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I now know two women who have died from treatable breast cancer because they went to quacks instead.  Both were notable locals.

They're being led by the nose OK, being led to dying from something that is imminently treatable if diagnosed early and dealt with promptly.

 

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Alpha1--What is your point in posting this?  The article, written by a McGill University's directory of Office for Science & Society,  ridicules John of God and, thankfully, makes him out to be a fraud.  Doubtful that anyone on this forum needed to be warned about traveling to Brazil for a clamp up the nose. But you never know, and it's always fun to read about another medical quack. (But not so funny when gullible people fall for their dangerous nonsense.)

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2 hours ago, Lexy said:

Alpha1--What is your point in posting this?  The article, written by a McGill University's directory of Office for Science & Society,  ridicules John of God and, thankfully, makes him out to be a fraud.  Doubtful that anyone on this forum needed to be warned about traveling to Brazil for a clamp up the nose. But you never know, and it's always fun to read about another medical quack. (But not so funny when gullible people fall for their dangerous nonsense.)

Lexy

What is my point? Unfortunately I know people who have succumbed to this Fraud, and it most definitely is not funny...

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I have no input on John of God, but a very well respected man (now gone) Wayne Dyer posted a youtube video of his experience with this healer and he had very positive results even from a distance -

 

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Oh, the power of belief and charisma.  I know several people who went to see John for healing.  They each came back saying they had a powerful, wonderful experience but when pressed for particulars on what exactly was healed in their body, a fog drifted into their speech. No particulars came forward.  But they felt mahvelous, dahling.

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Xena - I wasn't clear enough and you clarified it for me, thank you - pretty well everyone is only respected "by some" including some of the greatest thinkers and healers like Buddha, Jesus, Mohammad, Vishnu, etc.          To further clarify, I am not promoting John of God, just adding to the conversation.    

  But, it doesn't matter what I think, many people feel better after seeing him and no one feels any better because of what I think, therefore I would be remorse to denounce all that he has done.     Is he a scam ?   As long as he isn't hurting people, I do not care

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If by "not hurting people" you mean he doesn't bleed them dry financially leaving them in debt or keep them from treatment that actually could save their lives, than I agree. There is a lot of money to be made by selling hope. If people have none they might consider it a good deal to buy some.

i had a friend with an aggressive cancer that nothing could stop. He went to a doctor in South Korea selling cures using some new, special, amazing treatment. My friend spent more than $50,000 (much of it raised from and through friends) and died within the time frame doctors at home had given. Even though I believed the treatment was bogus, I contributed to the fund raiser. He was buying hope and I could not tell him I did not believe he was going to live more than another year.

 

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We all have anecdotes to support our beliefs.    

And since the original post was about breast cancer, and this has proven to be quite treatable by modern medicine, I would adopt that route first before some non-traditional approach.     Most people who go to John of God have tried all modern medicine with mixed results and are now looking for some hope.    Hope is sometimes all that is keeping some from severe depression.     Believe me, that can be worse than cancer.    

As I said, I do not know anything about John of God.     I was trained in physics and math and would be the most likely skeptic to unproven methodology, but I am open to the unknown.    If I had all the money in the world, John Hopkins hospital would be my first stop, but most can not afford that care.       

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People I have known who have gone to JohnG for help have returned satisfied with their experience.  Not disappointed, not harmed. They were not physically healed but they received something that uplifted them.  I`m not sure it is accurate to say that he instills false hope or that the relationship between he and the people who come to see him is one of con artist and mark. I think there may be assumptions made here that don`t apply. I think one would need a closer experience with this to truly know the nature of this. In any event, barring going to see JohnG oneself, it might be best to talk with the people who have gone to see JohnG to gain the best understanding of the experience.

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There is no disease that can be said to be 100% incurable. Of even the deadliest they say there is some chance of a cure or remission, even if it is just 2%. That is because no matter how deadly the illness, there are some few people who will be saved, sometimes those who seek no treatment at all. No one knows why. There is so much we do not understand. I knew a guy with poor grammar but he made a valid point when he would say, "Whose yous to say?"

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On August 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Mainecoons said:

I now know two women who have died from treatable breast cancer because they went to quacks instead.  Both were notable locals.

They're being led by the nose OK, being led to dying from something that is imminently treatable if diagnosed early and dealt with promptly.

 

There are no cures with pharmaceuticals, in my opinion is quackery, poison.    I just lost a dear friend who died from leukemia she got from chemo treatment.  Your friends likely lived longer more productive lives by not bowing down to the fear that they had to have big pharma treatments. Bravo to them!  I can't stand all the so called fund raising for cures for cancer, there's been cures for generations.  You have no idea what either of your friends did to reverse it.  

