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Updated just now: Two updates to the ever-changing details needed to get your vaccine tomorrow. 1) The Jocotepec vaccination date has been moved up from a Wednesday start to tomorrow, Tuesday, coinciding with the Chapala and Ajijic start. 2) About 40 minutes ago, Governor Alfaro posted that the Ajijic location is the Cultural Center on the plaza. This contradicts the interim mayor’s dinnertime video update (with separate still images from other sources corroborating) that the location is to be at the Malecón. Heck if I know where in Ajijic actual vaccinations will be administered but residents from San Antonio and Riberas west to La Canacinta are supposed to go to the Ajijic location. Update from the interim delegado a few minutes ago: The Lakeside administration of the Sinovac vaccine begins tomorrow, Tuesday, in Chapala, Ajijic, and Jocotepec—note that these are different from the locations previously posted—and the vaccination runs Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. He did not repeat the hours, but those communicated earlier are 8-4. 2,600 tokens per day will be released. (Note: He doesn't clarify if this includes both Chapala and Ajijic or is the quantity for each of the two locations.) People from other municipalities are welcome, but priority will be given to those from the Chapala municipality. Here are the locations: In Chapala, the "antigua presidencia" (former) municipal (the yellow building) on Madero, #226, which is the corner of Hidalgo (the carretera) and Madero, northwest corner at the traffic light. In Ajijic, on the malecón at Calle del Paseo (the street that runs parallel to the malecón.) In Jocotepec at the Regional Hospital on the carretera. He says you need to bring: your registration doc from mivacuna.gob.mx, the original and a copy of your INE (for expats, make a copy of your temporal/permanente), your CURP and proof of address. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Governor Alfaro announced around 8:30 pm tonight that part of the newly-arrived shipment of 54,000 doses of Sinovac Covid-19 vaccine is destined for Chapala and Jocotepec. "Me da gusto informar que hace unos momentos llegaron a Jalisco alrededor de 54 mil dosis de la vacuna Sinovac que, según el Plan Nacional de Vacunación, serán aplicadas la semana que viene en 11 municipios más: San Juan de los Lagos, Encarnación de Díaz, Jocotepec, Tizapán El Alto, Zapotlán del Rey, Tuxcueca, Ocotlán, La Barca, Chapala, Ciudad Guzmán y Zapotlán El Grande. Desde ya estaremos trabajando con los municipios para ayudar en todo lo necesario. Seguiremos informando." Actual dates and locations have not yet been released for Chapala but Jocotepec just posted their vaccine schedule from 8-4 on Weds-Fri, 17-19 at the Community Hospital. NOTE: Joco is asking for original and copy of one's proof of address. #Vacunas | Los días 17, 18 y 19 de marzo, en #Jocotepec se aplicarán vacunas contra #COVID_19 a personas de la 3ra edad. Las vacunas se aplicarán en el Hospital Comunitario Jocotepec, en un horario: 8:00 am a 4.00 pm. In previous Covid-19 vaccine administrations, IMSS clinics, schools, convention areas have been used. The IMSS clinic in Seis Esquinas was previously announced as the Ajijic location; there is an IMSS location in Chapala at Flavio Romero as well. Of course, things change and hopefully more locations will be added. FUN FACT: 15.4 percent of Jalisco’s over 65 population resides in the municipality of Chapala; NOT SO FUN FACT: people over age 60 are eligible, so expect longer lines in the municipality than in a community with a bunch of youngsters, as