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I have eaten at this restaurant and it is not so special as to not allow dogs.

I love my dogs and happily take one with me sometimes for an outing, including food. BUT I don't think a restaurant's "special" status has anything to do with dogs being allowed or not. It's the right of the restaurant owner to decide about pets being allowed. There are lots of restaurants to choose from if you have your dog with you. This wonderful restaurant made a decision that should be graciously accepted. I certainly won't stop enjoying the meals and service because I can't bring my dog with me.

Carol

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The Culinary Art Society of Ajijic (CASA) is having their Awards Banquet at Ninette's again this year. Oscar did an outstanding job with over 50 attending last year. We held it on a Monday evening when he is closed. We chose 4 entrees off the menu for the guests to choose from. The staff and the service was excellent. I encourage all other groups to do the same. Having a fireplace is also a big treat this time of year!

maw

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I love my dogs and happily take one with me sometimes for an outing, including food. BUT I don't think a restaurant's "special" status has anything to do with dogs being allowed or not. It's the right of the restaurant owner to decide about pets being allowed. There are lots of restaurants to choose from if you have your dog with you. This wonderful restaurant made a decision that should be graciously accepted. I certainly won't stop enjoying the meals and service because I can't bring my dog with me.

Carol

It actually is not the choice of the restaurant. It is the law. The problem would not exist if some restaurants didn‘t ignore the law out of desperation to get customers, which is understandable in this economy and with just too many restaurants in the area. The problem would also not exist if some expats would not feel so ‘entitled‘. We have dogs and love them, but they stay at home when we go out to eat or to shop.

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I would like to chime in with the rest of the posters. I have always enjoyed your restaurant, food, service,ambience. I would like to apologise for this nasty woman as well.I worked in a very trendy restaurant ofr a few years as a bartender in Venice Calif and every once in a while we would get very rich entitled patrons that acted like her. They think they are exempt from good behavior and have no respect for anyone. I always would think they must be miserable inside to act like that. It is her problem not yours.

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It's the law! By law, no dogs allowed inside restaurants, despite the fact that some restauranteurs allow them. Some of my favorite restaurants have posted signs saying so. Oscar, put up an attractive but firm sign at your entrance. The law is on your side.

And please....what's with this "ugly American" thing? How do we know she was an American? She was rude and obnoxious. Why should any of us foreigners be embarrassed by such behavior? Disgusted, yes.

Lexy

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I fully agree. That lady needs re-education.

Having said that..... if it is the law, why are there big restaurants in Guadalajara and Mexico City (can't think of the names but I have eaten there....... More Liana might now.... in La Condesa, many others.....), that do allow pets. They have large signs with "Mascota bienvenida" and have special drinking bowls ready. Among many others, there is one on Avenida Vallarta (GDL), close to centro Magna (send me the dimes). What about the law there ??

I know that it has been discussed numerous times, but there often is an overreaction, when it is about dogs in restaurants and on busses. Lots of these places are infested by cockroaches and some restaurant owners act as if they are going to get an instant heart attack, when you show up with a nice, clean little dog, that you keep away from other people.

I will not even mention how, on the whole, restaurants handle hygiene (I personally know a lot of people who work at these "fancy" Ajijic restaurants..... you don't want to know....) and the number of people that get food poisonings after eating there....... but a doggie (and "the law"...yeah right), oooh nooo..... please,...the hypocrisie of it all.

I can only say that when I had my little restaurant here in 2005/2006, dogs got served first (water.....before their owners) and for the people that did not like that......bad luck. I never heard of anybody getting sick at my place and since it was pretty busy, I don't think anybody did (since there are no secrets here at Lakeside). But I made sure that hands were washed all the time and food handled with the greatest care.

I respect other people and will always sit as far as I can from other people (I believe in some rules, when having a dog in a restaurant : in my resto, one customer had his dog licking his plate and I immediately told him to never ever have him do that again), but I strongly believe that perspective is completely lost here.

Early morning, I see how, with dirty hands, bread and rolls are practically thrown in baskets (when nobody is watching) and when the customer shows up, they use a napkin or plastic bag. All Facade.

Realizing that I go against the flow here (but that is fine),....I try not to eat at places that refuse dogs. Some people at restaurants bother me a lot more than most dogs.

Bon appetit.

the ugly Belgian, Rony

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I am very grateful for the outside restaurants that allow dogs - outside. I admit even old dog loving me would rather not share an inside restaurant area with a shedding dog. What did she mean - no other place to put the dog? She doesn't have a house? The temperatures are cool enough for the dog to be left in a car. Some customers you are better off without.

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I was told by a restaurant owner that dogs or any animals are not allowed in the kitchens of restaurants.

