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25 minutes ago, bennie2 said:

there is NO a specialist in ajijic who does implants, end of case. they will charge as much as they can & try to get USD. both drs & dentists will tell you anything to get the work. (even if they are not qualified). there are no lawsuits here. every season there is another group of suckers to work on.  be suspect of "specialists" who come in for this kind of work. did you call the chicago dental society? what is the big deal about naming names? the dentist is "proud" as the receipt says. if i was getting implants i would see a dentist who works w/a hospital in guad. most older people dont have strong bones.

I can't imagine where the data behind such a sweeping generalization came from. 

My dentist never claims to do work for which he is not qualified and he refers patients to specialists as appropriate.  He doesn't look for work that isn't needed. He charges a reasonable amount for his services in PESOS  and has the latest equipment.  Dr Eloy Barragan, in Mirasol.  I've been with him for over 8 years. I'm fortunage to have healthy teeth and only have needed cleaning, but my spouse has had extensive work done there.

 

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Dr. Barragan has been our dentist for many years. He's an extremely competent dentist whom we have great confidence in. We've had simple and complicated procedures by him. If work is needed that he does not do, he calls in another well-qualified specialist. Only once was that necessary, a periodontist. We are always been billed in pesos. I was just  there today!

For a few years we went to Dr. Haro, and we thought highly of him. But didn't care for the work by someone on his staff. That's the only reason we moved on.

Lexy

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i believe the person who had the bad experience. there are horror stories including my own. in general, i would go to guad for serious problems. for simple things you can go local - depending upon who the dr is. spoke w/barragan on the phone once & i didnt like him. gringal, i havnt been to your dentist. just giving fair warning to be careful w/everyone. for example: dental express has many people working there so who knows who you get? if you are happy w/your medical professional thats great.

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Dr Barragan does not do implant and we had a less than satisfactory experience with the implant specialist that comes to his office.

We are going to another one of his specialist and we will see how this one does..

 

I agree if y can go to Guadalajara to see specialist you are probably better off , the best from Guadalajara do not come here as a rule.

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I am telling you the truth. I have the receipt with me. Would you like to come with me to his office to collect my $1600.00 usd. On the receipt in the left hand side on the bottom, it says: Proud member of Chicago Dental Society. I have 2 witness that were with me. One of them is a Theater member here in Ajijic.

No, I signed a paper to not disclose his name,  Well, the proof is in the pudding. The MIR CAME BACK saying one of You dentist split the jaw Bone in order  to  get the implants in. That is inhumane, unheard of and criminal. Hint, he just got his training a year ago, but didn't have it when he worked on me. 4 years ago.

I agree with you Bennie, there is no such person as a qualified Dental Implant surgeon in Ajijic.

Dr.Haro does not belong to The Chicago Dental Society or The University of Maryland, which is also advertised on his receipt document, but it is a academic on line University, and has no registered 
Dr. Hector Haro

Helen Rabitoy/Chicago 
Dental Society wrote 
On Dec 14, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Rabitoy,Helen <hrabitoy@CDS.org> wrote:
Unfortunately, he is not a current member of the Chicago Dental Society
Helen Rabitoy
I am really just trying to give you the heads up on these Dentist, it's one big lie, and you will be the one suffering from pain in your mouth and cash in your pocket book.
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haro took seminars years ago from my friend in guad. she was a perodonist for almost 30 years. since i havnt spoke w/her recently she may be retired. she knows haros deal & told me the same thing. also beware of dentists who claim to do "total" which means multi skilled. what do you mean you "signed a paper" regarding disclosure? they can spot a newcomer a mile away. lizzy, i believe you 100%. 

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Thanks Bennie, so help me God it is the truth. On Saturday I am going to Guadalajara to see Dr. Hilda Tavizon, so that she can take out my stitches, she will pick me up at the Bus depot  in Guad.. I am her only patient for Sat, so if anyone wants to come with me. I will be at the Carraterra at 8:15 am. At The Bus stand just west of Colon. You have my picture, but perhaps email me at : lizthomali@hotmail.com

Thanks Lizzy

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The paper that I signed at The other Doctors office, was for me to keep my mouth shut, and not tell anyone his name, because he paid me some money back. He could not do anything more for me..He pulled out my fairly good bottom teeth, to put in the implants, and then I went into Massive pain. I was told that Dr.Haro was the best Dentist in Ajijic, so I went to him, and he redid the implants and charged me heavy duty, the pain continued. I went home to Canada, and have been living with this pain for 2 years.  I just did not have the money to return and see Dr.Hilda. I plan on reporting both of them to Profeco. One of the top implants fell out, because it was not attached to the bone, the other one next to it is Failing . I am in a big problem, Dr. Hilda suspect  that I might have a borderline allergy to Acrylics, so this time I am getting bottom nylon implants. The tops will be a Denture only, in Nylon. No doubt Dr. Haro is good at cleaning, crowns and other things, but there is no one in Ajijic that can do implants.

