RickS

Not to stick my nose into your business and to assume that you will/have not already done this, but..... All stem cell ‘treatments’ are not alike and all are not being done by people using the same procedures and the same equipment and the same training. So when one sees that (just an example) your local cosmetologist or maybe chiropractor is now doing stem cell treatments, be aware that you will not get the same results as you might/should if it were done by a truly qualified clinition. So to that end I’d be asking not only “who” might be doing it but also “how” and what “equipment” they are using to: 1) harvest the stem cells [and from where], 2) concentrate and enhance the stem cells harvested and 3) inject it into the precise spot where it can actually do some good. Without all this knowledge one might just as well use botox and count on the plecobo affect to cure one’s problem.

“Mostlylost” will answer I’m sure, but remember that the cost to Import is not a fixed amount.... it varies with ? Maybe the value of the vehicle.

EDIT: Yo1 has deleted his Post.... which is the one I am referring to below as being inaccurate. Of the two, I’d go with Sonia’s account of the process. Yes, it can be potentially challenging. The process will start with EXPORTING the vehicle from the US via Customs (which may take a day or two and is handled by the bonded Broker... if it is NOT, then run!), then IMPORTING it into Mexico. Yes it will cost quite a bit so make sure your vehicle is worth it to you. Mexican based brokers are just as good and maybe better. But the idea that it will take a “month or two” is completely inaccurate. Drive it to the border with an appointment with a reliable Broker and plan on spending 2-4 days there before driving back. Remember that one must also then get the vehicle ‘registered’ in your home state which I presume is Jalisco... more cost. YMMV

I just love the information that is shared on this Board......

Well, it sounded like/was a first-hand report. Maybe as in Mexico, sometimes even in CAnada an Agent ‘runs with his/her own interpretation/lack of knowledge’. That must have been a piss’r.

Just because one an GET a TIP ‘early’ doesn’t mean that one can actually enter Mexico without having a Tourist or RT visa standing. If you recall, when you got your TIP online you first were redirected to an immigration site where you made some ‘guarantees’ about your visa status. Also although you can GET an online TIP up to 60 days in advance, you were asked with your online TIP application for the ‘date’ you intended to cross. This question, IMO, is to align the 180 day stay of your TIP and your FMM. Also, no one ever said that the two documents were ‘joined at the hip’ as there are other things that can ‘tie’ the two together such as your US Passport #. So, IMO, your revelation may just be.....irrelevant.

Nope.... it is definitely "my gay" daughter.... only he underlined it twice just in case one didn't get the intensity of his feelings (either toward the owner or his daughter, can't tell!).

Actually your T-Mobile account is using Telcel in Mexico. T-Mobile has no presence as such but rather a marketing agreement with Telcel. Telcel users in Mexico are switched to T-Mobile if/when they go NOB. I am surprised that they are allowing you to still use that account with them. Not that it has anything to do with this, but T-Mobile is close to merging with Sprint NOB. T-Mobile will be the surviving company (assuming the US gov. allows the merger).

“4G light” Actually LTE stands for Long-Term Evolution... And, yes, there is a difference between 4G and 4G LTE. Does Telcel provide LTE?

To be clear.... in the US one must have/pay for tethering in order to use one’s phone as a hotspot. That is an extra $20/mo (special right now for $10!) for 10GB of 4G LTE. Yes, one can get 3G tethering without paying extra but if you have ever tried to even ‘surf’ at 3G you know websites can take forever to load; email and music OK. I would assume.... but that has gotten me into trouble more than once..... that the same would be true when taking one’s T-Mobile phone into Mexico and hooking up with Telcel. IF one wants to tether their phone as a hotspot one must have that $20/$10 option on their account to begin with. BTW, while one’s phone is in tether mode, one can use the phone for talk/text, but not data.

As suggested above, the '"seller's" TIP must be cancelled at the border to remove that vehicle from the records of being in Mexico. Then, yes, the buyer can bring it back in and, yes, must pay the deposit as ALL must do bringing a vehicle in. BUT, herelin lies a rub and a quick 'turnaround' is not possible: If one is buying the vehicle that has just been driven out, that new owner cannot drive right back in because he/she does not have a title or registration for that vehicle.... they only have a signed-over title from the seller. To bring a vehicle into Mexico, one must have a title IN THEIR NAME. Since Texas will not give you a title if you don't live there, you must find some place/state that will give you a title and plates. And this process will take time to accomplish. So buyer beware.

Well, not always. There is a timing issue. When one comes across in that circumstance, the TIP is not valid for the 'normal' 180 days. RVGringo stated it is 15. But none-the-less if the Temporal process takes a long time to complete, the TIP CAN get 'loss in the paperwork' and at that point getting the refund when exiting can be compromised. (That was the short version of what can and has happened... as rvanparys suggested happened to him/her).

Under the circumstances you mention (moving back NOB), for all practical purposes you cannot take that Mexican titled vehicle NOB and title it there. [If, however, you were just going NOB for a visit, one could take that vehicle and keep it there for up to one year] "Most" vehicles made in and sold for Mexican consumption do not meet US Emissions and Safety requirements. "Most". If a newer Mexican vehicle should be able to meet those requirements, that vehicle could be Imported into the US but that process is costly and not for the faint of heart.

