ChrisB Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Getting the dog away from him will be the issue. He isn't a kid he is a small time thug! Lucky dog will takke him if we can't find the owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 The problem is possession is 9/10th of the law. We have no owner coming forward saying it is their dog. He has the dog and if we try to bring in the police he will just say it is his! We have no proof otherwise!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbviajero Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 If Luis is a drug addict and has the gall to steal a dog and put it up for sale,Did Luis steal this dog or did he find it,there is a difference.Why should he accept 50 or a hundred pesos for the dog from someone who isn't its rightful owner? There is the possibility that this alleged "thug,drug addict,dognapper,dog thief", Luis saved this dog from a worse fate than might have happened to it wandering around loose on the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 yes it is a possibility, he saw the dog and saw an opportunity who knows.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexy Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 yes it is a possibility, he saw the dog and saw an opportunity who knows.. I deleted my response. Lexy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexy Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Did Luis steal this dog or did he find it,there is a difference.Why should he accept 50 or a hundred pesos for the dog from someone who isn't its rightful owner? There is the possibility that this alleged "thug,drug addict,dognapper,dog thief", Luis saved this dog from a worse fate than might have happened to it wandering around loose on the streets. Gee, are you following what people have to say who know this Luis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbviajero Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Gee, are you following what people have to say who know this Luis.You didn't answer the question;Did he find it or did he steal it?There's a huge difference. Miniature Schnauzers are selling for an average of 2500 pesos on Mercado Libre.com.mex Unless the rightful owner shows up ,legally it's his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajijicsolomon Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Sounds like Luis has an agenda. He can't work just because he's got this dog? Seems to me it would be worth our peace of mind just to give him 50 pesos and walk away with the dog. This is an awful situation. I'd gladly give the 50 pesos to the person who can go get the dog. Poor dog is in a bad situation and isn't being properly cared for. Lexy Yes I think I know who Luis is, and this it totally believable,the fact that he is trying to extort the dog, also if what he does is wash cars why does having the dog keep him from working? The Luis I am thinking of is a total con. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajijicsolomon Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 The problem is possession is 9/10th of the law. We have no owner coming forward saying it is their dog. He has the dog and if we try to bring in the police he will just say it is his! We have no proof otherwise!! If the dog is microchipped we do have proof. Can't we call his bluff and get a Vet like Antonio, Hector, or memo ,don't know him, But Hector has made housecalls to care for our pets. We would just need to pay for his time. I for one am more than happy to donate. Just the presence of a vet might do the trick. Hector could say someone had inquired at Ladrons about their missing dog etc etc...or whatever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexy Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 The problem is possession is 9/10th of the law. We have no owner coming forward saying it is their dog. He has the dog and if we try to bring in the police he will just say it is his! We have no proof otherwise!! 9/10 possession isn't an actual law here or anywhere is it? I do see the concern here for the safety of anyone trying to get this dog away from Luis, which I've expressed several times. That is why I suggested a police escort or presence--do you think you'll really need proof for a policeman that the dog doesn't belong to Luis, considering that Luis is a known local thug, as you say, and just happens to be trying to sell his dear pet? Would it not be just a little bit obvious you are people trying to rescue an animal that is quite obviously not Luis's? We all wish you well....and hope for a happy outcome. Lexy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexy Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 You didn't answer the question;Did he find it or did he steal it?There's a huge difference. Miniature Schnauzers are selling for an average of 2500 pesos on Mercado Libre.com.mex Unless the rightful owner shows up ,legally it's his. I don't believe we have the answer to the question did he find it or steal it. All we know is that a person named Luis has not money to feed this dog. It is a well-groomed dog. He is trying to sell it. If he found it or stole it, some of us are saying it isn't his to sell. Not logical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbviajero Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I don't believe we have the answer to the question did he find it or steal it.Then maybe,just maybe, you all shouldn't be accusing him of stealing it.Is that logical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Unless it is your dog, it is none of your business. If an owner posts a lost dog notice, then he might be directed to Luis, as it would be his business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajijicsolomon Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I