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Talk about rose colored glasses - Mexico had a violent revolution, blood running in the streets, Zapata crucifying rich Mexican landlords on telegraph poles, seizure of vast privately held lands, - all less than 100 years ago. In Chapala, innocent young people violently slaughtered and mutilated less than two years ago just so the cartel could prove their insanity. In the height of organized crime in the U.S.A., the most violent crime was the "St. Valentine's Massacre" - crooks killing crooks.

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hookem, its only an opinion. snowyo's post is partly correct, most of it doesnt apply. for example, past US wars/ invasions are not the issue. also there is much violence in mexico regardless of what is reported, but the reasons are different. lets stay on topic. as for the US & europe, he is correct it has escalated. both places are multicultural societies, which have their own problems. (like boston). as for the middle east/s.e.asia thats a given. he has a right to his opinion, & even hating (which he is not) is allowed. it is just as dangerous in mexico as it is in europe/us depending upon where you go.

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chillin, you are right. still the post was about traveling to europe/us/ mid east etc. they also print announcements about mexico as well. its not a contest.

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Snowyco you just forgot the 2 atom bombs on Japan or the firebombing of Dresden and a few others...What other nation used atom bombs on civilians?

Meanwhile Europeans are not nice guys either , just start going back over the history of the European countries and you will see that they are not saints either, Go over the history of any colonial power, the Brits are not the only.bad guys

The indigenous in Mexico were not choir boys and the Spaniards were awfull as well.

Net net the earth would be better without humans no point blaming one country or another.

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The American government has bankrupted itself to over 100% debt, with its violence-based military policies, while Mexico is content to work on her own problems.

Mexicans simply are less violent.

Mexicans less violent???you've got to be kidding,everyday I drive by the spot where 19 dismembered bodies of innocent victims were found in Guadalajara a couple of years ago and that type of monstrosity occurs on a regular basis.

As far as the Mexican government being content to work on her problems, you might want to ask an average Mexican what he thinks about that statement.

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Mexicans less violent? Check out the wife and kid beating statistics ot check out the news it is all about violence and sex...the front has some gory accident or murder and the back some haf naked chicks. Wars are expensive so the people just beat each other up and do a good job at eliminating a lsegment of the population but they are polite, that you have to give it to them!

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Fortunately, the vast majority of risks for Americans being assaulted or killed in Mexico are small (small numbers of Americans harmed and killed each year in Mexico) and risks are almost universally relegated to the supplying of drugs to the USA, or to illegal aliens transiting Mexico secretly to find work in the USA.

In the USA, the student-on-student violence in schools is shocking - where strangers kill strangers. Do we hear of Virgina Tech-like massacres in Mexico, or Columbine-massacres in Mexico, or Newtown massacres, or Aurora theater massacres in Mexico?

It's important to recognize and remember past US history, because it demonstrates that the US is a risky place due to a culture that has a 230 year history of solving its problems using violence. The violence inside Mexican homes & families is not a risk to US or Canadians living here. The violence in USA's streets, theaters, and schools represents a very real risk to people visiting and living part-time in the USA.

When was there a recent street bombing in Mexico, directed at random visitors, killing 3 and injuring 246 like in Boston?

In the USA, the last 50 years of consistent muggings and rapes and murders in American cities are yet more troubling evidence of frequent stranger-on-stranger violence that threatens visitors and people living in the USA part time - like snowbirds who shuttle between Mexico and the USA.

Fortunately, if we are not in the business of supplying illegal drugs to the USA, or trying to sneak illegally through Mexico as poor illegal aliens headed to the USA, then we foreigners are relatively much more safe from personal violence here in Mexico than when in the USA.

This is not scolding. It is a simple recognition of where our real risks lie.

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When was there a recent street bombing in Mexico, directed at random visitors, killing 3 and injuring 246 like in Boston?

In Morelia a few years ago at the 16 de Septiembre celebration?

There was also a recent grenade and assault rifle attack at a neighborhood bar near my home in Guadalajara,one of the seven killed was a gringo who just happened to be there watching the Chivas/America classico,I used to like that bar,they had great botanas and friendly service.

When was the last time 72 immigrants were found slaughtered in one location in the US, like in Tamaulipas?

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Our real travel risks: Disney World, Orlando has 7.5 murders per 100,000 residents per FBI reports. Cancun had 1.83 and Puerto Vallarta had 5.9 rates per a Stanford University report.

FBI further reported that murder rates of 4.8 Americans per 100,000, while murder rates for US citizens in Mexico has ranged from 88 - 120 per year for 5.8 millions Americans per year in Mexico: Mexican murder rates of Americans in Mexico range from 1.54 to 2.1 since 2010.