Pappysmaret, your comments are not entirely accurate. The law that prohibits selling a foreign plated vehicle in Mexico with a temporary import permit (TIP) is aimed at not permitting that vehicle to indefinitely stay in Mexico. Selling a foreign plated vehicle in Mexico to someone whose intentions are to immediately drive it out of the country is not in violation of that law. The 'sell' transaction (which merely means a US title gets signed over and funds pass hands) does not have to be done NOB as you have stated. What Mexico wants/demands is that the vehicle be removed as promised by the person originally obtaining the TIP. IF a person wishes to sell their foreign plated vehicle in Mexico, that person should demand from and be comfortable that the new owner WILL immediately drive that car out of Mexico AND, as you stated, cancel the 'sellers' TIP at a border crossing. That new owner should also remit back to the seller the receipt one receives from Aduana when one cancels that TIP and the seller would be wise to keep that receipt 'forever'. IF the seller has already reached Permanente visa status, the seller must procure a Retorno Seguro (Safe Return) document from SAT in "Guadalajara" and designate the buyer as the driver. This document, once obtained, gives the driver 5 business days in which to safely remove the vehicle from Mexico. If the seller is 'merely' a Temporal or a Visatante, a Carta Poder (Power of Attorney) should be provided by the buyer to the seller to drive the vehicle out of the country. I have purchased probably 15 vehicles in Mexico, Ajijic and San Miguel de Allende, over the last few years from owners who were either approaching or had achieved Permanente status and who just did not want to go to the hassle and expense of driving the vehicle out of Mexico, somehow dispensing of it NOB and then bussing or flying back to their home. I often use Spencer McMullen or a Notario for the formal paperwork to insure that the removal of the vehicle is done properly. I always cancel the TIP at the border and remit the receipt back to the seller. This is not "job" but something I do as a retirement hobby.... and it gets me down to Lakeside more often.

RV does NOT have to be IN Mexico to be able to answer questions/make Posts on this Forum. Your Post is trying to shed some amount of skepticism on what he Posts. Yes, like all of us he may get something a 'bit off' from time to time but by-in-large he is spot-on IMO. He tends to take the 'hard legal line' sometimes but at least one knows what may be coming if one tries to 'get by'.

From the OP's initial Post it sounds like he got started at a consulate and is coming down with a foreign plated vehicle and already has the TIP sticker. At some point one will have to go through the 'declare' or 'nada declare' line so one must at least 'slow down'. It depends on where one crosses as to whether that is 'at the border' or the proverbial '26km stop'. The only 'reasonable' way to make this trip from Albuquerque is down through Chihuahua. It is 150 miles farther to go down to Del Rio (although that is a great way to go otherwise!). If it is Juarez proper that you do not want to drive through, by all means cross at Santa Teresa (do it anyway!).

You probably didn't notice that "Andi" originally posted this inquiry over a year ago and was last heard of in February. Seems to already be in Ajijic...

Just more proof of how valuable these Boards are to people, eh Johanson?

Sonia I truly wish that this info would/could be the answer and the end of this question. But, as is usual in Mexico, it appears to be just one more case of someone getting direct information from a Mexican official only to have it later 'denounced' by another person who got 'official' information from the same government agent to the contrary. Last year Snowyco said that he talked to different agents of INM at three border crossings and telephoned an agent of SAT in DF... all of whom said that we cannot fly out leaving our TIP vehicle in Mexico even.... if we fly back in and take the vehicle out 'on time'. I personally just think that there is no law that gives a definitive answer to this particular situation and people just make up an answer. And that is just Mexico. P.S. If all this sounds like I don't appreciate your Posting this information Sonia, I apologize. I do. It's just that faced with 'official' but contradictory information, one becomes very skeptical.... and not willing to believe either version of 'the truth'. P.P.S. What I do know, and it is of course just anecdotal, is that one (me) can and has done this more than once: 1) drive into Mexico obtaining TIP and FMM, 2) fly out surrendering FMM, 3) fly back in getting another FMM, 4) drive out cancelling TIP at the border and causing no heart burn by any Agent there, plus receiving my TIP deposit back on my credit card within 3 business days. AND, I have done this recently. This of course means nothing without a law to quote. Maybe I just have been lucky or maybe it's the law that we don't know about (or can't produce a copy thereof).

I know of no other place on the planet where there are so many people watching their Internet connections and reporting said 'by the minute'. And that is hard to do when one doesn't have an Internet!

Funny, I traveled into Mexico end of May and the FMM forms that Volaris was giving out DOES have the boxes to check for either "Tarjeta de Residente Visatante, Tarjeta de Resdidente Temporal and Tarjeta Residente Permanente". The boxes are on both top and bottom in the 'greyed out" area for "Official Use".

I think somewhere in there it said 'send us your test'....

While I am not trying to defend the failure to wear them, one would have to 'walk in those shoes' before one could understand some of the reasons. In reality, mine and everyone I've discussed this with who wears them, hearing aides are at best aggravating and at worse 'unnatural'. Even the best of them don't come close to replicating the human ear's ability to process sound. I'll leave it at that.

To me your Post is somewhat confusing. You use the word CARD(S) for seemingly, to me, two different things.... a Permanente visa card and an FMM document card. This is what is confusing. It is an FMM docment card that one writes "Residente Permanente Boldly", not your Permanente Card. So one hands the INM officer first your Permanente card, then your foreign Passport and then lastly an FMM 2-part document on which one has written boldly (on the top and bottom 'duplicate' parts) "Residente Permanente". He will keep one part of this FMM document (for statistical purposes) and give you back the other half for your use when you re-enter Mexico. When you re-enter Mexico you give this 'half' FMM document to the INM agent at customs in the airport. This process is also used for a Residente Temporal visa holder for the same purposes.