Rony Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 I would like to remind a few local sleezy characters, that my employment project is NOT to be used as a satisfaction for their sexual needs. Over the last 5 years, it has happened at least 3 times now, where I find out from a job seeker that their employer, I put them in contact with, thinks that employing someone automatically gives him the right to touch his worker inappropriately (already in the first days of employment). I have no evidence and therefore I can not accuse anybody directly (nor am I in the positon to do this), but some people should not forget that " acoso sexual en el trabajo " is not small potatoes, and the next time, I will remind the victim of that. I gladly offer this free service, where I intermediate between job seekers and potential employers, but I will refuse to help anybody, where I notice a big red flag (pointing at indecent intentions) or where I received a complaint from someone. And not just to women...... in the past, I refused to help someone, who was looking for "cute waiters". There are areas in Guadalajara, where they can get what they want. Whoever the shoe fits, don't bother to contact me anymore. Apart from taking advantage from people in weak positions, you are giving all of us, expats, a bad name (and also blemish my project). You just might not easily get away with it. Especially in a weak justice system, you don't want to mess with an angry father or husband, where you might need a good health insurance. Rony http://vivachapala.blogspot.mx/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 I'm not sure why you are lecturing this group about this. Have the offenders been expats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TioBob Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Is this board only for expats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rony Posted August 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 I'm not sure why you are lecturing this group about this. Have the offenders been expats? It doesn't matter if they are expats or not and I am not lecturing a whole group (" a few local sleezy characters"). "lecturing" is not a nice choice of words from your part anyway. Instead of shooting at the messenger, you could also, reread my post (but properly) and see this as an attempt to keep this project clean and to avoid that maybe less people will become victims. You decide the way you want to look at things. As Tiobob points out, and you of all people should know,...... this is not only a board for expats (I actually personnaly know a few Mexicans, who are members here..... and that is great). Through this board, I have been communicating about this project,..... so why should I not mention other parts of it and share with others why I am sometimes upset about it. Surely, once in a while, we can talk about other things than the weather, no? And if my post (about this very important subject., by the way)) would only help 1 person, than it would not be in vain. A simply disappointing reaction (and a not very refined one) from a moderator, but I can live with that. Rony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Is this board only for expats? I think you will find that this board is mostly expats. It is not a question of who it is for, it is who is mainly on it. And that is expats. Like you, Bob. And me. And Rony. It may be a public board but in this case our public is almost all expat. I apologize Rony if you didn't like the word lecturing although it did feel somewhat like that to me. I certainly wasn't "shooting" at you and I did read what you posted. It is pretty strong IMO. I sure understand if you're upset that someone might be abusing your efforts to help people by trying to take advantage of them. You should be ticked off. What I was trying to find out is whether the individuals you are chastising are likely to be found here. If so, this is the right place. If not, since we don't know who they are I don't see how this group can help you with this. I sincerely hope that no one who frequents this board would view your very generous help given to people looking for work as an invitation to view your efforts as running an escort service. In any case, let's hope they see and get the message via some channel. What you have reported certainly fits under the heading of sleazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezpz Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Yes, there are sleazy expats here. I've met a few rude ones, myself! My Mexicana amiga who works as an in home nurse has told me of her first hand accounts of being harassed and/or propositioned by gringo clients. I won't divulge the details. I've also witnessed an expat man grabbing a young Mexican woman, even when there were other people around to witness it. Some of these jerks seem to think that all the Mexican women are so poor and desperate for money that they will gladly be their hookers. That is so rude and insulting! And potentially dangerous if the victim decides to spill the beans to her male relatives. This is a dirty little secret that no one talks about. Deportation would be a just consequence for that type of behavior! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBearII Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 When my maid interviews with potential new employers, I always go with her, to make sure things appear proper, and let her know that she should tell me if she has a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the walkers Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 to quote Art March, Perry's father," If my maid doesn't put out, I get another maid." heard at Donas Dougnuts about 12 years ago.