more of us are eligible. Out-of-the way locations tend to get fewer people than busy, central vaccination locations. I’ve been checking with already-vaccinated people and the process seems fairly consistent from community to community. You need to take the following documents with you: • Your printed CURP • Official ID (permanente, temporal, INE if you are Mexican); make a copy in case they want it. • Proof of address, such as your CFE or Telmex bill (some places do not require, some do); again, a copy in case they want it. • The printout of your mivacuna.salud.gob.mx registration. If you have not yet registered, see the web address in this bullet point to register, then print your confirmation. In other Covid-19 vaccine locations here in Mexico the process has been this: One stands in line; usual opening time is 8 am. If you get there earlier, expect the line to have formed already as it is more comfortable to wait in the dark/shade than it is in afternoon sun. Be advised that some people line up more than two hours early. You’ll at some point get a number in the queue. Take sunglasses and a hat; water; many people took some type of seating, especially if you have an issue standing for hours. Social distancing, masking and all safety precautions are recommended, but picture a gazillion seniors in line at Seis Esquinas and you have an idea of what you’ll face. Unless they’ve improved the process, you likely will wait hours. And more hours. The line moves, in spurts. The reason it stops at times for longer periods is that after you get your shot, a group of a predetermined size waits together to ensure there is no adverse reaction from the vaccine, as well as it allows them time to prepare, process, and distribute to you your updated paperwork that shows which vaccine and lot you received, and when your return date is. That will take 15-30 minutes for each group. MAKE A COPY OF THIS DOCUMENT IN CASE YOU LOSE IT; PERHAPS STORE IT IN YOUR PHONE as well. HERE IS THE PROCESS MOST SITES HAVE FOLLOWED IN JALISCO: The health brigadiers have you fill out a form that functions as your registration; they'll get information from your CURP and Permanente/Temporal/INE cards. You also will be asked to communicate your telephone number, email, and zip code. If that will be difficult for you to provide in Spanish or would slow the line for others behind you, print this information neatly on a paper and take it with you to hand to the volunteer registrar. They'll fill in other details, such as the location where you are vaccinated and that location's federal health ID, called a CLUES. Next, you answer the following questions on the registration form by checking the appropriate box (yes or no): Do you present comorbidities? HIV (VIH in Spanish), diabetes, obesity, hypertension COPD (EPOC in Spanish), cerebrovascular, asthma, chronic renal issues, currently in treatment for cancer, immunosuppression. “YES” TO ANY OF THESE IS OK—It is to track comorbidities, not to exclude you. You also will be asked if you have been vaccinated in the last 30 days against: Influenza, Hepatitis B, or Measles/Mumps/Rubella (SR in Spanish). “YES” TO ANY OF THESE MAY EXCLUDE YOU from being vaccinated at this time. Multiple vaccines within 21 days lowers their efficiency, which is the reason for this question. At the end, you will get a receipt with info that includes your name and CURP, details on your vaccination dose and lot/batch number, some info on the vaccinator, and your return date for the second shot. (SInovac is a two-dose vaccine.) Keep that in a safe place for your second vaccine appointment. I hope this helps you prepare for your vaccine.

