cedros Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Sunshine Girl said that Americans born in the US can be deported. Maybe possible. Canada is in the process of deporting someone born there. The father was a foreign diplomat so the son can be deported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Some people cannot be naturalized without losing their citizenship. it depends on their mother country not on the country that is naturalizing them: ie. Ivory coast citizens so if they are to be deported they become people without a country, pretty tough situation to be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joco Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 The price you pay for "greener pastures". Don't see too many US citizens renouncing their citizenship, even when they claim that Mexico is their country now . The U.S. allows U.S./Mexican dual citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joco Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Are you not aware that naturalized Americans can also be deported, in fact even Americans born in the USA can be deported if found to be engaged in activities contrary to "American interest"??? A person born within the sovereignty of the U.S. is a U.S. citizen, except if he is born to diplomats of a foreign country, and cannot be deported from the U.S. no matter what the crime. It is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 If Mexico doesn't require that you renounce your U.S.citizenship in order to become a Mexican citizen and vice versa is also true, WHO are you lying to? Just for the grins, consider that most politicians, everywhere, serve at least two masters, don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Liana Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 United States Department of State information re dual citizenship: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 United States Department of State information re dual citizenship: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html I will admit, after reading that reference, that I am totally confused and otherwise gobsmacked. As in HUH??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joco Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Maybe ignores others is the better term. You missed the point. Hard to serve 2 masters. You must lie to one, or both. How is a dual citizen serving two masters? When in the U.S. the person is a U.S. citizen and cannot use the resources of the Mexican Consulate. In Mexico the person is a Mexican citizen as soon as he crosses the border and cannot use a U.S. Consulate. The U.S., and I assume Mexico also, only allow dual citizenships with friendly countries. I do assume if a war breaks out between the two countries that the dual citizen could be conscripted into service in the country he is in at the time. Otherwise I don't know how anyone is serving two masters between the U.S. and Mexico. The tax laws are the same for expats as they are for dual citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 The dual citizenship comes in when there is a draft or a war then you usually have to chose a master if you are of an age to serve the country.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigd Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Where would Americans be deported to??? Mexico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 How is a dual citizen serving two masters? When in the U.S. the person is a U.S. citizen and cannot use the resources of the Mexican Consulate. In Mexico the person is a Mexican citizen as soon as he crosses the border and cannot use a U.S. Consulate. The U.S., and I assume Mexico also, only allow dual citizenships with friendly countries. I do assume if a war breaks out between the two countries that the dual citizen could be conscripted into service in the country he is in at the time. Otherwise I don't know how anyone is serving two masters between the U.S. and Mexico. The tax laws are the same for expats as they are for dual citizens. The big story a couple of months ago about the school teacher, Mexican National, US naturalized citizen. arrested in Sonora for drugs under her bus seat was treated like a US citizen and assisted by the US consular general and Arizona state senate to help release her. So much for that theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 The dual citizenship comes in when there is a draft or a war then you usually have to chose a master if you are of an age to serve the country.. The draft hasn´t happened since 1973 and I doubt it will ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joco Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 The big story a couple of months ago about the school teacher, Mexican National, US naturalized citizen. arrested in Sonora for drugs under her bus seat was treated like a US citizen and assisted by the US consular general and Arizona state senate to help release her. So much for that theory. I read that and I don't understand it if it is true except that maybe all the publicity about her being an American citizen caused the consulate to jump in and assist which was easier than trying to explain why it wasn't supposed to be involved with a dual citizenship to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joco Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 The draft hasn´t happened since 1973 and I doubt it will ever again. Not really. I knew a Dallas police office who told me he didn't qualify for the GI Bill after WWII because when the war broke out, he was visiting relatives in Germany and was drafted into the German Army. He was placed in an office position but since he fought on the wrong side he had to pay his own college tuition. He wasn't a German citizen but that didn't make any difference. The U.S. has drafted foreigners, non U.S. citizens, to fight in many wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I read that and I don't understand it if it is true except that maybe all the publicity about her being an American citizen caused the consulate to jump in and assist which was easier than trying to explain why it wasn't supposed to be involved with a dual citizenship to the public. OR it could be when drugs and Mexico are mentioned in the same sentence all else goes to the wayside and the US steps in to play the hero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bowie Posted July 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Ok, thanks for the help on the OP. I guess we are ready to close shop, as no one else is contributing to the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 I read that and I don't understand it if it is true except that maybe all the publicity about her being an American citizen caused the consulate to jump in and assist which was easier than trying to explain why it wasn't supposed to be involved with a dual citizenship to the public. Another possibility is there is no law/rule stating the US Consulate General cannot be involved in foreign affairs in other counties when it is a naturalized citizen. This might be a rumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hud Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Another possibility is there is no law/rule stating the US Consulate General cannot be involved in foreign affairs in other counties when it is a naturalized citizen. This might be a rumor. For what it's worth, I know of at least 6 Naturalized American Citizens(born in Mexico) that enter Mexico every time as US Citizens, when they come to Chapala. So, Mexico would have no way of knowing they were also Mexican. Some speak very poor Spanish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 It may also be because they never bought a Mexican Passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FHBOY Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Back to the original question - Can RP's work for compensation? Under an older law, it was forbidden for retirees down here to work. Can some definitively give an answer? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Back to the original question - Can RP's work for compensation? Under an older law, it was forbidden for retirees down here to work. Can some definitively give an answer? Thanks. Yes. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:G5yqN1jKLMIJ:www.inm.gob.mx/static/Tramites_LM/Estancia_LM/Matriz_de_Equiparacion_V2.xlsx+Equiparacion+de+calidades+y+caracteristicas&cd=1&hl=es-419&ct=clnk&gl=mx Click on: "Abra este contenido en una nueva ventana" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Under the old law, retirees could work if they applied for, and were granted that right on their visas, FM2 or FM3, as Lucrativa status. Many have worked in lucrativa status for many years. Now, if you have Residente Permanente status, you may work. This solves the grey area of volunteers, who work without pay, being in technical violation. INM once admonished me for teaching and I quickly quit that position. All lead volunteers were required to be in Lucrativa status, as were any who handled money, etc. It got complicated under the old rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Max Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Sunshine Girl said that Americans born in the US can be deported. Just because someone says/posts something does NOT make it true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Just because someone says/posts something does NOT make it true We all knew that. That is why the jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Under the old law, retirees could work if they applied for, and were granted that right on their visas, FM2 or FM3, as Lucrativa status. Many have worked in lucrativa status for many years. Now, if you have Residente Permanente status, you may work. This solves the grey area of volunteers, who work without pay, being in technical violation. INM once admonished me for teaching and I quickly quit that position. All lead volunteers were required to be in Lucrativa status, as were any who handled money, etc. It got complicated under the old rules. Are you saying that volunteers who have obtained Permanente status can then volunteer with no problem? Is there any reporting required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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