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A new research report out from The Center for Immigration Studies, a highly respected independent, non-partisan, non-profit, research group.

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the "center for immigration studies" is a good source. see jessica vaughan's site/blog. she is one of the top people there. sorry i dont have the skills to post vids/articals. veterans are homeless & die waiting for care the message is loud & clear. even on TOB this was mentioned a few months ago. (the vet issue). i myself dont need to read these articals that much. all i have to do is go back to the US, walk thru the muslim/african areas talk w/people. the "wall" can do just so much. what it cant do is stop the mid eastern refugee programs. those folks fly in. i dont know if any US politician can stop this. the globalists are running things. in ten years, you wont know where you are, who you are. mexico does want to perserve its culture. they dont give much to its citizens but it is what it is.

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The Center for Immigration Studies is a political organization. It is not at all unbiased.




"The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a non-profit research organization that advocates immigration reduction in the United States."


Illegals cannot collect welfare. Legal immigrants must be in the U.S. for more than 5 years to apply.





"Myth #3: They drain the system"


"Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.


Non-citizen immigrant adults and children are about 25% less likely to be signed up for Medicaid than their poor native-born equivalents and are also 37% less likely to receive food stamps, according to a 2013 study by the Cato Institute.


Citizen children of illegal immigrants -- often derogatorily referred to as "anchor babies" -- do qualify for social benefits. Also, undocumented immigrants are eligible for schooling and emergency medical care. Currently, the average unlawful immigrant household costs taxpayers $14,387 per household, according to a recent report by The Heritage Foundation. But in its 2013 "Immigration Myths and Facts" report, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says most economists see providing these benefits as an investment for the future, when these children become workers and taxpayers."

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What struck me even more than the statistics for the 'illegal immigrants,' was the 52.4% of 'natives' who receive some form of welfare...including 44.8% of 'natives' who are eligible for food assistance...and the number of 'natives' who receive housing assistance is even greater than those who are 'illegal immigrants.'

I believe that is, in part, due to the current conditions of the economy, and the lack of jobs that supply a living wage. Two adults can work full-time at Walmart and still qualify for food-stamps.

Exactly. The U.S. economy doesn't have enough decent jobs to go around. The working middle class is getting killed. Importing surplus labor in the face of that is nothing less than a betrayal of the American people by the government.

And it has been going on for a long, long time and been perpetuated by all of those politicians up there, folks.

BTW, the Center for Immigration Studies is very careful to cite and source the data they use. They are at least as credible if not more so than these fronts for open borders.

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It should be noted that the mean and cruel, racist etc. US takes in 20% of the entire worlds refugees while only having 5% of the worlds population - to support them. And, the difference between "illegal" and "refugee" is that a refugee immediately qualifies for the full plate of welfare benefits (I might note, originally designed for American citizens in need of a hand up) while illegals have to work a bit harder to get the same - but far from impossible under the current administration.

More than 90 percent of recent refugees from Middle Eastern nations are on food stamps and nearly 70 percent receive cash assistance, according to government data.

So; http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/10/more-than-90-percent-of-middle-eastern-refugees-on-food-stamps/

This is where socialism fails dramatically, sooner or later you run out of other peoples money and it's going to happen rather quickly and dramatically in Europe and not far behind in the US. But, I see the Saudis are doing their share, they've offered to build 200 mosques for the refugees in - - - Germany - that's what I call a real deal?

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And, all this has to do life in Mexico how?