Seen somewhere in Ajijic:

I hear so many people jumping for joy over this vaccine and I am arguing with other friends who refuse to get any vaccine. Wow, everyone is just moving in all sorts of directions. For me, I agree that I will not take a vaccine from China or Russia or anywhere else that has not been vetted by either the European, US, or WHO medical teams. Sputnik V got an article written but that doesn't mean it had a medical review of it's trials and official filings. I and another friends have hunted all over the internet for information on Sinovac and there is none. One of my dearest friends that would be happy to be first to take the Sinovac says it is 86% effective. She doesn't understand that EFFICACY means NOTHING regarding the side effects, long-term impact on your health, how the shot may react if you are on other medication or have health conditions, and many other factors. If anyone has a reliable source (e.g. the CDC, FDA, WHO or similar entity) about Sinovac please share the link. Finally a comment on efficacy. You can't compare efficacy ratings from one vaccine to the other as they use different methodology and are including different people in the statements. Efficacy does indicate many don't hospitalized or suffer severe reactions. But it is not a statement about side-effects, complications, and anything else that I need to know about prior to have it put into my body.

Chillin I just sometimes laugh out loud at your ideas. Not because they are funny but IMO often pertain to how you live your life lakeside, passed off as how others might should or have to. Of course Mexico is 'known' for how many Nationals drive. But to suggest.... to Medcare... that THIS is his biggest threat living in Mexico is just too funny IMO. It's fine that you have decided to only use a personal driver or to order your staples to be delivered to your home. And there is certainly a lot to be said for not driving willy-nilly around town needlessly. But it is a false representation of how life Lakeside can and generally is lived. P.S. A couple of times during this thread Medcare has suggested that Lakeside and Jalisco in general is far too risky to consider as a domicile.. due to environmental issues he/she perceives exists.... so I'm wondering why the continuing pursuit with questions. BTW, his/her perceptions do not ring true with MY reality and more than likely there is not real DATA to support that but, hey, it's OK to have a perception.... until one starts passing it off as reality.

I guess you could check The Master Plan at Chapala City Hall!!

Texas now has J&J's one shot available. I will pass on the local offering. https://tdem.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=3700a84845c5470cb0dc3ddace5c376b

That link is just an interview with the CEO of Sinovac maker. What do you expect him to say? Everything I've read puts Sinovac at 50 percent.

If you don't drink the water in the lake and don't swim in it, how is it a threat to your well-being? I would say that Mexico is not a good choice for you. Mexicans (not all, of course) burn plastic, throw garbage around, spray toxic chemicals wantonly, drive like maniacs. There is a lot of noise pollution. If you are going to be upset and freaked out about such things, you should stick to living in first world countries where everything is well-regulated. DNA altered frogs will be the least of your issues if you move to Mexico. .

All of the above.

For what it's worth...the Global Times is funded by the government of China.

... with increased efficacy after several weeks to 95%, what I've read.

Easter golf anyone?

We recently switched to a higher efficiency solar pool water heating system that was able, when used with a cover, to heat our pool to the mid eighties when highest daytime temp poolside was mid to upper sixties. That is pretty good considering we just didn't have the space for 10 and had to go with eight that are not installed in the most optimal way because of the nature of our rooftop. If you want to see them PM me.

So you're willing to stand in a long line, get to your turn, and find out they want more info? Don't be silly..... take everything. The stuff not needed can be used for scrap paper!

This is true, many long term solar pool panel users here on the board and all across lakeside....ask MaineCoons, in fact, he can attest. 🙂

Your entire post is woefully incorrect and uninformed. First of all, many people swim at 70 F and enjoy it. For those who don't, it is easy, effective, simple, and economical to use solar pool panels to heat a pool to the mid-80's F and even higher.

It is easier and faster to google things yourself than put your question on a forum for someone else to do the "work" for you. You then wait for responses for an answer you could have gotten in a matter of seconds. This is a trend with a lot of posters on this site. Not trying to start an argument, just stating facts.

Let me just say, go ahead get in line folks. I just hope there are less side effects than the AstraZeneca vaccine. All across Europe they are putting a stop to vaccinating people with this European developed vaccine due to deadly side effects. Maybe, all you guys have greater trust in Chinese scientists than I do. If we believe that the virus has been out at least since Nov of 2019, or possibly earlier. That just means the virus has been rapidly spreading everywhere for the past 16 months and with our large highly concentrated population that refuses to abide by restrictions, we have only around 60 dead from Covid. That is not a pandemic guys, possibly in some areas, yes but not here. And if this pseudo pandemic refuses to become a true pandemic (locally speaking) after nearly a year and a half, than hell, I am not too worried about it. And no I am not an anti vaxxer I just hate needles.

For years when I had something of some value and didn't want I would set it on the sidewalk outside my fence with a "gratis" sign taped to it.

Some people just can't handle opinions and observations that different from theirs. And they react with personal vitriol. Dichosalocura cited a good example here. IMO the level of covid in this area does not justify the extreme fear some exhibit on this board and eleswhere. Particularly when one realizes that the great majority of the handful of local deaths over now an entire year involve corollary exacerbating conditions of obesity, diabetes, heart conditions and extreme age. Case loads are now dropping very significantly throughout the country and most places in the world. The fact is these vaccines work with a different mechanism than most of the vaccines we are familiar with and have been using against flu for several decades. They were developed in great haste and now they are being disseminated in great haste. This isn't just another flu vaccine. I'm old enough to remember thalidomide and how long it took to find out that it had really disastrous and sad side effects. Some of these vaccines have been developed without safeguards and transparency and by governments known to be careless of both and quite prone to dishonesty. I wouldn't allow myself to be injected with anything from either China or Russia under any circumstance. I'd be willing to bet most expats agree and this is going to be an experiment conducted largely on the Mexican population. In these circumstances, the "bad news" if any will take some time to manifest itself. Given the extremely low risk of covid locally and with the limited exposure most local expats will have because of life style and informed precautions I see absolutely no reason for myself or my wife why we need to rush into this until a better track record is established and published. So I'm with Dichosalocura on this one. We will wait and watch and plan to get vaccinated in the U.S. this summer.