4.8 murders per 100,000 in the USA is clearly larger than 1.5-2.1 murders of Americans in Mexico, as tracked by official US agencies (no issues with statistical counting or tracking). The last 5 years of data show we foreigners are at higher risk of violence when visiting the USA than when in Mexico.

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the original post did not mention mexico. the focus was on terrorists (jihad) attacks in europe/us/s.e. asia/mideast. why cant we keep the focus? btw, 85% of crimes in mex are not reported. stats for mexico are useless. personal disputes can get violent & often do. but we are not involved in these things. viajero is correct. snowyo speaks of school shootings but yet doesnt know about guad university incidents. he lives in another area. anyway, subways are not a great mode for city travel, i agree w/the post. its a different world than it was years ago, you have to adjust your way of life. even when i go home, its another adjustment, more restrictions. more transport changes. whats the big deal?

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In Morelia a few years ago at the 16 de Septiembre celebration?

There was also a recent grenade and assault rifle attack at a neighborhood bar near my home in Guadalajara,one of the seven killed was a gringo who just happened to be there watching the Chivas/America classico,I used to like that bar,they had great botanas and friendly service.

When was the last time 72 immigrants were found slaughtered in one location in the US, like in Tamaulipas?

The 72 killed were illegal aliens, breaking the law, sneaking through Mexico trying to get to the USA, as criminals.

Fortunately, neither you nor I are illegal aliens. Neither of us are criminals. Neither of us are trying to traverse Mexico illegally, nor do either of us pay coyotes to smuggle us across Mexico.

Again, it is worth noting that for tourists and people doing the same activities, like Orlando Disney World vs. Cancun, the risks of violence and death to legal foreigners in popular places, the USA clearly has years of 3X higher rates of murders of foreigners.

Do we really compare tourists in Cancun with extremely poor illegal aliens transiting Mexico illegally, paying bribes to avoid detection?

Unfortunately, illegal aliens are criminals, who take many risks that people like cbviajero and I do not face.

Risks while traveling and living abroad? I experienced such risks when living and working in Ukraine in 1993, 18 years in Washington DC, in New Orleans, and in parts of Chicago. I have never experienced anything close to those risks in 28 years of coming to Mexico and living in Mexico.

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crimes were never reported in mexico above the 15% mark. the only differerence is that now the media doesnt even report the drug wars. as for stats, they are also useless for the USA. most of the murders are in places like detroit, worst parts of philly & LA. personal, drug & gang related. U.S. has jihad attacks, mex has drug wars. the personal disputes go on in both countries, which result in violence. its a wash. cross detroit off your vacation list.

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snowyo just said it (post #44): chicago, ukraine, new orleans. which is as dangerous as it has been in chapala, & other parts of mexico. we are not talking about fancy resorts here. i rest my case.

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crimes were never reported in mexico above the 15% mark. the only differerence is that now the media doesnt even report the drug wars. as for stats, they are also useless for the USA. most of the murders are in places like detroit, worst parts of philly & LA. personal, drug & gang related. U.S. has jihad attacks, mex has drug wars. the personal disputes go on in both countries, which result in violence. its a wash. cross detroit off your vacation list.

True. There are bad areas and risky areas in both countries, and crimes are under-reported in Mexico.

But the official figures for Cancun vs Disney World are US counted and US reported.. The 3X higher rates of murder in US vacation spots vs. popular Mexican vacation spots are based on legitimate counts, with no reliance on Mexican under-reporting of crime stats.

Again, the last 5 years of reality show that for similar activities by similar foreigners, the US is more dangerous than Mexico, and that the State Department warning also applies to Americans traveling in America.

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the post was about U.S. CITIES. in any event, cancun is upscale- disney world is downwardly mobile in comparism. as i say, it depends where you go in either country. (acapulco is bad news, as that has changed drastically since 50yrs ago).

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The 72 killed were illegal aliens, breaking the law, sneaking through Mexico trying to get to the USA, as criminals.

Wow - that attitude right there speaks volumes about your own ethics. These are human beings, and they have rights. They are not to be treated like human garbage - raped, robbed and murdered. They are passing through Mexico as quickly as possible.

Government of Mexico is trying everything it can to change this injustice. Mexico has learned from the world that the mistreatment of people based on race, religion, or country of origin, can often come back to haunt you with underground terrorist groups and civilian attacks.

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The 72 killed were illegal aliens, breaking the law, sneaking through Mexico trying to get to the USA, as criminals.

Has anything like that happened in the US?

Are you still sticking to your fairy tale about how Mexicans are less violent than Americans?

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blah, blah, blah...................REALLY, WHO LISTENS TO THIS STUFF???.

We are not Americans, we are Canadians and our government has issued no such scary warnings...............hum...............maybe because as "summer holiday season approaches - the USA wants all USA citizens to remain " in the homeland and spend their bucks at home. Think??

Just sayin............a lot of BS

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