Thanks and be cautious.

Lizzy

 

 

 

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On 12/13/2016 at 4:50 PM, Lizzy T said:

There are business cards for Dr. Hilda Tavizon, who does implants and bone grafting in Guadalajara, she is trying to correct my situation. Her site is www.dra.Tavizon.com. Her business cards are at Mis Amores Hotel in the SW corner of the Plaza on Hidalgo No. 22. Her prices are great, and she has 20 + years expirence. Never think there is no pain. Be smart there is always pain with Dental Work.

 

Well, the proof is in the pudding. The MIR CAME BACK saying one of You dentist split the jaw Bone in order  to  get the implants in. That is inhumane, unheard of and criminal.

ET

When the implants were being put in, did the dentist use a torque wrench to ensure that the device was properly secure?

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I believe you, Lizzy, and I feel for you as I went through hell myself for two years.

I would like to share this information hoping this will help people decide before making a clear choice.

What qualifies surgical specialists to place dental implants?

Dental implants may be the best option to replace a missing tooth, but remember that there is a difference between “dentists who do implants” and “dental implant experts”.

Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons and Periodontists are the only surgical specialists recognized by the American Dental Association (ADA). As part of their surgical training, they attend post-graduate residency programs. Oral Surgeons spend an additional four years beyond dental school in a hospital-based residency, including a full year of anesthesia training. Periodontists attend three-year surgical residency programs following dental school. The formal training and education alone is significantly greater for surgical specialists than for general dentists.

The following questions can help you determine whether a non-specialist is experienced with dental implant placement.

  • How many surgical training courses has the dentist taken and how long was each course?
  • Did these courses comply with the recommended guidelines for meeting the legal standard of care for surgical implant placement?
  • How many courses has the dentist taken specifically on the management of complications?
  • How many continuing education courses on implants does the dentist attend on a yearly basis?
  • How long has the dentist been placing implants and how many implants does the dentist place each year?
  • Does the dentist refer complex or difficult cases to a surgical specialist?
  • How many bone grafting procedures has the dentist has done?

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I should have known better and be more careful in my choice before I had work done to my teeth because I went through hell just to have amalgams replaced in two good molars. I ended up with root canals, crowns, extractions and finally implants. At least, after my bad experience I did my research and had a specialist do my implants and crowns in Guadalajara with excellent results.

P.S. It is true that Dr. Haro's office quotes us in US$. They will convert it if you want to pay in pesos, but they still go by the value of the US as most of his clientele are foreigners. He makes a mint right now.

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I think there is a lot more to Lizzy's story than she is letting on.. I think she went to the cheapest dentist she could find and when he screwed up she went to Dr Haro to fix it... Well Dr Haro is good but he's not God.. 

Her posts ramble on.... Is she trying to insinuate that Dr Haro is not an certified dentist.?

Im not an expert in implants but I have done some research as I'm thinking of have a couple, I've never heard of acrylic or nylon implants, they seem to be titanium or Zirconia..

Have Used Dr Haro for ten years have never been asked or quoted US dollars..

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On 10/29/2016 at 3:22 PM, nana said:

Be advised that most of those recommendations are good for a DENTIST, but what you are asking for is who specializes in implants.

Implants are NOT done by those dentists Eloy, Haro, etc, .they do  crowns, and they ask an orthodontist from Guadalajara to come and do the implants for them. I have seen one of them for an estimate at one of the local offices and turn him down for a few reasons. I finally went to an orthodontist in Guadalajara for my implants and to another who specializes in crowns. I wanted the best because of three bad experiences in the area.

You have to allow a few months for the whole procedure.

 

Dra. Candy does a lot of implant work. She even has friends of her clients come down from NOB for the implants.

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haro does is not part of the US dental society he claims to be. thats enough info for me. so many false creds here. maybe the first dentist was worse but what ever. stay away from implants.

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On 2016-12-13 at 9:09 PM, TelsZ4 said:

I find that hard to believe that Dr Haro never recommend you go to Guad for a  scan if he was doing implants.  Dr Haro is just about the most expensive dentist in the area, but he he one of the best.

