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Has anybody found links which discuss hormones, antibiotics and neurotoxins in beef, pork, and especially chicken? I know Mexico banned the import of U.S. meat in 2008 because off the toxins. These methods are banned in Canada and Europe, but not in the U.S. Its possible that the major Mexican chicken producers are still using these drugs in their battery farms.. The very sad part of it all is that all these toxins are introduced to the animals so they can resist disease caused by overcrowding and a paltry 3% growth over non-medicated animals. Someone should be pushing for "natural raised" certification in Mexico. This is also an important issue in Mexico because of the growth of "super" antibiotic resistant bacteria. The extremely powerful antibiotic, Cipro, builds up in your body, and this is what they are using in the chickens. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/30/science/life/30CHIC.html

Here's Wiki on some research I was doing on Essential Tremor:

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The underlying etiology of essential tremor is not clear but many cases seem to be familial.[10] Approximately one-half of the cases are due to a genetic mutation and the pattern of inheritance is most consistent with autosomal dominant transmission. No genes have been identified yet but genetic linkage has been established with several chromosomal regions.[11][12]

A number of environmental factors, including toxins, are also under active investigation as they may play a role in the disease's etiology.[13]Harmane or harmaline has been implicated not only in essential tremors, but is also found in greater quantities in the brain fluid of Parkinson's disease sufferers as well as cancer.[14][15][16] Higher levels of the neurotoxin are associated with greater severity of the tremors.[17][18] Exposure is primarily found from meat consumption of beef, pork, and especially chicken, even when cooked.[19][20][21] Indeed, the greatest meat consumers were significantly more likely to have essential tremor.[21] Harmaline's high lipid solubility enables accumulation in the brain tissue upon consumption from these environmental sources.[17]

 

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Here is a long, well written article from Atlantic, outlining the problems:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-toxins-that-threaten-our-brains/284466/

You know often I swerve off topic - by I do it with good intentions. I think it would be a good idea to put together a little booklet featuring local farmers raising at least natural raised animals, only medicine to save their lives and put into quarantine until the medicines clear. Actually visit farms, and photograph how they are raised. The trouble is I know of no one qualified to make these judgments

I think a lot of people who retire to this part of the world are very health conscious. I think Chapala economic development should be advertising this point - that this area is well known for naturally raised fruit, meat and vegetables. Incentive to leave the crazed chemical zoo of Canada and the U.S. To take charge of your own health and rebuilding it for the positive. Ever wonder why there are so many 90+ year olds in this area?

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Thanks for starting this interesting subject.  

Almost daily reading Mexican newspapers (El Informador and other), listening to local radio stations and talking to Mexican friends, here is my summary (of the last years) :

- high amounts of pesticides found in 80 to 90 % of local (lakeside only) pregnant womens blood (in the last few months)

- a huge part of the Jalisco water wells contain very dangerous levels of arsenic (I read that last year)

- talk to workers of the fields, where the beautiful berries are grown here ... (my lips will never touch that fruit again).  When I did my employment project, I talked to several of them.

- a couple of days ago, a slaughter house in Zapopan was closed, after clenbuterol was found in the animals (forbidden by Mexican law, but still used).  European citizens are warned (by their authorities) about this product, when travelling to this part of the world.

Throwing in some common sense here,... in a country with widespread corruption, ....what is likely to happen when food/health inspectors show up  (at organic farms or regular farms) ?  Yes, corruption is not just the greedy traffic cop.... it can be a slow killer and it affects all of us, on a daily base.  Therefore, that silly little policeman is the least of my worries.  HE is not likely to end my life prematurelyl

The danger of Mexico is not really the crime situation (where media focus on), but the food chain, dangerous sidewalks and el trafico loco.

Have you seen how refried beans are sold and presented ?    Extremely hot beans are poured into the plastic pots.  And you know what happens to heated plastic (according to very recent studies even a slightly warmed water bottle leads to more breast cancer.... think about the garafones.... carried in the sun).

I can already imagine that this might cause strong reactions and shots at the messenger will be fired, because it is not really what you and I want to hear. Closing our eyes will not help either. And since I have no ambitions to be a journalist, I have not kept the sources.  Up to the interested reader to investigate and agree or not.  

I definetely have not come here for healthy living (not even mentioning the health care system), but because of countless Mexican and other North American friends (since 1998).  My home chose me. ...

It (food chain) is not good in Europe either.  I do believe that we human bodies can endure/take more than we think..... but healthy living here ? Hmmm

 Solution ?

 when eating, like with investing, spread your risks + moderation.  .... 

