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My comments on easier were for temporal or those who would have fallen under or qualified for FM3s before where now they could not qualify or do not qualify and will be harder for permanente.

Spencer do they not have to make announcements of changes 6 months or a specified period before they can implemented?

I agree changes are very likely.

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Spencer the following change I believe is tied in with your thoughts PR visa rules to change.

As of today, in SMA, IF you have a 3 or 4 on the back of your visa, it can expire by up to 6 months without having to go Permanent and no penalty or fine. This I believe will delay and if new changes are coming allow those who do not want to go Permanent to do so.

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Now that we have our permanente visas, when we leave Mexico do we still have to fill out the paper form, save half of it upon reententering Mexico?

For flying out you still fill out the tourist form, but do it in reverse: go to the window, fill out the smaller stub, get it and the passport stamped, and turn that in at the airlines desk. Save the larger part and fill only that out when returning to enter on your PR card. Since they don't check when walking or driving out and back at the border, I'm assuming you don't have to do any paperwork there. Driving out/flying back in you'd have to fill out the larger half again at the airport. If you're driving a car out and flying back while in process waiting for your card and using the salida/entrada letter, you do have to get it stamped out at the border which means crossing over to the other side of the highway to the INM office after you've had your TIP removed as the completed letter with both exit and re-entry stamps has to be turned into INM within 10 days after your return to Mexico. I've done this once and will do the car removal in June with a second exit letter and the "safe passage" letter to hopefully fend off any officials in the states before Sonora who have their own ideas of what my expired TIP and US plates mean.

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FMM

"Article 14. The immigration officials in places open to the international movement of people, prior
compliance with applicable requirements, shall issue under the circumstances and conditions that are brought to his address.


Then the following immigration documents: ETC. ....."

"Foreigners who are documented as provided FMM Article
14 of these Guidelines, shall be required to preserve and protect the FMM, since
credited their regular immigration status in the national territory to be identified
additionally show your passport or identity and travel document that is valid according to
international law.

Requirements:
1. Passport or valid identification and travel that is valid under the law
International.
2. Residence card or visitor, or return exit permit, valid.
3. FMM duly completed for statistical purposes.
4. In your case, the immigration authorities provide the information you require.

Important User Information:
- The FMM should be filled only for statistical purposes.
- The non-ordinary passport holders who enter the national territory must be submitted
review the filter with your passport and immigration, in case of need, not ordinary visa.

For flying out you still fill out the tourist form, but do it in reverse: go to the window, fill out the smaller stub, get it and the passport stamped, and turn that in at the airlines desk. Save the larger part and fill only that out when returning to enter on your PR card. Since they don't check when walking or driving out and back at the border, I'm assuming you don't have to do any paperwork there. Driving out/flying back in you'd have to fill out the larger half again at the airport. If you're driving a car out and flying back while in process waiting for your card and using the salida/entrada letter, you do have to get it stamped out at the border which means crossing over to the other side of the highway to the INM office after you've had your TIP removed as the completed letter with both exit and re-entry stamps has to be turned into INM within 10 days after your return to Mexico. I've done this once and will do the car removal in June with a second exit letter and the "safe passage" letter to hopefully fend off any officials in the states before Sonora who have their own ideas of what my expired TIP and US plates mean.

It appears this is for statistical purposes and RT and RP visa holders are required to have the FMM filled out when leaving and re-entering Mexico.

http://www.inm.gob.mx/static/marco_juridico/pdf/acuerdos/2012/Lineamientos_tramites_procedimientos_migratorios.pdf

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For flying out you still fill out the tourist form, but do it in reverse: go to the window, fill out the smaller stub, get it and the passport stamped, and turn that in at the airlines desk. Save the larger part and fill only that out when returning to enter on your PR card. Since they don't check when walking or driving out and back at the border, I'm assuming you don't have to do any paperwork there. Driving out/flying back in you'd have to fill out the larger half again at the airport. If you're driving a car out and flying back while in process waiting for your card and using the salida/entrada letter, you do have to get it stamped out at the border which means crossing over to the other side of the highway to the INM office after you've had your TIP removed as the completed letter with both exit and re-entry stamps has to be turned into INM within 10 days after your return to Mexico. I've done this once and will do the car removal in June with a second exit letter and the "safe passage" letter to hopefully fend off any officials in the states before Sonora who have their own ideas of what my expired TIP and US plates mean.

Good stuff.

