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Slaughter in Monterey

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What a sad and horrible situation in what was the best city in Mexico.

Monterrey is controlled by the narcos and Acapulco has also been lost to them.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/08/forget-cliff-diving-acapulco-now-known.html#more

In Acapulco it has been discovered that every level of government including state plus politicians, police and military have been bought off.

Until Mexicans by the hundreds of thousands march in the streets nothing will change. The rot and decline slowly spreads.

In India there are protests against corruption. In England violence is seen protesting social inequality; in Germany luxury car dealership cars torched for same reason then add in protests Spain, Portugal, Greece etc. France is close to erupting and Mexicans have to do the same. Civil unrest is the only way but so far Mexicans are too complacent and powerless. Meanwhile, the biggest consumer of drugs , the US just keeps injecting, inhaling and smoking providing a multi-billion dollar market with its own corruption growing steadily.

On a side note my wife was reading a major Mexican newspaper reporting how the wealth of the narcos is distributed to those capturing and killing narcos. Gold rings 40 pesos, expensive vehicles 10,000 pesos, luxury homes 190,000 pesos etc. That is the price police, military, government officials pay for the spoils.

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With the introduction of a casino to Lakeside, this is what you can expect. The citizens and expats in the area should see that this casino does not get built. It will ruin the community for all.

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With the introduction of a casino to Lakeside, this is what you can expect. The citizens and expats in the area should see that this casino does not get built. It will ruin the community for all.

Two are already opened .A little late to stop them.

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The tragic slaughter in Monterrey may have had nothing to do with it being a casino. It may simply be not paying extortion. Millions of businesses in Mexico are forced to pay extortion starting with vendors at the local markets. I am not for casinos but do not assume this tragedy is associated with the nature of the business.

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The tragic slaughter in Monterrey may have had nothing to do with it being a casino. It may simply be not paying extortion. Millions of businesses in Mexico are forced to pay extortion starting with vendors at the local markets. I am not for casinos but do not assume this tragedy is associated with the nature of the business.

This morning it was announcend in the news on TV that the government of Guadalajara had closed 4 casinos for security reasons.

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The tragic slaughter in Monterrey may have had nothing to do with it being a casino. It may simply be not paying extortion. Millions of businesses in Mexico are forced to pay extortion starting with vendors at the local markets. I am not for casinos but do not assume this tragedy is associated with the nature of the business.

And lots of casinos are owned and run by narcos for money laundering purposes. Probably just a darned good idea to stay out of them.

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And lots of casinos are owned and run by narcos for money laundering purposes. Probably just a darned good idea to stay out of them. And I hope this can keep the new casino that is supposed to be built here from coming to pass.

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The tragic slaughter in Monterrey may have had nothing to do with it being a casino. It may simply be not paying extortion. Millions of businesses in Mexico are forced to pay extortion starting with vendors at the local markets. I am not for casinos but do not assume this tragedy is associated with the nature of the business.

Yikes!! you just broke my 'naive' meter with an overload... You can assume table dance clubs, casinos and bordellos are part of the organized crime business here.

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Yikes!! you just broke my 'naive' meter with an overload... You can assume table dance clubs, casinos and bordellos are part of the organized crime business here.

Many news organizations such as CNN.com are reporting one theory is not paying extortion. I am anything but naive. Geesh 2 years ago accused of trying to drive down real estate with news of crime etc and now someone calls me naive. lmao

I have an excellent insight into Mexico through means many do not have. Narcos are into every aspect of business in Mexico. Why would you limit your words to bordellos, casinos, table top dance clubs?

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Many news organizations such as CNN.com are reporting one theory is not paying extortion. I am anything but naive. Geesh 2 years ago accused of trying to drive down real estate with news of crime etc and now someone calls me naive. lmao

I have an excellent insight into Mexico through means many do not have. Narcos are into every aspect of business in Mexico. Why would you limit your words to bordellos, casinos, table top dance clubs?

