the numbers are meaningful to compare for those 3 years. Here in SMA, while I do not have the stats and only conversations and personal perspective by being at INM most days the numbers are higher. Many days according to INM as many as 50 applications is common. A unusually slow day is 15 applications. However a noticeable increase is associated with manufacturers such as automobile parts and assembly. We see far more Asians than before. They are working nearby in the large industrial park 7 km away that now has at least 12 large factories and growing plus also in Celaya (Honda Fit etc), Dolores Hidalgo and nearby communities. The only other INM office in the state is in Leon. This past December and January has been noticeably slower than normal while personally I processed over 300 last year. Again, thanks Spencer. Sonia I've heard that there are actually more Canadians here but for less than 6 months so they don't lose there medical benefits - and thus are not counted as permanent. Americans keep their benefits forever no matter for how long or where they live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappysmarket Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 If you are referring to Medicare then yes but of course you must return to the USA for any treatment. And you must continue to pay monthly for Part B or you will only have coverage for hospital stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Spencer - I don't know how accurate this study is, it is from the Yahoo! brain trust. But it hits all your key words. And it is not good for Mexico. https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/whats-in-and-whats-out-for-retirees-in-2017-172816531.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmemorial Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 My observation which pertains to immigration is it took me 9 trips to immigration to get permanante If one comes with a COYOTE it takes 2 trips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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