don't believe we have the answer to the question did he find it or steal it. All we know is that a person named Luis has not money to feed this dog. It is a well-groomed dog. He is trying to sell it. If he found it or stole it, some of us are saying it isn't his to sell. Not logical? Yes I agree Lexie in fact I was just saying the fact that the dog is high priced and well groomed is probably all the proof needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajijicsolomon Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Unless it is your dog, it is none of your business. If an owner posts a lost dog notice, then he might be directed to Luis, as it would be his business. That is very insensitive. If an animal or human is in danger, isn't it the humane thing to do whatever one can. Just to say "its not your business" seems very harsh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraderBob Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 The report I have is that the dog is reunited with it's owner. Traderbob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 That is very insensitive. If an animal or human is in danger, isn't it the humane thing to do whatever one can. Just to say "its not your business" seems very harsh! Sorry, but I saw no evidence that the dog was in imminent peril. If it had been, I am sure you would have called the police immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 No the fact that the dog is well groomed and is a pure bred dog does not prove anything not in this country. You assume he is not his but you cannot prove it. Ajijic Solomon dogs are property and unless he hurts the dog you have nothing to say, When I first arrived in Ajijic some creepy kids were beating up their dog, my Spanish teacher told them off, the next day the dog was dead. hanging on a rope..You have to be careful how you handle things. Lexie, the kid is not stupid and he knows that gringos are good for a lot more money than 100 pesos and he probably has a overblown idea of the price of the dog, he wants more, simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbviajero Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 The report I have is that the dog is reunited with it's owner. Traderbob That's good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyfull Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 When I saw Luis with the dog both last Sunday at the Ajijic malecon and Monday at the plaza. I took him to see Jose Melendrez at Addictions to translate. He said he found the dog on Friday running down by the lake. This may all be a ute point as Trader Bob posted at 318pm that he has been reunited with his owner. Can anyone verify this? I would certainly be willing to chip in for a "reward" to get this dog into a good home or Lucky Dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexy Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Unless it is your dog, it is none of your business. If an owner posts a lost dog notice, then he might be directed to Luis, as it would be his business. Wha? Lexy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexy Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 The report I have is that the dog is reunited with it's owner. Traderbob Thanks, TraderBob/Lucky Dog/ Bob McKeown. That's encouraging, Bob. Hope the report was from a reliable source. I'm sure someone who knows will let us in on the details. This little dog got himself into a tough spot and such of show of concern from so many of us I believe helped him get back to where he belongs. Lexy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajijicsolomon Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 No the fact that the dog is well groomed and is a pure bred dog does not prove anything not in this country. You assume he is not his but you cannot prove it. Ajijic Solomon dogs are property and unless he hurts the dog you have nothing to say, When I first arrived in Ajijic some creepy kids were beating up their dog, my Spanish teacher told them off, the next day the dog was dead. hanging on a rope..You have to be careful how you handle things. Lexie, the kid is not stupid and he knows that gringos are good for a lot more money than 100 pesos and he probably has a overblown idea of the price of the dog, he wants more, simple. Yes bmh. I have lived at lakeside 10 years in November and have seen all sorts of treatment of animals...locals and gringos, good and bad. I felt I knew the person that had the dog and it seemed highly unlikely that it was his dog. After reading all the posts I was concerned and trying to be supportive to the people that were trying to be proactive and do something positive in what was perceived a difficult situation. I also felt the pup very well might be microchipped since he was worth a lot and thought that a great way to solve the "mystery" of his ownership. Thanks for the info I will take it in the spirit I hope it was intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I have 5 rescues and would hate to lose one so I am happy he owner found his or her little dog. Good end to this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 A friend here had a standard poodle that was a Houdini. I don't remember how many times he paid the extortion money to get him back. I agree that the best thing to do is microchip your dog. If we get a purebred at Lucky Dog we have the vets check for a chip and if there is none we still hold the dog for a week waiting to see if an owner shows up before we put it up for adoption. With the chip you have proof it is yours and if you need the police to get it back once you have the dog it is up to you if you want to give the person any money or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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