I don't expect Billinabus would limit where he sees the influence of narcos in the biz world, but you can bet your bippee that casinos and adult businesses make the best money laundering operations. And there is a direct correlation between the growth of the narcos in Mexico and the number of casinos being opened and operated at the same time.

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I don't expect Billinabus would limit where he sees the influence of narcos in the biz world, but you can bet your bippee that casinos and adult businesses make the best money laundering operations. And there is a direct correlation between the growth of the narcos in Mexico and the number of casinos being opened and operated at the same time.

Right on about the money laundering - http://www.informador.com.mx/primera/2011/317869/6/gobernador-de-nl-pide-abrir-expedientes-de-casinos.htm

The governor Rodrigo Medina de la Cruz demanded that the Interior Ministry to open transparency records that operate casinos in Nuevo Leon, in order to combat impunity and corruption that prevail in these bookmakers. called President Felipe Calderon to allow installation of a workbench in Nuevo Leon to allow the opening of these files. In addition, the Congress of Nuevo León presented a Bill to the Federal Congress to "regulate once and for all operation and permits the casino to bring order to the lack of clarity and transparency lends itself to illegal activities such as money laundering. " Also ask the Treasury to detect through financial intelligence, any start "laundering" of money from these lines of business. After announcing the resignation of Judge of the First Division Regular Court of Administrative Litigation, José Alfonso Navarro Solis, whom he had under his tutelage under suspensions allegedly gave permission to these establishments to operate despite the refusal of the municipal and state authority, the president said Nuevo Leon is necessary to open the records to the public, to "make it clear who is behind and who are really the owners." The Governor of Nuevo Leon agreed with the Mayor Fernando Larrazabal carry out five strategies for combating impunity and corruption that have allowed criminals carry acts of terrorism, as perpetrated on Aug. 25 at Casino Royale in which 52 people died cause an explosion...................

Guadalajara has now closed 4 Casinos - http://www.informador.com.mx/primera/2011/317678/6/clausuran-cuatro-casinos-tapatios.htm

And Casino Royal owns the Crown Casino in Ajijic http://www.informador.com.mx/primera/2011/317513/6/duenos-de-casino-royale-tambien-operan-cinco-negocios-en-jalisco.htm

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The tragic slaughter in Monterrey may have had nothing to do with it being a casino. It may simply be not paying extortion. Millions of businesses in Mexico are forced to pay extortion starting with vendors at the local markets. I am not for casinos but do not assume this tragedy is associated with the nature of the business.

Your right on.

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We all are allowed our opinions... but any of us who have been here in Mexico over a decade or so have to see the correlation of 'adult' businesses and narco money laundering. It takes a literal fortune in cash money to open a casino in Mexico, technically they are illegal according to the constitution, so that just means lots of pay offs. For any of them to make an actual profit would require marketing, promotion and professional people operating them. None of that is happening. Their only possible purpose is to turn illegal cash into legal profits... actual or not.

Now, it could well be said that not paying extortion money to rival cartels is the 'reason' for the terrorist massacre. But that can be said about the killings over drug plaza control too.. the reality is it is cartels squabbling over control of a part of their illegal business. Certainly no one is foolish enough to go into the extortion business in competition with existing cartels.....

Just my opinion, but not seeing those obvious facts qualifies as naive in my book.

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A thoughtful discussion of why this is happening at Foreign Policy:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/26/the_fog_of_mexicos_drug_war

Thanks for sharing and worth reading. 7 more years of narco terrorism predicted in the article. .... probably the minimum. And at the end the article states ...... so goes Monterrey so goes Mexico... somewhat scary.

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Worth reading. I wonder if same people behind these casino licenses are behind the new one scheduled to open in Ajijic? Note the article alludes to possible extortion.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/08/mexican-army-feds-raid-casinos-after.html

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Let 'em allude all they want. Casinos are owned and operated by narcos.

So all this is just a continuation of the ongoing turf wars.

Quick fix, stay out of all businesses operated by the narcs. How hard is that?

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So all this is just a continuation of the ongoing turf wars.