It is providing a forum for all the disgruntled Trump supporters and others who have the solution to the problems in the USof A and don't mind arguing endlessly in circles about something they have zero control over. What else is new? ^_^

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The Center for Immigration Studies is a political organization. It is not at all unbiased.
"The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a non-profit research organization that advocates immigration reduction in the United States."
Illegals cannot collect welfare. Legal immigrants must be in the U.S. for more than 5 years to apply.
"Myth #3: They drain the system"
"Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.
Non-citizen immigrant adults and children are about 25% less likely to be signed up for Medicaid than their poor native-born equivalents and are also 37% less likely to receive food stamps, according to a 2013 study by the Cato Institute.
Citizen children of illegal immigrants -- often derogatorily referred to as "anchor babies" -- do qualify for social benefits. Also, undocumented immigrants are eligible for schooling and emergency medical care. Currently, the average unlawful immigrant household costs taxpayers $14,387 per household, according to a recent report by The Heritage Foundation. But in its 2013 "Immigration Myths and Facts" report, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says most economists see providing these benefits as an investment for the future, when these children become workers and taxpayers."

Nice catch Joco. This poster and this report by the Center for Immigration Studies have been thoroughly discredited on two other recent threads on this board. But the poster continues to open new threads on the same subject. I guess he takes his lead from Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels who said, "If you repeat a lie often enough, it will become the truth." I am surprised that this board allows...and even encourages...this kind of anti-immigrant propaganda and ideological rhetoric.

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xena, the point was to say that mex & US are radically different in policy. this post is a follow up to the first one. wikipedia is a public forum. anyone can add info. basically left leaning college kids work there, as you can see by most of their other topics. center for immigration studies (as MC said) is not a front for open borders. all i know is that some airports in the US look like arabia. jessica vaughn (CIS) did some good reporting during last summer. (the 100,000 alleged minors, which were a good % of older boys from gangs. they are now on the outskirts of boston doing what they do).

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alex. whats the diference who says what. you yourself havnt been/lived in thesame places i have. talking to me is like talking to boots on the ground. gringal, if you read my post from other thread, you will see that i know a wall will not solve it. will get back to you w/the post #. im not in lala land. its like fixing a hole in a boat thats being flooded. but there is another hole which cannot be. doute DT can fight the world gov.

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alex. whats the diference who says what. you yourself havnt been/lived in thesame places i have. talking to me is like talking to boots on the ground. gringal, if you read my post from other thread, you will see that i know a wall will not solve it. will get back to you w/the post #. im not in lala land. its like fixing a hole in a boat thats being flooded. but there is another hole which cannot be. doute DT can fight the world gov.

Bennie: you have no idea where I've lived or what I've seen nor any idea of what others who don't agree with your views have experienced in their lifetimes. Commenting as though you know such things is ridiculous. ^_^

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gringal, what i said was in reference to the comment was about the mideastern/african re settlement programs: the "refugees" fly in. (post #3). it may be difficult even if DT was pres, to stop that. world court/soros more powerful can override. soros net worth is like 100xs that of D. as good as a wall may be, it wont block the other programs. i know where you have lived, not anywhere near where i have. "if" you did, it may have been so long ago, that it's apples & oranges. plus the comment was not really directed to you. you are more practical than most folks here. we are not "disgruntled". the media is. they were wrong on every single prediction about the D. now he has 25% of a afro american vote. why? they want jobs. he is getting some of the hispanic middle class& vote. why? they know who is coming in, there goes the neighborhood. (like jardin basque in guad). for everyone else here: when you have to resort to "nazi's & jaywalking", you know who just may have an edge. MC, your posts are terrific. mentioned the 9000 muslims per month coming in sometime ago. maybe 3 months back. you douted me, wanted a link. (thread about china). now you have the info. IMO, most of he americans (canadians/european culture) will put their own last. this generation has been coddled & protected. (except for vets/police). foreigners from 3rd world are more important than themselves. (especially if they are far away from where the action is). repeated narrative engrained into our culture. the US was both loved& feared, now its disrespected. gringal, a huge % of muslims (less educated ones) get welfare they can spend all day in mosques. they live off the dumb infidel. the other refugees live off the dumb gringo. alex, you think these folks are coming w/bank accounts? propaganda is an opinion. you want to censor dialoque? go to TOB.

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Bennie, since the OP made no point but simply posted his link, you have no more idea than anyone else what his point was. Maybe he will share that now. Perhaps he can make a connection from posting the link to the purpose of this forum and justify this thread being here.

