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7 hours ago, bdmowers said:

In the case of the Joco SP hospital not being able to continue to treat a patient after their first presenting at the hospital and needing to transfer the patient to another SP hospital, if the condition for the patient is an emergency, i.e. heart attack, then one might assume the hospital the patient is being tranferred to would take the patient on an emergency basis per normal SP hospital rules as you reported, Alan.  This then would be true for other emergency / life threatening illnesses but your open question, Alan, for other illnesses is still in play. 

Joco the poster has said that the Joco SP hospital only treats maternity issues and minor issues. It would be good if someone could detail which illnesses and situations the Joco hospital actually is able to treat.  Perhaps another topic should be started for this but these then could be compared to the services at the private fee-for-service Ajijic Clinic hospital which does surgery in some cases and can accomodate overnight stays in in-hospital rooms to get a more complete picture of what is available for Lake Chapala residents.

 
 

The Joco community hospital is a hospital/clinic like the two in Ajijic. It does not treat life-threatening cases and the Ajijic clinics don't either. They will all send you to a full-service hospital in Guadalajara.

If you are having a life-threatening emergency, call Red Cross and go to Guadalajara. Do not waste time in Joco or Ajijic.

The Joco hospital provides maternity care, surgeries like gall bladder and hysterectomies. It does not provide orthopedic, heart, lung surgery, etc. 

There are about 10 beds in the ER area and maybe 30 beds in the hospital part. No TV, air conditioning at night, pillows, pain killers, etc. It is a minimal service hospital. If you have heart surgery you will want pain killers better than Tylenol. Bring your own food. It has food but nothing I could eat.

Go talk to the managers at the hospital and find out exactly what they do. 

 

 

 

 

 

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A Cruz Roja ambulance, turning up to a PUBLIC Guadalajara hospital, without being entered into the S.A.M.U. system would be fined, and the patient refused. It turns out, a lot of the info we are struggling for is on Dr. Sam Thelin's website. He has an article on Emergency care Lakeside, and this chart which explains how the system works. Print this stuff out, and have it handy. I don't know how old this article is, Dr. Sam may not have realised the "rebranding" of Seguro Popular, or the multi millions of pesos which have been poured into the system.

http://drsamchapala.com/wp/?page_id=46

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Cruz Roja cannot take a patient to the Joco community hospital either. You need to call the ambulance service the hospital provides.

If someone is not an SP member, he will likely go to a private hospital or IMSS if he is a member there. Otherwise, to use SP he will need to call the SP ambulance.

Healthcare is not that simple here.

 

 

 

 

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So may rules. Too much for a sick person to deal with.

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7 hours ago, Joco said:

The Joco hospital is a community hospital,  not an SP hospital. It has an arrangement with SP to accept payments but it was not built by SP. The name Security Popular is not on the building and I do not think I have seen it in literature or in the building.

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Joco, above is a picture of the Hospital Communitario de Jocotepec. It shows the Seguro Popular insignia on one side of the building. The Guad Reporter has stated, "Estimated operating costs will run at 3.8 million pesos per month, funded by Seguro Popular".  I`m trying to understand how this could not be an SP hospital.  Is it a private hospital but entirely funded by Seguro Popular? Some new kind of joint venture between local people and Seguro Popular?

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30 minutes ago, cedros said:

So may rules. Too much for a sick person to deal with.

Yes, if someone could make sense of IMSS, Seguro Popular, local clinics, Cruz Roja, which of these handle which health conditions, which accepts which kinds of patients, which send / accept which ambulances, how best to deal with an emergency health condition within this mix of services available besides being a monumental task, that person would be doing one of the most important services possible for the people in this geographic area.

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I agree 100% with the above.

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Here is an update.  It works just as Sparks stated.  I brought four documents to the Chapala location.  These were copies: Passport. Permanente, CURP and one original utility bill from Telmex which was not in our name.  No lease or any originals were requested. No questions were asked.

 

Now I think I had an oversight as evidently there is some type of booklet from what I can determine, based on some of the posts.  The woman who processed us said nothing about any booklet, however, I know I cannot count on their communicating necessary information.