Quick fix, stay out of all businesses operated by the narcs. How hard is that?

Many sources are mentioning the failure to pay timely (as in weekly or monthly) "protection" money to the narcotraficantes as the reason the Casino Royale was hit. A friend of mine wrote this to me less than a half hour ago:

"I was just in Monterrey last week. What they (the cartels) are doing is going into the casinos, asking the owners for the monthly cuota (protection money) and if they don't come up with the money they threaten to come back the next day and shoot up all the patrons or burn the place down. Many times business owners are approached by more than one organized crime group, so you can just imagine the level of fear and intimidation going on...many businesses are "closing up shop" so they look like they've gone out of business and then operating out of a back room or alternate location."

This foregoing is true not only in the casinos, but also in almost any business in Mexico. Two years ago, the manager of a high-end vehicle repair shop in Ocotlán talked with me at length about the level of protection money that his boss had to pay out each week. About a year ago, a friend had to close several branches of a family business in Morelia and Uruapan because he could no longer make the weekly payouts. And about three months ago, another friend in Morelia had to close his business and go underground for several weeks because of threats to himself, his family, and his employees.

So when cracker suggests just staying out of businesses operated by the narcotraficantes, it's a non-viable solution. Whether any given business is actually owned by narcotraficantes or whether the owners aren't narcos but are cooperating with narcos out of fear, it's the same story.

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Many sources are mentioning the failure to pay timely (as in weekly or monthly) "protection" money to the narcotraficantes as the reason the Casino Royale was hit. A friend of mine wrote this to me less than a half hour ago:

"I was just in Monterrey last week. What they (the cartels) are doing is going into the casinos, asking the owners for the monthly cuota (protection money) and if they don't come up with the money they threaten to come back the next day and shoot up all the patrons or burn the place down. Many times business owners are approached by more than one organized crime group, so you can just imagine the level of fear and intimidation going on...many businesses are "closing up shop" so they look like they've gone out of business and then operating out of a back room or alternate location."

This foregoing is true not only in the casinos, but also in almost any business in Mexico. Two years ago, the manager of a high-end vehicle repair shop in Ocotlán talked with me at length about the level of protection money that his boss had to pay out each week. About a year ago, a friend had to close several branches of a family business in Morelia and Uruapan because he could no longer make the weekly payouts. And about three months ago, another friend in Morelia had to close his business and go underground for several weeks because of threats to himself, his family, and his employees.

So when cracker suggests just staying out of businesses operated by the narcotraficantes, it's a non-viable solution. Whether any given business is actually owned by narcotraficantes or whether the owners aren't narcos but are cooperating with narcos out of fear, it's the same story.

Well I don't know, I've been here for well over 12 years, know more than a few business owners, and I've never heard anything like this. Unions, yes. Narcos, no.

Somehow I kinda doubt that Wal Mart is being threatened. rotflmao.

Narcs are business people too, and they sure don't want to put all businesses out of business. That doesn´t make any sense at all to me.

So, basically I disagree. If any business owner allows himself to be put in that position, maybe he or she needs to rethink.

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Well I don't know, I've been here for well over 12 years, know more than a few business owners, and I've never heard anything like this. Unions, yes. Narcos, no.

Somehow I kinda doubt that Wal Mart is being threatened. rotflmao.

Narcs are business people too, and they sure don't want to put all businesses out of business. That doesn´t make any sense at all to me.

So, basically I disagree. If any business owner allows himself to be put in that position, maybe he or she needs to rethink.

Cracker, if all of your experience in Mexico has been at Lake Chapala, you have pretty limited horizons. I've been thinking about your post re staying out of businesses that have narcotraficante involvement and I thought of a question I'd like to ask you. How would you know if the business has these ties--or even if the only tie is the payment of "protection"? Are you thinking of asking? It seems really, really unlikely that the girl behind the counter would know, and it also seems really, really unlikely that the owner would tell you.

And it is also really rude that you seem to think I have made up what I posted. Just because you have never heard of it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

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