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alex, want to get into "propaganda"? ill use one of your examples about the "big lie". the US media knew all the sorted details pre WW2, so did the politicans. rallies that were held in the late 20s early 30s in NY. they had almost zero coverage. (except on ethnic news outlets). after all was said & done (when the war was over), the press pretended to be shocked. so goebbel's was correct. the public was lied to untill 1946. ill just leave it right here. you have discredited yourself. becareful what you say.

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Xena, I'll quote an old poem to answer your question, it applies more today than ever.

All things connected together are,

you cannot pick a daisy without ruffling a distant star

To imagine any of us anywhere live in a comfy insulated cocoon blissfully ignorant
and unaffected by the rest of the world is truly delusional.

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I do not make the rules for this forum, nor did I establish what topics are appropriate for discussion here. So, what does the OP have to do with living life in Mexico?

I will repeat: this discussion has been providing a vehicle for people of a certain point of view to express themselves freely on politics in the U.S.A.,which I understood was not allowed on this forum. Apparently, I misunderstood. :huh:Personally, I'd rather have a discussion about Mexico, but it's up to the mods to make that judgment call.

At this rate, this will turn into something ugly when the next election in the U.S.A. nears. People are as polarized on here as they are back NOB. It's as though they never left "home".

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gringal, think of the ratings!!! chapalawebboard has more hits the last few days than any other expat outlet. they lifted the ban on politics. everyone behaved well for the last 2 threads. its a class act. happy to engage. bravo to chapala realestate.

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I'm amazed that any of you imagine that living at the Lake is somehow isolated from the rest of reality. If it were, when the word gets out, it would look like the current invasion of the EU. The fact is that we live more and more in a homogeneous world, I for one am not all that excited about it, but it is what it is.

The Gov of TX was just in MX meeting with El Presidente and he's coming to Austin to continue joint discussions on commerce including the newly opened energy opportunities, border security both on the N border of MX and on the S border because it all affects us here - and guess what, you folks are right in the middle of it there, so nice as it might be to close you eyes, plug your ears and chant something, we are all in an extremely dynamic point in history that can go any number of ways.

Mexico has always said it was a blessing and a curse to be next door to the US - well, could be it works both ways. As I said in an earlier thread, the difference between the current migration and the one of the 1800's is that those people knew it was a one way trip, they'd never return. We've all driven through the border and there is always a line of pickups, trailers piled high with stuff of Mexicans going back home either for a visit or sometimes to live, a very different dynamic, assimilation is not their intent.

Yes, the coming election will be somewhat unique in our lifetimes, whatever comes of it will certainly change the overall political landscape. People of all stripes are frustrated, tired of politics as usual and are saying so with their candidates and their votes.

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The economics of the US will require the next 3 generations of work age young adults to modify their expectations and become low wage earners and service personnel that also includes household workers receiving a wage and bed and board. This is the cycle. It is historical and must happen again. Unfortunately we have family twigs which will be effected by this cycle. If they want to eat they will be in service to others who can feed, cloth and house them.

It is NOT what we worked so hard for our world to be, but it is going to be this way. Not everyone can have a college education and make more than the median wage. There will 3 to 5 generations withut a middle class as we knew it from 1948 to 2005. If you cannot do science, math, computers, or are personality equipped for extreme entreprenurial risks you are best not going into debt with college general education betting on the come, so to speak. Re-trench, at this point go toward technical education in HVAC, plumbing, electric, etc..specialize in excellent carpentry for high end. Set your sons and daughters up to serve the 10-15%, they will survive nicely enough. Everybody else will be working at a personal service level.

The best advice we have had to date is to spread our family money out amoung the next 3 to 5 generations. Give each the opportunity to have funds to perform in their world. Because the world will look nothing like what we are familiar with up to this point.

