Ajijic Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/08/acapulco-update.html Mexico loosing control of Monterrey and Acapulco in my opinion spells the beginning of years of terrorism. I am not confident one can turn back the clock. Corruption throughout Mexico including the military, police and the political elite is endemic. Even the mayor of San Miguel, a woman of modest means prior to her election has a new million dollar plus home and new cars. So, if this corruption was fully exposed, which full blown intervention from the US would inevitably do, would simply collapse the Mexican government and send the country into chaos. PS agree totally with posts below re: US corruption. For starters follow Rick Perry's money trail ... yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth63 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 ..."corruption would be exposed with full blown intervention from the US...."....I have little faith that the US, which is also rife with corruption on so many levels, would be able or willing to expose anything that's going on SOB. But that's just by 5 pesos worth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobnliz Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Full blown intervention from the US?!!? Remember? This all blew up in our faces because we didn't mind our own business in the first place... L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 ..."corruption would be exposed with full blown intervention from the US...."....I have little faith that the US, which is also rife with corruption on so many levels, would be able or willing to expose anything that's going on SOB. But that's just by 5 pesos worth... [ The U S.is just as corrupt. Not to the core like Mexico but from the top. Why arent the arm sales to criminals stopped?. Lobbies and what are lobbies but organized and legal corruption? Why cann´t the US stop or slow down their consumption? What make you think the US is capable of doing anything? They cannot control a few renecks from Afghanistan and you think they are going to control the cartels in Mexico? The Us should take care of their own and straighten out their own affairs before getting in other people business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/08/acapulco-update.html Mexico loosing control of Monterrey and Acapulco in my opinion spells the beginning of years of terrorism. I am not confident one can turn back the clock. Corruption throughout Mexico including the military, police and the political elite is endemic. Even the mayor of San Miguel, a woman of modest means prior to her election has a new million dollar plus home and new cars. So, if this corruption was fully exposed, which full blown intervention from the US would inevitably do, would simply collapse the Mexican government and send the country into chaos. PS agree totally with posts below re: US corruption. For starters follow Rick Perry's money trail ... yikes. Good Grief...........do you ever post anything other than this kind of Stuff. We all know Mexico has it's problems, but I am getting tired of seeing all your negative posts - seems daily. Once in a while it might be nice to see something from you posted about just a couple of the wonderful things in this beautiful country! Arghhh............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Good Grief...........do you ever post anything other than this kind of Stuff. We all know Mexico has it's problems, but I am getting tired of seeing all your negative posts - seems daily. Once in a while it might be nice to see something from you posted about just a couple of the wonderful things in this beautiful country! Arghhh............. There is one way so that it doesn't bother you, don't read it. The rest of us are interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajijic Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Not out to offend anyone but geesh Whitey you must be having a bad day as looking down the whole page of posts initiated under Mexico section this is the first one I initiated with such a sad story. Maybe if you had children in school or a large association with Mexican's you would have more interest in what is happening in Mexico including the good, the bad, the ugly. As with the Monterrey casino horror which I did not initiate, this has huge implications and goes beyond the norm even for Mexico. To me and my Mexican wife this is truly horrible. Not only are teachers and parents being extorted but teachers and children are being kidnapped with one 16 year old reported murdered. Maybe for some their pay is a lot but this is not Canada. The typical pay is about 30 pesos an hour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I like the way the teachers are handling this. Shut the schools down and put the sorry government right on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Not out to offend anyone but geesh Whitey you must be having a bad day as looking down the whole page of posts initiated under Mexico section this is the first one I initiated with such a sad story. Maybe if you had children in school or a large association with Mexican's you would have more interest in what is happening in Mexico including the good, the bad, the ugly. As with the Monterrey casino horror which I did not initiate, this has huge implications and goes beyond the norm even for Mexico. To me and my Mexican wife this is truly horrible. Not only are teachers and parents being extorted but teachers and children are being kidnapped with one 16 year old reported murdered. Maybe for some their pay is a lot but this is not Canada. The typical pay is about 30 pesos an hour! I get it, things are very serious here. All I'm saying is that there are many people who do not live here and by reading all these negative comments all the time makes the folks back home terrified for our safety and reluctant to come visit. We must be careful how much of this horror is discussed on these boards..........there is little any of us can do about any of it and by hashing and rehashing it daily isn't helping. The areas of the worst trouble are a long way away for all of us here. Not to say that can't change in an instant. Borderland Beat isn't a website that I want my family back home looking at.. I'm sure many would agree