I've learned a lot over the past 18 months about cancer treatments, dis-eases and how to reverse them.  I've lost 5 loved ones within 8 weeks this summer that had cancer, including my own mother and believe me, I tried to save her.  I studied my brains out.  People with lung cancer turned bone cancer, breast, stomach, leukemia and I have one dear friend that was diagnosed 2 years ago with stage 4 breast cancer.   She's the only one still living of those 6 ladies.  She chose natural and has had no chemo, radiation or surgery.  She's cleaned it out twice!  Her problem is her diet!  She keeps going back to her old diet that was a big factor in why she got it to begin with.  In fact, she had a grapefruit sized tumor wrapped around her vocal chords.  I recommended she go on a red grape fast.  Within days it began to shrink. Within 2 weeks you couldn't see the tumor anymore.   

There's an old timer here lakeside that reversed lung cancer decades ago by changing her diet, did water fasting and colonics.  She's still cancer free today and in her 90's.   You'll never hear of a testimony like that with pharmaceuticals.  They know how long it takes to poison a person to death.  

When I was searching for help for my mother, I was introduced to someone living lakeside.  Had leukemia/bone cancer, sent home to die after full chemo now well for years after someone told them about Dr. Canion.  

If I could help anyone by making a recommendation I would get them in contact with a practitioner under Dr. Robert Morse N.D. out of Florida who is a detoxification expert, cell regeneration specialist, master herbalist.  He uses our food, herbal formulas and glandulars to reverse and heal everything!   He's had news interviews for his remarkable work with patients.

 Or Dr. Phylis Canion N.D. in Texas.  Not my preference but the diet is a bit more "normal" for people plus, it works. She's able to pull folks in stage IV cancers out of it.  

Why couldn't I save my mother?  Because she took radiation which doesn't kill the stem cells but spreads them around to start new cancers and chemo.  She's gone now.   It just is sickening knowing that the primary cancer was reversed, I'm sure from the cannabis oil but she took radiation which spreads stem cells and chemo which made her so acidic it eventually killed her.  She didn't have enough alkaline going into her to keep her alive.

A lady who used to live in Chapala Haciendas retired from researching virus' for the US government.  She told me years ago to stay alkaline and I wouldn't get sick.  She said the government knows it but they refuse to educate the people. 

 

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2 hours ago, Willie said:

Thank you Home Sweet Home for such a clear and insightful post...I only wish more people would be more naturally pro-active with their health!

You're welcome Willie, if one person could understand it and get well, it's worth the effort.   Very heartbreaking for me, I couldn't even convince my own mother!  I had real people that experienced reversing their cancers by more than one method for her to talk to.  Even her own cousin, now in her mid 70's, reversed breast cancer decades ago using Gerson Therapy and juicing wheat grass but my mother wasn't willing to do that much.  You know, people like me are so extreme, we educate ourselves and are willing to do whatever it takes to get well.   I had her set up with a proven protocol and after starting it, which she agreed to do it, she looked me in the eyes and said, "I'm just not convinced." So she took radiation and chemo with it.   I knew that wouldn't work but kept hoping and praying that she'd be alright and pull through.  There were times I was able to help pull her up a little bit by what I was studying but in the end, she poisoned herself.  She did the best when she ate red grapes.  Once she stopped because she thought it was too much sugar, she went down hill.  Fruit sugar does not spread cancer, cells have to have simple sugars.  Stagnant acids spread cancer.  Being too acidic is a cesspool for dis eases.   Our body tries to break down all of our food to simple sugar.  Fruit is simple sugar, the least amount of work to break down and utilize.   We need good absorption and utilization of our food.  If we are dirty on the inside, we'll have malabsorption.    During the holidays my Mother ate Sees Candy until she didn't feel well and then couldn't pull herself out of it.  She ate cooked acidic food and very little fresh produce.   She kept taking the chemo pill(acidic) and I knew she should have stopped it but took it for months until finally the oncologist questioned her as to why she kept taking it when it didn't work?   She didn't have to suffer and die the way she did.   There wasn't anything I could do about it.  I had to respect her decision.   If it didn't take overnight to get sick, unless you get a miracle, it's not going to be over night that you get well.  You need to believe in what you are doing because your brain and body certainly will respond to what you really think.    Believe me, I tried with every one of those wonderful ladies but we have to respect the choices that we all have the right to choose.  Some people can only do so much.  I'm willing go for it.  I completed an 8 day watermelon fast recently, amazing! Amazing cleansing results!  Thank God for abastos and the wonderful non GMO watermelons with seeds we can still buy in Mexico.