I have not read anything about the Mexican chicken situation.

Nevertheless, I applaud your initiative.

 

Rony

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I was told the berry farms were under investigation for the deaths of 2 children as their parents worked in the fields.  We have friends that were working in the berry farms and have left.  Pregnant women are no longer allowed to work in the fields.

I had heavy metal hair testing done this year after amalgam removal last fall.  Expecting high levels of mercury I was shocked at my results, I tested very high in arsenic and even higher in titanium.  In January I became fruitarian eating fruits, berries and melons.  After the metal testing I started a heavy metal detox.  We aren't going to ever get away from all of the toxins.  I'm not ever going back to the mucus diet of meat, dairy and grains but there are still toxins so what to do?   Keep detoxing.  Make chlorophyll: 

1.5 cups purified water

1 cup cilantro(moves metals)

1/2 cup parsley(binds metals)

1 organic apple(sweet flavor)

liquify, strain pulp, drink 1/2 cup in the morning and 1/2 cup in the evening

This is a recipe from a detoxification expert with nearly 45 years of clinical experience.   Initially I used Dr. Morse's  chemical/metal detox formula.  One night after starting my 3 month detox I felt bubbles on the right side of my head above my ear.  It was pretty creepy but I'm still here.

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6 hours ago, MyHomeSweetHome said:

I was told the berry farms were under investigation for the deaths of 2 children as their parents worked in the fields.  We have friends that were working in the berry farms and have left.  Pregnant women are no longer allowed to work in the fields.

I had heavy metal hair testing done this year after amalgam removal last fall.  Expecting high levels of mercury I was shocked at my results, I tested very high in arsenic and even higher in titanium.  In January I became fruitarian eating fruits, berries and melons.  After the metal testing I started a heavy metal detox.  We aren't going to ever get away from all of the toxins.  I'm not ever going back to the mucus diet of meat, dairy and grains but there are still toxins so what to do?   Keep detoxing.  Make chlorophyll: 

1.5 cups purified water

1 cup cilantro(moves metals)

1/2 cup parsley(binds metals)

1 organic apple(sweet flavor)

liquify, strain pulp, drink 1/2 cup in the morning and 1/2 cup in the evening

This is a recipe from a detoxification expert with nearly 45 years of clinical experience.   Initially I used Dr. Morse's  chemical/metal detox formula.  One night after starting my 3 month detox I felt bubbles on the right side of my head above my ear.  It was pretty creepy but I'm still here.

What do yoh eat for protein?

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12 hours ago, MyHomeSweetHome said:

 

I had heavy metal hair testing done this year after amalgam removal last fall.  Expecting high levels of mercury I was shocked at my results, I tested very high in arsenic and even higher in titanium.

Do you happen to live in Chapala where the arsenic level in the water is high?  Are you adverse to doing chelation therapy for your high metal levels?

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I checked with our gardener again, to make sure I have got this right. Like many of the small farmers in this area he raises a few beef cattle. At 1.5 years old, he sells them to what eventually becomes a feed lot in Northern Mexico or the U.S.A. He uses no antibiotics, hormones etc., that is done in the feedlots. He uses no pesticides in his pastures. It is not a big stretch then to ask him to hold back one vaca, naturally raise and fatten it, then send it out to the butcher. Most of the primal cuts of beef I have seen here are from small, very lean animals - I suspect that no medicines were used in their upbringing, but some of the roadside vacas may be ingesting pesticides. Pork, I haven't been able to figure out yet - there are a lot of imports from the U.S., but local farms as well. Chickens are easy, lots or people raising natural chickens and eggs, fresh every day.

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Is life along the shores of our beautiful Lake Chapala an almost utopia?  Of course not!  Although, it may look almost like paradise and feel almost like paradise on most given days, it certainly is not that either.  But I sincerely think life is real nice down here for so many reasons not to mention the so many cool fresh fruits and vegetables available year round, of which so many I had never heard of or had tasted before coming down here.

Sure, the fruits and veggies here have pesticides, and our water may have high levels of natural occurring arsenic, and spending too much time swimming in the lake might not be the healthiest of pastimes.  But I know I feel healthier by living down here, much healthier than I ever felt living in the US where you rarely walk and artificial food is pushed on you around every corner.  I also bet if you did a poll on the expats living down here, most would attest that they also feel much healthier by living along this gorgeous lake, probably much healthier than in their home countries. Anytime you are obligated by climate to spend six or even nearly twelve months of the year indoors in air tight enclosures, eating all that processed crap and tasteless greenhouse vegetables, you won't feel healthy.  That's just my two centavos on the topic. 