I also find it hard to believe he charged you in US dollars, I have been going to him for 10 years and have never been charged in dollars. Only peso's

If you are having an implant I  don't think you  get an MRI . you get a panoramic scan.. I have had both an MRI on my knee and a scan for an implant.  They were different.

i must say I admire your courage naming names and using your real name and photo.. It's not something I'm brave enough to do..

Perhaps you should check with Dr. Haro. I am in the process of going to Profeco to file a report against him. He seen me coming, a Canadian woman in lots of pain. Yes, you need a MRI, it gives the bone density, a surround X-ray will not do that. For older over 50, it is a absolute necessity. I do know because I am a women, it goes against me, and most men will not believe me.

Can I use your statement of 10 years,and being charged in Pesos only., at Profeco ?

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On 2016-12-16 at 10:18 PM, Joyfull said:

Have had 3 implants done at Dr. Haro's office. Two of them are now over 4 years old. The most recent is about 6 months old. He uses the same specialist that comes from Guadalajara for bone graft and putting in the implant. Have never had any problems with them. It was my choice whether to pay in pesos or USD. I have tried a number of dentists in the area, including 2 that were recommended in this thread. I wouldn't go back to either of them. Am sticking with Dr. Haro.

I agree, he brought in a Specialist, because he is not a specialist.

can I use your Quote at Profeco?

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On 2016-12-15 at 7:55 AM, Alpha1 said:

Dr. Edgard Macias  of Dental Express.

Sorry, but this is where it all happened for me, he was taking directions from a implant Specialist Friend in Guadalajara,and the screws he used were too big for my bottom gum bone. I should have got wise at that time, but the the bone was Fractured, and I was in agony., so everyone is telling me to go to Dr. Haro, and all he did was change the implants to brass, and the surround X-ray, which did not show the real problem. He made me new Dentures, charged me big money, but gave me one of the most cheapest dentures you can find. This was all happening 1 day before my plane was leaving.

Now Dr. Edgard is trying to make amendeds, but Dr. Haro will not answer my phone calls or emails.

 

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On 2016-10-19 at 3:00 PM, da-veed said:

Hola, has anyone had good or bad experiences with Dr Eduard Macias of Dental Express in Chapala?  I will be in the area and need some major work which includes Implants and a Crown.  Any and all feed back will be appreciated.  Thank you.

 

On 2016-12-13 at 7:54 PM, bmh said:

Was the "other one " a dentist working with Dr. Haro

 

 

No, there was no one. He is a very arrogant man. One day I was trying to make a appointment with him, and my telephone fell off the table, and cut my call off. When I called back. I was told never to call back again, because I hung up on his secretary..

Arrogrance all the way around. My common-law husband had to go his office to straighten things out.

Lizzy T

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On 2016-10-19 at 3:00 PM, da-veed said:

Hola, has anyone had good or bad experiences with Dr Eduard Macias of Dental Express in Chapala?  I will be in the area and need some major work which includes Implants and a Crown.  Any and all feed back will be appreciated.  Thank you.

Please go to Dr. Hilda Tavizon in Guadalajara, she has fellowship status of the International Congress of Oral Implantolgistsher phone no is  33 3642-1871. She has over 20 years expirence. I take the Chapala bus at the depot just west of Colon, to the Bus Depot in Guadalajara, then a taxi to her office. You can email her at dratavizon@gmail.com.

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On 2016-12-15 at 1:37 PM, TelsZ4 said:

I think there is a lot more to Lizzy's story than she is letting on.. I think she went to the cheapest dentist she could find and when he screwed up she went to Dr Haro to fix it... Well Dr Haro is good but he's not God.. 

Her posts ramble on.... Is she trying to insinuate that Dr Haro is not an certified dentist.?

Im not an expert in implants but I have done some research as I'm thinking of have a couple, I've never heard of acrylic or nylon implants, they seem to be titanium or Zirconia..

Have Used Dr Haro for ten years have never been asked or quoted US dollars..

You must be male, because you have a bad attitude towards me without knowing me.

If  you must Know the first Dr. Was Dr. Edgard,,the screws he used under the advice  of a implant Friend in Guadalajara, were to  large, and they fractured my bottom gum bone.

I have not been rambling on, please pay attention to what you are reading.

the teeth attachments are onto a acrylic base, and many people are allergic to the Acrylics, I am one of them, so now there is a Nylon base as well as nylon dentures. Can I please use yo quote on charges in Pesos and not American Dollars in my report to Profeco.?

Both Dr. Edgard and Dr. Haro should have brought In Impant Specialist for me..you tell me why they didn't. It's because women in Mexico are not recognized?

I'm finished, have a great day

lizzy T

 

 

 

 

 

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