Could someone please tell me where I need to go for the booklet and what to ask for?

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1 hour ago, bdmowers said:

1171046.jpg

Joco, above is a picture of the Hospital Communitario de Jocotepec. It shows the Seguro Popular insignia on one side of the building. The Guad Reporter has stated, "Estimated operating costs will run at 3.8 million pesos per month, funded by Seguro Popular".  I`m trying to understand how this could not be an SP hospital.  Is it a private hospital but entirely funded by Seguro Popular? Some new kind of joint venture between local people and Seguro Popular?

 

I've never been that far North of the building to be able to see the sign.

The first entrance is back where the cover for vehicles is. The first door is the emergency entrance and the second door to the clinic/hospital is before the white paint on the building begins.

The South side of the building faces the highway and it is the back of the building in this picture. I have called it the Seguro Popular hospital to Mexicans in the area and they don't know what I am talking about. They think it is the Joco community hospital. I have never seen that sign but there is no reason for me to go North of the entrance.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Zeb said:

Here is an update.  It works just as Sparks stated.  I brought four documents to the Chapala location.  These were copies: Passport. Permanente, CURP and one original utility bill from Telmex which was not in our name.  No lease or any originals were requested. No questions were asked.

 

Now I think I had an oversight as evidently there is some type of booklet from what I can determine, based on some of the posts.  The woman who processed us said nothing about any booklet, however, I know I cannot count on their communicating necessary information.

Could someone please tell me where I need to go for the booklet and what to ask for?

 

You will get the booklet when you see the doctor the first time. You need to see a doctor to get your file started. Get many copies of all of your documents because you will need copies every time you go in. 

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1 hour ago, bdmowers said:

Yes, if someone could make sense of IMSS, Seguro Popular, local clinics, Cruz Roja, which of these handle which health conditions, which accepts which kinds of patients, which send / accept which ambulances, how best to deal with an emergency health condition within this mix of services available besides being a monumental task, that person would be doing one of the most important services possible for the people in this geographic area.

 

If you don't have any coverage at all, join SP. Get the SP ambulance phone number. Keep copies of all your SP documents where you can get to them to take with you.

 

If you think you are seriously ill, like with a heart attack, call the SP ambulance and go to the SP hospital in Guad. Otherwise, see a doctor at the Joco hospital. I don't think I ever waited longer than 10 minutes without an appointment. I waited longer times with an appointment for surgery follow-up because he scheduled everyone at the same time and it was first come, first serve. You will be impressed with how professional everyone is and how quick they are.

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2 hours ago, cedros said:

So may rules. Too much for a sick person to deal with.

I think it is a pain. It really helps if you have a Mexican who can make calls for you and take you to the doctor. Hopefully,  someday it will be more streamlined. Mexico seems to enjoy complication. When I first moved here everyone had stamps and stamped all papers several times. Now stamps are rare but SP uses them. I do not like stamps. 

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57 minutes ago, Zeb said:

Here is an update.  It works just as Sparks stated.  I brought four documents to the Chapala location.  These were copies: Passport. Permanente, CURP and one original utility bill from Telmex which was not in our name.  No lease or any originals were requested. No questions were asked.

 

Now I think I had an oversight as evidently there is some type of booklet from what I can determine, based on some of the posts.  The woman who processed us said nothing about any booklet, however, I know I cannot count on their communicating necessary information.

Could someone please tell me where I need to go for the booklet and what to ask for?

They gave you a letter with the name and address of the  Centro de Salud clinic you belong to. Go there with your contract to the administation window and show them your contract and they will make a booklet for you.

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29 minutes ago, Joco said:

If you don't have any coverage at all, join SP. Get the SP ambulance phone number. Keep copies of all your SP documents where you can get to them to take with you.

 

If you think you are seriously ill, like with a heart attack, call the SP ambulance and go to the SP hospital in Guad. Otherwise, see a doctor at the Joco hospital. I don't think I ever waited longer than 10 minutes without an appointment. I waited longer times with an appointment for surgery follow-up because he scheduled everyone at the same time and it was first come, first serve. You will be impressed with how professional everyone is and how quick they are.