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1 hour ago, dichosalocura said:

Is life along the shores of our beautiful Lake Chapala an almost utopia?  Of course not!  Although, it may look almost like paradise and feel almost like paradise on most given days, it certainly is not that either.  But I sincerily think life is real nice down here for so many reasons not to mention the so many cool fresh fruits and vegetables available year round, of which so many I had never heard of or had tasted before coming down here.

Sure, the fruits and veggies here have pesticides, and our water may have high levels of natural occurring arsenic, and spending too much time swimming in the lake might not be the healtiest of passtimes.  But I know I feel healthier by living down here, much healthier than I ever felt living in the US where you rarely walk and artficial food is pushed on you around every corner.  I also bet if you did a poll on the expats living down here, most would attest that they also feel much healthier by living along this gorgeous lake, probably much healthier than in their home countries. Anytime you are obligated by climate to spend six or even nearly twelve months of the year indoors in air tight enclosures, eating all that processed crap and tasteless greenhouse vegetables, you won't feel healthy.  That's just my two centavos on the topic. 

I like your two centavos and I will seeya on our malecon walk. (But after last nights conversation, I will never drink milk again)

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On 16 June 2016 at 6:55 PM, Rony said:

Thanks for starting this interesting subject.  

Almost daily reading Mexican newspapers (El Informador and other), listening to local radio stations and talking to Mexican friends, here is my summary (of the last years) :

- high amounts of pesticides found in 80 to 90 % of local (lakeside only) pregnant womens blood (in the last few months)

- a huge part of the Jalisco water wells contain very dangerous levels of arsenic (I read that last year)

- talk to workers of the fields, where the beautiful berries are grown here ... (my lips will never touch that fruit again).  When I did my employment project, I talked to several of them.

- a couple of days ago, a slaughter house in Zapopan was closed, after clenbuterol was found in the animals (forbidden by Mexican law, but still used).  European citizens are warned (by their authorities) about this product, when travelling to this part of the world.

Throwing in some common sense here,... in a country with widespread corruption, ....what is likely to happen when food/health inspectors show up  (at organic farms or regular farms) ?  Yes, corruption is not just the greedy traffic cop.... it can be a slow killer and it affects all of us, on a daily base.  Therefore, that silly little policeman is the least of my worries.  HE is not likely to end my life prematurelyl

The danger of Mexico is not really the crime situation (where media focus on), but the food chain, dangerous sidewalks and el trafico loco.

Have you seen how refried beans are sold and presented ?    Extremely hot beans are poured into the plastic pots.  And you know what happens to heated plastic (according to very recent studies even a slightly warmed water bottle leads to more breast cancer.... think about the garafones.... carried in the sun).

I can already imagine that this might cause strong reactions and shots at the messenger will be fired, because it is not really what you and I want to hear. Closing our eyes will not help either. And since I have no ambitions to be a journalist, I have not kept the sources.  Up to the interested reader to investigate and agree or not.  

I definetely have not come here for healthy living (not even mentioning the health care system), but because of countless Mexican and other North American friends (since 1998).  My home chose me. ...

It (food chain) is not good in Europe either.  I do believe that we human bodies can endure/take more than we think..... but healthy living here ? Hmmm

 Solution ?

 when eating, like with investing, spread your risks + moderation.  .... 

I have not read anything about the Mexican chicken situation.

Nevertheless, I applaud your initiative.

 

Rony

No shots at the messenger. Instead, you gave me a lot to think about. It never occurred to me that the corruption extends into this area, but it makes perfect sense. And yeah, that is scary.

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On 17 June 2016 at 8:04 PM, MyHomeSweetHome said:

I was told the berry farms were under investigation for the deaths of 2 children as their parents worked in the fields.  We have friends that were working in the berry farms and have left.  Pregnant women are no longer allowed to work in the fields.

I had heavy metal hair testing done this year after amalgam removal last fall.  Expecting high levels of mercury I was shocked at my results, I tested very high in arsenic and even higher in titanium.  In January I became fruitarian eating fruits, berries and melons.  After the metal testing I started a heavy metal detox.  We aren't going to ever get away from all of the toxins.  I'm not ever going back to the mucus diet of meat, dairy and grains but there are still toxins so what to do?   Keep detoxing.  Make chlorophyll: 

1.5 cups purified water

1 cup cilantro(moves metals)

1/2 cup parsley(binds metals)

1 organic apple(sweet flavor)

liquify, strain pulp, drink 1/2 cup in the morning and 1/2 cup in the evening

This is a recipe from a detoxification expert with nearly 45 years of clinical experience.   Initially I used Dr. Morse's  chemical/metal detox formula.  One night after starting my 3 month detox I felt bubbles on the right side of my head above my ear.  It was pretty creepy but I'm still here.