Now, that I can understand..... with my dog in the kitchen, NO food would leave the kitchen.
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I am very grateful for the outside restaurants that allow dogs - outside. I admit even old dog loving me would rather not share an inside restaurant area with a shedding dog. What did she mean - no other place to put the dog? She doesn't have a house? The temperatures are cool enough for the dog to be left in a car. Some customers you are better off without.

Dogs shed...... human beings just leave dead skin and hair behind.
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As for DF, etc., Rony, they are not in Jalisco and I think this is Jalisco law which prohibits animals in any area where food is prepared, not just the kitchen proper. I agree that pets are not a health threat, but other customers might be, so the logic is difficult to comprehend. However, such laws are common in many countries. Some states require strange things of restaurants, defying logic: No tables outside (flies), No soft butter (must be hard and unspreadable, right out of the refrigerator), Refrigerated salads and fruits, No textured paint, Three compartment sinks, Water hot enough to burn the dishwasher, etc. That said, many folks simply object to animals in a dining room, just as some object to overly loud music. Restauranteurs should accomodate both the legal and the societal mandates in order to attract clientell. They cannot possibly satisfy everyone.

Next topic: Smoking ? Or is that one now accepted as a dead issue, as it should be.

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Rony, you are a good guy, but your defense y/o advocacy for dogs in restaurants/eating establishments as compared to humans that frequent same is pathetic.....IMHO.

Most people don't go out to eat in restaurants to associate or to be in the company of dogs, or any animals as far as that goes, and that includes most animal lovers.

Sure you can find a restaurant that has a dog in Guad., just like you can find a restaurant that allows a smoker or a client using profane language, but that doesn't make it legal, pleasant, or conducive to business.

Maybe the dogs, or other animals, are cleaner, more well behaved than their owners, but it's the perception of what might happen, that counts. What if the dog sneezes, coughs, has to relieve itself, gets sick (from human restaurant food), or whatever; and I'm just talking about well behaved dogs, not the ones where owners put them onto chairs or let them eat from a plate that is used for human consumption.

I love and protect animals but not in public eating establishments.

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News for those who want to dine with their canine: There is a nice outdoor area in front of the la Goumandaise Francais on the Ajijic lakefront (where Yves used to be). Tables, chairs and a suitable place for dogs. Saw some the other day when having breakfast there.

The food is delicious: crepes, sandwiches, omelets, soups, salads and a new menu with dinner type offerings.

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My little Virginia looks sad.

She doesn't mind having a human being in the restaurant,..... if they washed their hands after going to the loo and then sit on her table (well, not ON the table). She simply wants to be with her papa as much as she can. That's love, people.

And I just hope that,.... if there is a heaven and a God, that he (ok, I will use the capital letter : He) will be less restrictive in dog entries, more open minded and put things in better perspective.... if, if.

Quien sabe ?

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My little Virginia looks sad.She doesn't mind having a human being in the restaurant,..... if they washed their hands after going to the loo and then sit on her table (well, not ON the table).

Does little Virginia wash her paws after going to the loo?

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I simply think this is up to the owner of the restaurant, IF said owner wishes to make an exception to the restaurant laws. I do not think, I KNOW this is something that a pet owner should NOT demand. I believe one should POLITELY ask if one could sit on the periphery of the restaurant with one's well-behaved dog. (And better yet, leave the dog at home!) It is totally up to the restaurant owner to decide. And the restaurant owner (or manager) needs to consider what will be acceptable to other guests. This lady has a chip on her shoulder and is inconsiderate of others and quick to malign others. Well, there are a number of distrait mentally ill people wandering around here; it is disconcerting to interact with them. Me, I am not in business, so I do not have to put up with such people. I just have to try to make up for them by being very nice to everyone! It is, sadly, a bit of an effort as there are so many rude people running around here.

Well, y'all have taken me back in time to the ONE time I have ever taken a dog to a restaurant. This happened quite accidentally when my spouse and I were trekking downriver to Bodiam Castle in England with a black lab who managed to jump 3 stiles on the way, and joined us on the periphery of an outdoor cafe, where we all collapsed and ate before venturing back. Whereupon she jumped on the sofa with me for a snooze.

Okay, so I think that people who consider that their dogs have equal opps with humans need counseling. Restaurant? Store? Gym? Water exercise group? Please ask first. BTW our water exercise group is still looking for new members, but I do not think dogs are allowed. The owners have 3, but the dogs do not go in the pool. Nor do they want to.

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Please remember in a retirement community, a % of the people are senile, ill, unbalanced in many different ways. Let's not be so quick to judge, leave some room for sympathy as we applauded the rude person being escorted out.

Anybody who knows how to use the F word in proper context is NOT senile, just a jerk!

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I would like to thank every one for your support and kind words, definetly, kind and educated people is a huge mayorie compared to those that believe that those who think differently deserves no respect, your kind words are like gasoline to our engine, thank you very much.

Oscar Perez Nafarrate.

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