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerGuy Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 Two things here: expats on this board who need a hiring service know about Rony's excellent work, and now they are also informed about the potential for abuse. And two, let's be honest, many of us come here to report on troubling issues and vent a little at the same time. Nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xena Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 The OP did not sound like lecturing to me. It sounded like someone bringing out into the open something anyone paying attention knows goes on here in many formats. I find it disengenuous to act as though fine northern gentlemen (whether they post on a web board or not) would never stoop to such behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiko Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 The Immigration office in Chapala will aggressively pursue deportation proceedings of expat sex offenders provided the victims filed complaints through the proper channels with the local authorities. It is not just Mexican women who have been victimized in these cases, quite a few naive expat women have also been victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 It's not surprising that we have some sleazy characters behaving badly. There are a lot of people here, and anyone who's followed the news over the past years knows that we've had people on the lam from crimes committed NOB, con artists with scams of every kind you can think of who've relieved people of their money, ladies of dubious virtue trading "love" for money and many others nameless nasties. Good on you, Rony, for speaking up. Fortunately, the good folks are in the majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajijiccharlie Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 Rony, thank for for opening this problem to public discussion and thank you for the service you provide to the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bowie Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 Knowing Rony well, he would not have posted his comments here, unless he felt very strongly that he would get the attention of some people needing to hear that in the future he would advise offended people that they have strong recourses. Well said, Rony ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 I join the other folks who are saddened by the "abuse" of any employee, be it national or foreign employer. As a matter of interest what "guarantee" does Rony provide about the people he has on his books. What background checks are run etc. In many situations it becomes a she said, He said etc etc. I think getting into personal placement business is precarious and fraught with problems. I guess many of us here have had experiences of being taken advantage of by maids and gardeners etc. We woke up to day, life is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bennie2 Posted August 3, 2015 Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 it works both ways. rony makes it clear he is not responsible for thefts. if he hears complaints about the same worker, he will remove from data base. hes providing a service. same w/the expat employers. if he gets complaints then they wont get workers. doesnt sound like too many expats mis behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rony Posted August 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2015 I join the other folks who are saddened by the "abuse" of any employee, be it national or foreign employer. As a matter of interest what "guarantee" does Rony provide about the people he has on his books. What background checks are run etc. In many situations it becomes a she said, He said etc etc. I think getting into personal placement business is precarious and fraught with problems. I guess many of us here have had experiences of being taken advantage of by maids and gardeners etc. We woke up to day, life is good. No guarantuee at all and I try to make that clear as often as I can. Therefore it is also a free service (can you imagine the time and costs involved + the risks and responsibility). It is up to the potential employer to do that (if he/she choses to). I ask for a copy of any kind of ID + references that I pass on to the employer (if there are any). If someone did a great job somewhere, than that person will move to the top of the list (for a future job). If a job seeker doesn't show, does a bad job, etc...... I will not be eager to preselect that person again. At the same time, I also have to keep in mind that there are a few paranoid people here, who strongly believe that everybody is a thief. A thin line to walk. All I do is connecting people. That is it, not more, not less. And sometimes I am not able to help (like a lot of restaurants here, who hire and sack, almost by the minute). It is not a watertight system and I never claimed it to be (nor was it my intention). Before I started this, about 5 years ago, there was nothing and if you were looking to hire someone, good luck. Every once in a while, if it is about a job, where the caregiver works for a weak, elderly (single) person,...... I talk to other Mexicans (to check him/her out), who know the worker. Especially here in Chapala, everybody knows everybody. The one and biggest mistake on this webboard, I witness too often (in all kinds of areas)..... the very best info or recommendations, you DO NOT get from other expats, but from the Mexicans, but that is also my personal opinion. Out of the 100 times, I get contacted for workers (by potential employers) and I send a preselected list, about 50 % doesn't even reply to say that they received the list (and that is a shame, because getting more feedback would improve my system). A bunch of Mexicans (job seekers) are angry with me personally because they don't understand why they have never been called or contacted, while I also make it clear to every single one of them that I don't have jobs for 1500 people. Than there are the angry people, that never get a chance again because they messed up somewhere (and I told them). I have also been contacted (several times) by people (potential employers) who don't play with a full deck (as in German : Er hat nicht alle Tasse im Schrank)........ They are sometimes still upnorth and have no intention of hiring anybody (to much time on their hands). One day, I got contacted by an expat, who very strongly recommended his maid (so that she could get more hours somewhere else.....so he said). From a good source, I found out later that this was his way of getting rid of her, without having to pay severence pay (so that she would quit herself). Too often, I hear of sacked workers who get no or shamefully little severence pay. I am writing down all this, NOT to complain, but to show that yes, I did get a little upset, if on top of all the rest, the cheap sex hunters show up. Let me conclude by saying that even with all that, I am the happiest person in the world when I am able to do the perfect match, ..... like the single mother with no income, who finally makes some real money........ or if a deathly sick expat gets a wonderful nurse by his bed, the same day, after contacting me. All that makes up, for all the above. And no, I never receive one peso for it and would not want it (quite the opposite, ...... I have paid for ads out of my own pocket). A lot of people here do their share, in whatever project. The relationship worker/employer here, is a very interesting one, especially since there is not only the working relationship but also the very different cultures. Too often, I notice a lot of misunderstandings and opposite expectations, without neither side realizing. Again, this post is to long, but I could write a whole book about this subject. But, Lakeside7, thanks for asking the question (and yes, I am still here). Rony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natbug Posted August 4, 2015 Report Share Posted August 4, 2015 Applause for Rony-for speaking out and for what he does to help the community! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerGuy Posted August 4, 2015 Report Share Posted August 4, 2015 Double applause for Rony. A simple concept, put into effect by a caring man, completely volunteer, putting people who have work in touch with people who need work... why do we have to lay burdens and restrictions on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cartero Posted August 4, 2015 Report Share Posted August 4, 2015 I echo the accolades for Rony. The Walkers were spot on with Match's statement and it is a sentiment that has all too much support by a lot of perverted foreigners some pillars of the community. Unfortunately proving rape or extortion cases are not easy because of lack of corroboration and reluctance to file a criminal complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bennie2 Posted August 4, 2015 Report Share Posted August 4, 2015 no good deed goes unpunished. rony does an excellent job. ill leave it right here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenity6 Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Rony, thank you for bringing this to our attention. We may not be the offenders ourselves, but it is very important that these occurrences and issues are brought out into the open and people are made aware. Just as if someone has a bad experience with a mechanic messing up a car, or a doctor committing malpractice, its better that we know of said bad experience so we can make our own judgment on how to proceed with the person/business in question, than to not have the info and be ignorant as to the person's (alleged) misdeeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rony Posted August 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Rony, thank you for bringing this to our attention. We may not be the offenders ourselves, but it is very important that these occurrences and issues are brought out into the open and people are made aware. Just as if someone has a bad experience with a mechanic messing up a car, or a doctor committing malpractice, its better that we know of said bad experience so we can make our own judgment on how to proceed with the person/business in question, than to not have the info and be ignorant as to the person's (alleged) misdeeds. If a worker brings "things" to my attention, I don't have the proof, as I wasn't a witness. Furthermore, the caregiver might not want to persue it, and I have to respect that. Sometimes, I get e-mails (or asking me in person), with a potential employer looking for a certain type of worker, and it is quite obvious, what he is looking for..........., but nothing illegal about asking. And finally, I do this for free, ...... the last thing I want, is ending up in a courtcase. This was merely a gentle warning to (a very small minority) to people with bad intentions, and I can only hope that at least one of them read this. Coming from a country with a decent justice system, I believe that the person is only guilty, after being proven guilty, and therefore, publishing names here would not be fair, nor smart. Rony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bowie Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 I believe that the person is only guilty, after being proven guilty, and therefore, publishing names here would not be fair, nor smart. Rony However, in Mexico, you are Presunto Culpable, and very few extranjeros have a realistic idea of what that can mean. AND, we hope NEVER to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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