I like this recipe. But how can we know that the cilantro and parsley is free of contaminants. Even organic is suspect. 

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23 hours ago, Yo1 said:

Do you happen to live in Chapala where the arsenic level in the water is high?  Are you adverse to doing chelation therapy for your high metal levels?

These were my previous questions that went unanswered.  I am trying to get at where you think you picked up so much arsenic.  Chelation therapy is very good a removing heavy metals and is used by alternative medical specialists.  Why do you think your recipe better than chelation?  Just trying to learn something.

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Chlorophyll & Diatomaceous Earth (food grade only) are noted for their heavy metal detoxification benefits.

Good for everyone, no matter where you live, the benefits of the above, go beyond that of heavy metal detoxification.

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5 hours ago, hensley said:

If we paid attention to all this stuff we would eat nothing!

Think of all the money you would save, J.

 

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On 6/17/2016 at 2:13 AM, bdlngton said:

What do yoh eat for protein?

How does a fruitarian, someone who only eats fruits, berries and melons get their protein? Great question and was also my first question when learning about eating fruit. The body utilizes amino acids which are protein in it's simplest form. Fruits (and greens) contain all essential amino acids(proteins) necessary to support muscle growth. Animal protein is acidic, the body has to work hard to break it down into amino acids so the body can use it. Too much animal protein is breaking us down by its acids, it's a burden on our system and causes arthritis and many ailments. It causes us to be acidic falling into bad acidosis which is causing us to be sick with anything from canker sores to cancer. I'm not blaming bad acidosis only on meat protein but the SAD American Diet which is a mucus forming diet of too much mucus forming foods including dairy, meat and grains. Fruits, berries and melons are base in chemistry meaning they are alkaline. Sickness cannot thrive in an alkaline body. There are well known athletes, some body builders, eating raw with astounding accomplishments. Raws(people) don't need the recovery time that meat eaters need after marathons. Think of the animals that don't eat meat yet they're enormous, much larger than we are, muscular and they never eat meat. Cows, horses, gorillas, elephants. They all get their protein from amino acids in their plant based diet.

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I just had a delicious Father‘s Day breakfast of tamales de puerco, fried eggs, beans, tortillas and salsa with coffee and real cream. I may be doomed, but I am happy!

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In US they do not use Growth Hormones on chickens it doesn't work for some reason.  Yes it was used years ago before they knew better.

Some of the heavy metals come from Sushi, Tuna, Swordfish eaten over time up north.   Two of my friends light up from Mercury and they just moved here but so much for the seafood California/Hawaii  lifestyle. You could have lived in Flint Mich. or hundreds of other cities with lead in the water from pipes. I wouldn't know where to start in factory work an example would be Chrome poisoning from working in a plating plant.  How do you think they make those shiny bumpers?  Our whole lifestyle is in contact with bad crap  in my opinion.

The Chapala water basin talked about in some of the posts is not really near all our wells here.  You have to read the whole study to see this but it is truly scary. Got a block charcoal filter or reverse osmosis filter  on your water system??? 

 

 

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On 6/17/2016 at 8:23 AM, Yo1 said:

Do you happen to live in Chapala where the arsenic level in the water is high?  Are you adverse to doing chelation therapy for your high metal levels?

We are on well water with a ultra violet light and activated carbon for our drinking water.  Dr. said there's high toxins everywhere.  Best to make it a practice to detox.

Dr. Robert Morse ND is a detoxification expert, bio chemist and cell regeneration specialist with nearly 45 years of clinical practice.  He makes sense.  Here's several of his question & answer videos from rawfigs.com with time stamps, play all and it'll jump to the next video where he addresses chelation, very interesting.

http://www.rawfigs.com/?s=chelation&reg=0

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Rony, could you say more about the berry farms? My hope was to move back there someday to Joco and teach english at the berry farms. I also ate those fruits like there was no tomorrow when I lived there. Thanks ahead of time. I noticed the berries that get shipped to USA are either organic or not, of course, the organic being more expoensive. I wonder if it makes any difference if it's all coming from a related farm over there.

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