Big pharma pays for all of the mice testings and blind studies and the government is in bed with the pharmaceutical companies, they'll never study natural medicine and let the public know that it really does work, they don't make money on herbs, can't patent herbs.  They hire ghost writers to write quackery articles.  They make up chemical drugs to mimic herbs, put out tv commercials  with all of the side effects to sell their "legal" drugs and people think that's better.   They kill 100's of thousands of people each year with their "health care" not curing anyone, while no one dies from herbal medicine.    My parents are just of the the old adage that they trust their doctors.  The doctors are given one hour of nutrition classes and know nothing of how the body really works. They're even taught in medical school that there are no cures with pharmaceutical drugs.    If you look at a medical doctor and tell them you want to detox your body, you'll get a blank look.  Can you imagine never doing a tune up on a car?  Never changing the filters, what will that car look like down the road?  How many people never do a tune up on their own bodies and then wonder why they get sick and are breaking down?  People expect their bodies to run well without ever detoxing it?  If they are well and eat well, their body would always be detoxing properly without doing anything "extreme"  but put acidic mucus forming foods in the body, they don't detox, the body then buffers the toxins with fat and people eventually get sick while they hold on to carcinogens.    Unless they happen to be born with a strong constitution.   How blessed those people are that can abuse their bodies and they're strong enough to make it through anything.   Will detoxification help everyone? Absolutely!  I thought the other day it's like trying to help a sick plant.  Sometimes you can nurture it back to health and then there's others that are just too far gone and no matter what you do, unless they receive a miracle, you can't pull them out completely.  Sometimes you can stop an illness from progressing.  Sometimes you can only help the person to be more comfortable as they die.  Many people can get well.  Sometimes it's a continual work in progress but while they're getting to Wellville, they sure feel a whole lot better!  That would be me.   On my way to Wellville.   

 

 

 

 

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Ask Steve Jobs widow about selecting natural cures for leukemia as your first choice.     Regretting this and finding your waited too long to start modern medicine cures.     John Hopkins, if it wasn't so expensive

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What a person believes in and what procedures one wishes to use for their healing is their prerogative, regardless of the effectiveness,  and no one should argue this point. The main issue with John of God is that he is a fraud and con man feeding on the desperation and unfortunate situations his victims find themselves in. The main two issues that support this are i) the assets he has accumulated due to his practices, and ii) the choice he made to use "traditional" medicine covertly during his own illness.

i) the assets he has accumulated due to his practices

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/João_de_Deus_(medium)

He also owns a nearby cattle ranch, which covers about 1,000 acres and is valued over 2 million reias.[6][7]

As of 2014, de Faria has been married to his tenth wife, lawyer Ana Keyla Teixeira Lourenço for over 10 years. He has nine children by his previous wives. In Abadiânia, de Faria owns 28 houses in his name. In 2008, he also acquired nine properties in Annapolis, Brazil. de Faria has financial interests in cattle ranching, farming and gold mining. Much of his income comes from selling passionflower preparations, the single herb prescribed by John of God to cure a variety of ailments. The company which bears Joao Teixeira Faria initials, JTF Ltda, markets the drug and is registered in the name of his wife, Ana Keyla Teixeira, and his driver and employee Abadio da Cruz.[7][8]

ii) the choice he made to use "traditional" medicine covertly during his own illness.

2016 Story of John of God’s own medical treatment

For a medium which serves about 1,000 people daily, vulnerable, looking for help, spiritual encouragement and even cure, it is curious decision to use conventional medicine. I asked him why he helped science instead of looking for someone like himself, incorporating other doctors. In response, he made a question: "The barber cuts her own hair?". Throughout the treatment, John of God never complained or lost strength. always reacted positively and willingness to submit to all medical interventions. As a patient, it was an ordinary patient. Twice he traveled Goiás drive to São Paulo. Just flew at the insistence of friends. Ever wanted to sleep in the hospital. He had to make an exception for medical determination when he suffered a loss of platelets and had to receive extra care.

 

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Anybody that bashes "big pharma" and has no credentials of any sort related to the sciences or not even a remembrance of what they learned in high school,  is sort of like the same people that went berserk about  vaccines to the point where some of their children died and/or affected others in an adverse way.

I am not good at cutting and pasting  but their is a story today in The National Post about progress being made with a special magnetic bacteria that when laced with the chemo drugs can take them right to the nucleus of a cancer cell. So don't say "big pharma" doesn't work with natural components. I'm sure that's not the only example either.

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