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Regardless of whether you are an immigrant and illegal border immigrant or a life long citizen.. What ever world you live in here is why you will never and your generations to come will never rise beyond two or three ticks on the income scale....

http://www.quora.com/How-did-Mark-Cuban-save-his-wealth-from-the-dot-com-crash

open in a new tab and read the comments, that is the meat.

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gringal, what i said was in reference to the comment was about the mideastern/african re settlement programs: the "refugees" fly in. (post #3). it may be difficult even if DT was pres, to stop that. world court/soros more powerful can override. soros net worth is like 100xs that of D. as good as a wall may be, it wont block the other programs. i know where you have lived, not anywhere near where i have. "if" you did, it may have been so long ago, that it's apples & oranges. plus the comment was not really directed to you. you are more practical than most folks here. we are not "disgruntled". the media is. they were wrong on every single prediction about the D. now he has 25% of a afro american vote. why? they want jobs. he is getting some of the hispanic middle class& vote. why? they know who is coming in, there goes the neighborhood. (like jardin basque in guad). for everyone else here: when you have to resort to "nazi's & jaywalking", you know who just may have an edge. MC, your posts are terrific. mentioned the 9000 muslims per month coming in sometime ago. maybe 3 months back. you douted me, wanted a link. (thread about china). now you have the info. IMO, most of he americans (canadians/european culture) will put their own last. this generation has been coddled & protected. (except for vets/police). foreigners from 3rd world are more important than themselves. (especially if they are far away from where the action is). repeated narrative engrained into our culture. the US was both loved& feared, now its disrespected. gringal, a huge % of muslims (less educated ones) get welfare they can spend all day in mosques. they live off the dumb infidel. the other refugees live off the dumb gringo. alex, you think these folks are coming w/bank accounts? propaganda is an opinion. you want to censor dialoque? go to TOB.

Funny that someone who is an illegal in Mexico has so much hatred of illegals in the U.S.

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Nice catch Joco. This poster and this report by the Center for Immigration Studies have been thoroughly discredited on two other recent threads on this board. But the poster continues to open new threads on the same subject. I guess he takes his lead from Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels who said, "If you repeat a lie often enough, it will become the truth." I am surprised that this board allows...and even encourages...this kind of anti-immigrant propaganda and ideological rhetoric.

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What good fortune for governments that the people do not think." Adolf Hitler
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/on-the-dole-report-87-illegal-immigrant-families-on-welfare-72-of-legal-immigrants-on-it/article/2571730

A new research report out from The Center for Immigration Studies, a highly respected independent, non-partisan, non-profit, research group.

If this is a respected organization, respected by whom? Its sole purpose is to stop almost all immigration, legal and illegal.

Stating that illegals are receiving welfare benefits is ridiculous. Illegals cannot produce proof of legal residency so they cannot receive benefits.

If this site is claiming that the U.S. citizen children of illegals are receiving benefits, they are legal citizens and allowed to receive benefits no matter who their parents are.

Legal immigrants apply for benefits less often than U.S. citizens. Illegals never receive welfare. Both classes are less of a drain on the system, not more.

https://www.nilc.org/overview-immeligfedprograms.html

"the law prohibits “not qualified” immigrants from enrolling in most federal public benefit programs. Federal public benefits include a variety of safety-net services paid for by federal funds. But the welfare law’s definition does not specify which particular programs are covered by the term, leaving that clarification to each federal benefit granting agency. In 1998, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) published a notice clarifying which of its programs fall under the definition. The list of 31 HHS programs includes Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), Medicare, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Foster Care, Adoption Assistance, the Child Care and Development Fund, and the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program."
"Congress restricted eligibility even for many qualified immigrants by arbitrarily distinguishing between those who entered the U.S. before or “on or after” the date the law was enacted, August 22, 1996. The law barred most immigrants who entered the U.S. on or after that date from “federal means-tested public benefits” during the five years after they secure qualified immigrant status.Federal agencies clarified that “federal means-tested public benefits” are Medicaid (except for emergency care), CHIP, TANF, food stamps, and SSI."
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