Getting away from the adverts and back to the topic of how Residente Permanente cards work: The Cancun airport INM version of this is to fill out the full FMM card, top and bottom, at the INM desk before flying out. This means that you write in the airline name you intend to use on the RETURN flight, but do not complete the flight number or the return date. INM then stamps both the top and bottom parts of the form. You keep the top (larger) part and use it to fly out of Mexico. When you return, you fill in the return date and return flight number, and hand that previously stamped FMM form to INM when you return to Mexico.

INM also stamps your passport for both leaving Mexico and re-entering, which allows SRE to track how long you have been out of Mexico if you apply for Citizenship later.

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Good stuff.

Getting away from the adverts and back to the topic of how Residente Permanente cards work: The Cancun airport INM version of this is to fill out the full FMM card, top and bottom, at the INM desk before flying out. This means that you write in the airline name you intend to use on the RETURN flight, but do not complete the flight number or the return date. INM then stamps both the top and bottom parts of the form. You keep the top (larger) part and use it to fly out of Mexico. When you return, you fill in the return date and return flight number, and hand that previously stamped FMM form to INM when you return to Mexico.

INM also stamps your passport for both leaving Mexico and re-entering, which allows SRE to track how long you have been out of Mexico if you apply for Citizenship later.

I had my Residente Temporal card the end of January and we took a national flight to Mexicali where my car is parked at my house. We stayed a few days there. We went to the INM office on the border before crossing to drive to San Diego. I showed the INM officer my RT and asked to get a form to fill out. She said we have no form now for you to fill out, just cross and come back as you please, it states right on the back "Valid for exits and returns."

I presume on international flights when arriving the INM officers at Mexican airports know more than INM officers on the border in the frontera zone.

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I had my Residente Temporal card the end of January and we took a national flight to Mexicali where my car is parked at my house. We stayed a few days there. We went to the INM office on the border before crossing to drive to San Diego. I showed the INM officer my RT and asked to get a form to fill out. She said we have no form now for you to fill out, just cross and come back as you please, it states right on the back "Valid for exits and returns."

I presume on international flights when arriving the INM officers at Mexican airports know more than INM officers on the border in the frontera zone.

I raised the same issues with the INM agent at Cancun airport.

He just grinned, and said "This is how we do it now." He then hand-wrote " RESIDENTE PERMANENTE " boldly across the top of the FMM forms... The INM agent for our return to Cancun did not flinch when processing our 1/2 of an FMM form with the ad hoc handwritten additions.

That tended to make me think that this is the INM Cancun airport's work-around for not having forms designed for Residente Permanetes leaving Mexico, but your sharp ID of the "Valid for exits and returns." clause makes sense now.

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I raised the same issues with the INM agent at Cancun airport.

He just grinned, and said "This is how we do it now." He then hand-wrote " RESIDENTE PERMANENTE " boldly across the top of the FMM forms... The INM agent for our return to Cancun did not flinch when processing our 1/2 of an FMM form with the ad hoc handwritten additions.

This tends to make me think that this is the INM Cancun airport's work-around for not having forms designed for Residente Permanetes leaving Mexico.

Yes and Cancum has 10s of thousands of FMM to deal with every year at the airport.

At the border crossing in Mexicali I doubt they do anything but give out a few FMMs to tourists weekly travelling south by car.

At the Mexicali airport is where most people get a FMM because of the cheap flights south, and mostly Mexican American born US citizens, young, with their parents going south.

I am the odd ball American there almost every time I fly south. One time there was an older American who showed up 15 minute before the flight was to leave. He went through to get to the waiting room. The plane was full going to Mexico City and was on the runway with the stairs taken away. He caused such a big stink in the waiting room we all had a show that went on until the plane was out of sight. Boy, was he angry in English. The little girl next to me asked who he was mad at. I said himself for showing up 15 minutes before the plane was to depart. The plane actually left 15 minutes early. Not uncommon at this rinky dink airport.

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A question, especially for Spenser. We have read over and over that we will have to document our income, even though we have been FM2 holders for 4 years, unless we wait until our normal renewal dates. These are one month before expiration which would be Sept. 1 for me and Oct. 1 for my wife. You are urging us to go Permanente ASAP, but will that still force us to jump through the income-verification hoops? Thanks for your help.

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Why is that geeser? The topic here is RP and that is what is being discussed.

Spencer is suggesting that those who can go permanente do because he believes that it may get a lot more difficult soon. He has explained his reasoning on this a number of times here.

I can see his point. However, for a different reason, I went the early application route and after 2.5 months, have nothing to show for it. In your shoes, I'd be inclined to wait until you can make the normal, no proof of income, application. These seem to be going better.

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