So what is the local sp ambulance number?

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Sorry, Joco, did you not look at Dr. Sam's chart? A Seguro Popular member cannot just call a SP ambulance. A Doctor must enter you into the S.A.M.U. system, which is triage based, but policy members seem to have an advantage. So if you fell, breaking bones, you could go to the Chapala clinic, the Cruz Roja, or the fairly new Joco hospital and they would stabilize you, get you into SAMU if you need pins or surgery or joint replacement. Then the SP ambulance will come to Chapala and take you to Guadalajara. If that is not acceptable, you can sign a waiver, and be privately transported to the SP hospital in Guadalajara, and then enter the triage as an emergency patient. In Guadalajara, apparently many people pay a monthly fee to cover private ambulance service. I can't even find the contact for a private ambulance here.

Sign up folks, this is a real game changer.

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6 hours ago, CHILLIN said:

Sorry, Joco, did you not look at Dr. Sam's chart? A Seguro Popular member cannot just call a SP ambulance. A Doctor must enter you into the S.A.M.U. system, which is triage based, but policy members seem to have an advantage. So if you fell, breaking bones, you could go to the Chapala clinic, the Cruz Roja, or the fairly new Joco hospital and they would stabilize you, get you into SAMU if you need pins or surgery or joint replacement. Then the SP ambulance will come to Chapala and take you to Guadalajara. If that is not acceptable, you can sign a waiver, and be privately transported to the SP hospital in Guadalajara, and then enter the triage as an emergency patient. In Guadalajara, apparently many people pay a monthly fee to cover private ambulance service. I can't even find the contact for a private ambulance here.

Sign up folks, this is a real game changer.

 

I was describing the ambulances at the local hospital. The only ambulance that can take a patient to the Joco hospital is one of its ambulances.

I haven't been to the hospital in Guad. I am sure if someone goes to the hospital in Joco and the doctor says he needs to go to SP in Guad, that will cover it.

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20 hours ago, barcelonaman said:

So what is the local sp ambulance number?

I don't know. I was going to write the number down the last time I was there but I forgot.

Maybe next week I'll go back and I will remember to get the number and post it.

 

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1 hour ago, lakeside7 said:

Try this..

Serguro Popular..New Hospital in Joco How to call Ambulance

http://lakechapalareporter.com/dial-066-for-emergency-a-visit-to-the-new-jocotepec-community-hospital/

 

I don't think the 066 number will send the right ambulance. I'll check when I go back. I know when I amputated a finger the 066 number sent the wrong ambulance and it could not take me to the new hospital.

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Haven't they changed the number from 066 to 911?

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On 8/5/2016 at 0:24 PM, CHILLIN said:

ENT has passed a lot of Federal money into Seguros Popular, from what I understand, there is a bit of a membership drive right now. He will, of course, use this as election fodder, and shows he is willing to cooperate with other political parties on major issues.

It might be good advice to get on board with SP before things start to change. People more in the know, please pipe up. Also, what is the senior 64 coverage all about?

what is the senior 64 coverage all about?....  I have not seen an answer to this question. Is there an issue?

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Anybody can use the hospital in Joco.  If you are a SP member for the most part is free.  If not you will have to pay a minimal amount.  Most all of the  specialists are located in Guadalajara at hospital civil.  To see a specialist you must be refered by your local clinic.

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, michael2595 said:

Is Seguro Popular available to temporary/permanent residents over 64

Yes... http://www.soniadiaz.mx/health-care.html

On my web site you will see some changes at least for those joining in San Miguel and I am told nationwide. For example, if a Mexican citizen and a TR or PR answered all the questions the same with the only difference being residency the expat is at a higher level and very likely to pay an annual fee. I have signed up both and proven this at least here. I also represent Seguro Popular at seminars and staff have confirmed this. At least here, if you pay you need to apply annually.

Psst pls do not tell me not so and what the law says. I know the law. I know reality. :-)

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what is the question about the residency in order to reflect foreigners who are permanent residents and Mexicans? Do they ask for your immigration status?

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