with that. Let's all keep praying for this beautiful country and it's citizens and hope it gets better, not worse. Didn't mean to soundoff on you Ajijic, just frustrating is all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Max Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I get it, things are very serious here. All I'm saying is that there are many people who do not live here and by reading all these negative comments all the time makes the folks back home terrified for our safety and reluctant to come visit. We must be careful how much of this horror is discussed on these boards..........there is little any of us can do about any of it and by hashing and rehashing it daily isn't helping. The areas of the worst trouble are a long way away for all of us here. Not to say that can't change in an instant. Borderland Beat isn't a website that I want my family back home looking at.. I'm sure many would agree with that. Let's all keep praying for this beautiful country and it's citizens and hope it gets better, not worse. Didn't mean to soundoff on you Ajijic, just frustrating is all! Surely if you don't live here, you would want to be aware of major incidents - and 600 teachers quitting because of threatened extortion, is, in my viewpoint, extraordinary, Many of us do read Borderland Beat - it presents life as it is. Some don't for the same reason you don't. But that doesn't 'mean it didn't happen. This information was also in mainline mexican media - borderland beat was just one of the first to publish it. And surely you aren't suggesting that articles in the local/mexican newspapers not be mentioned on the board because the events are unpleasant? http://impreso.milen...om/node/9016439 And if you are considering moving here, best put things in perspective and be aware of what is happening in this country - and not make decisions based on ignorance. I would guess that most people that live here feel relatively safe and very concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangawizi Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hey Whitey, I can understand your concern about focusing too much on the negative and scaring the NOB relatives - but this stuff upsets us and it's natural to want to talk about it. I know I sure do appreciate hearing other people's views about the situation in general, and I very much want to hear about incidents that affect Lakeside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Surely if you don't live here, you would want to be aware of major incidents - and 600 teachers quitting because of threatened extortion, is, in my viewpoint, extraordinary, Many of us do read Borderland Beat - it presents life as it is. Some don't for the same reason you don't. But that doesn't 'mean it didn't happen. This information was also in mainline mexican media - borderland beat was just one of the first to publish it. And surely you aren't suggesting that articles in the local/mexican newspapers not be mentioned on the board because the events are unpleasant? http://impreso.milen...om/node/9016439 And if you are considering moving here, best put things in perspective and be aware of what is happening in this country - and not make decisions based on ignorance. I would guess that most people that live here feel relatively safe and very concerned. I do live here and I do feel safe. I am concerned with what is going on and I am also wanting to keep myself informed..........and I do. Simpy saying that too much of this type of discussion is not helping anything except terrifying our family and friends back NOB. The news media does a good enough job of that all on it's own............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Max Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I get it, things are very serious here. All I'm saying is that there are many people who do not live here and by reading all these negative comments all the time makes the folks back home terrified for our safety and reluctant to come visit. We must be careful how much of this horror is discussed on these boards..........there is little any of us can do about any of it and by hashing and rehashing it daily isn't helping. The areas of the worst trouble are a long way away for all of us here. Not to say that can't change in an instant. Borderland Beat isn't a website that I want my family back home looking at.. I'm sure many would agree with that. Let's all keep praying for this beautiful country and it's citizens and hope it gets better, not worse. Didn't mean to soundoff on you Ajijic, just frustrating is all! So here is another perspective. Just like the US, Mexico is comprised of different states. So if you live in Michigan, you probably will want to read about what is happening with Irene in Vermont. We live in the state of Jalisco, Acapulo is in the state of Guerrero, and Monterrey is in the state of Nuevo Leon, Jalisco is relatively calm and we are hoping it stays that way - but we are still interested in hearing about and discussing significant events that occur in other states - the same thing applies to the US - people are also interested in significant events in other states. And yes, in Mexico, most of it is bad news. That is the sad part. There isn't much significant good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I like the way the teachers are handling this. Shut the schools down and put the sorry government right on the spot. Ta Da, perfect. I could not agree more. Right at the beginning of the school year, what could be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 So here is another perspective. Just like the US, Mexico is comprised of different states. So if you live in Michigan, you probably will want to read about what is happening with Irene in Vermont. We live in the state of Jalisco, Acapulo is in the state of Guerrero, and Monterrey is in the state of Nuevo Leon, Jalisco is relatively calm and we are hoping it stays that way - but we are still interested in hearing about and discussing significant events that occur in other states - the same thing applies to the US - people are also interested in significant events in other states. And yes, in Mexico, most of it is bad news. That is the sad part. There isn't much significant good news. Actually when was the last time you saw any paper reporting good news? Furthermore, why would we want to know about a whole lot of stuff that may or may not have happened in another state? Ever heard of yellow journalism? Take an event and blow it all out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privado Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I do live here and I do feel safe. I am concerned with what is going on and I am also wanting to keep myself informed..........and I do. Simpy saying that too much of this type of discussion is not helping anything except terrifying our family and friends back NOB. The news media does a good enough job of that all on it's own............ As I recall, you've just moved here from Canada- and prior to your move expressed concern that a family member was not to happy about your move to dangerous Mexico. Unfortunately, those of us who are somewhat connected to real life in Mexico know that there is so much more going on that the majority of Expats in Chapala have no knowledge of and this is a place where people like Ajijic and More Liana can relate facts that may affect our lives- whether you like it or not. Don't want your family to know- close your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Liana Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/08/acapulco-update.html Mexico losing control of Monterrey and Acapulco in my opinion spells the beginning of years of terrorism. Mexico's loss of control started with Ciudad Juárez. Monterrey has followed. Acapulco and Cuernavaca are not far behind. In this article http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/26/the_fog_of_mexicos_drug_war, author Malcom Beith says that "some pundits are saying that if Monterrey falls, then Mexico does too." Malcolm Beith is the author of a book on Mexico’s drug war, entitled “The Last Narco,” published September 2010 by Penguin and Grove/Atlantic in the United States. Malcolm has provided commentary on the drug war for CNN, NPR, the BBC, The New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, The Independent, The Daily Telegraph, AOL News, CTV (Canada), Xinhua, The Sunday Express, and El Universal and Reforma (Mexico). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Max Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Mexico's loss of control started with Ciudad Juárez. Monterrey has followed. Acapulco and Cuernavaca are not far behind. In this article http://www.foreignpo...exicos_drug_war, author Malcom Beith says that "some pundits are saying that if Monterrey falls, then Mexico does too." Malcolm Beith is the author of a book on Mexico’s drug war, entitled “The Last Narco,” published September 2010 by Penguin and Grove/Atlantic in the United States. Malcolm has provided commentary on the drug war for CNN, NPR, the BBC, The New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, The Independent, The Daily Telegraph, AOL News, CTV (Canada), Xinhua, The Sunday Express, and El Universal and Reforma (Mexico). The Last Narco is also available at Amazon for the Kindle (you can also order a real book for about $9.98 shipping to Lakeside - takes about 5 ish weeks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheapo Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Actually when was the last time you saw any paper reporting good news? Furthermore, why would we want to know about a whole lot of stuff that may or may not have happened in another state? Ever heard of yellow journalism? Take an event and blow it all out of proportion. I read the New York Times every day. Look past the front page: there are dozens of stories reporting good stuff, benign stuff, friendly stuff, and intriguing stuff. And that's before you get to arts, entertainment, and sports. Headlines cannot be the only focus for thinking people. And "yellow journalism": used to mean mostly made-up stories and sensationalism. Today, you can safely ascribe that kind of journalism to most of the cable news networks. So it's important to look past the gloss and think for ourselves. Most of us are too busy and/or lazy to do this; if we weren't, we wouldn't have this kind of "journalism" to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karen3678 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Good Grief...........do you ever post anything other than this kind of Stuff. We all know Mexico has it's problems, but I am getting tired of seeing all your negative posts - seems daily. Once in a while it might be nice to see something from you posted about just a couple of the wonderful things in this beautiful country! Arghhh............. I think most want this info , nice to be able to make decisions based on fact and reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moderator-2 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Thread edited to remove political comment and personal sniping. Stay on topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyvet Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 I'm with you. We have 3 kids in school and my wife grew up where we live. Sweeping this stuff under the carpet and pretending it's not happening does not make it go away. It's way past the point of saying it's only narco on narco violence which many people still like to claim. Heaven forbid the death and suffering of innocent people get in the way of someone's social life, imagine people dying and ruining a perfectly good trip to paradise. Not out to offend anyone but geesh Whitey you must be having a bad day as looking down the whole page of posts initiated under Mexico section this is the first one I initiated with such a sad story. Maybe if you had children in school or a large association with Mexican's you would have more interest in what is happening in Mexico including the good, the bad, the ugly. As with the Monterrey casino horror which I did not initiate, this has huge implications and goes beyond the norm even for Mexico. To me and my Mexican wife this is truly horrible. Not only are teachers and parents being extorted but teachers and children are being kidnapped with one 16 year old reported murdered. Maybe for some their pay is a lot but this is not Canada. The typical pay is about 30 pesos an hour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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