fyi. It is mostly poor countries and/or dictatorships that are buying the Chinese vax. Phillipines President Duarte made a big deal of announcing shipments of Sinovac. The 77 year old Duarte later admitted he will not take Sinovac as the Filipino version of the FDA says due to its low efficacy (50%) it cannot be given to any Health Care worker, nor to anyone above the age of 59. It has been approved only for healthy persons between the ages of 18 nd 59. Indonesia is also not allowing its elderly to take Sinovac.

Oregontochapala, you don't like my opinion, seriously? Thats one of the things I like about this board is that anybody can come on and freely express their opinion unlike the other board that only allows mainstream opinions. If you think my post was full of missinformation and lies please point it out. I'm also not a fan of conspiracy theories or right wing fascists to tell you the truth but I do have my opinions. One is that something about this whole virus and the worlds leader's reaction to it stink. But it is NOT my opinion that over 12 countries have now suspended the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/15/which-countries-have-halted-use-of-astrazenecas-covid-vaccine It is not my opinion that blood clots are a deadly side effect. It is not my opinion that the virus has been and been spreading since Nov. 2019 or possibly earlier. It is not my opinion that this is a highly populated area living in a very concentratedly small area in a very small stretch of land. And it is not my opinion that with our large population we have fortunately only lost around 60 people. All those are facts. If the truth were known, the municipality of Chapala probably has close 100 thousand people living here now. Hundreds of families have flocked to our area from the larger cities like Gdl and MC since the pandemic began. I guess the only part of my post that was opinionated was whether or not 60 or so people dead out of close to 100 thousand in nearly a year and half of a deadly virus outbreak equated to a pandemic for our area. Maybe, you should reread my previous post.

https://listado.mercadolibre.com.mx/shoe-goo#D[A:shoe%20goo]

I've never seen an equivalent product and I have never seen Shoe Goo here. Shipping from Amazon US and Amazon.com. mx is the same at $33 bucks approx (Mexican version imported, so basically the same order). Meanwhile, the product itself is like 6 or 7 bucks.

Rich (Richie) Guarino Picked ours up, took it home to do the install, brought it back next day and spent over 2 hours with me teaching me all the steps, and the do's and dont's. All that for $500 pesos.... a BARGAIN ...and he is REALLY patient with techno-$%&/()s like me. FB Rich Richie OR RichInMexico cell 332 051 2398 email: Richg359@gmail.com And be advised, if he's with a person teaching them, he does not answer his cell. What a thoughtful difference! 🤩

Hector Espana, the Chapala EXPAT Liaison could use a printer. I'll pm you his phone

That's the problem with being retired..... you NEVER get a day off!!!

The deal will not go through IF ALLOWED until fall of 2022..... so Shaw users have time to seek other options. One is to get a Firestick and have Rich install it..... end of ANY dollars paid out for a kazillion options! (And the Firestick is workng better than our android box)

Families frolicking in the lake are a special event???. As well as swimming in it and[gasp!] swallowing some water once and enjoying myself and not glowing in the dark,I simply call the lake a giant prairie slough in JEST. I don't constantly slag something that I am not really familiar with like you have done for years. As well as Doc Stong there have been many studies done by all kinds of scientists and scientific institutions, not just the Uof G, hardly any of which back up your ridiculous unfounded negativity. There is no special event in this foto that you reposted unless you consider the norm of Mexican families doing things together as special. If so, you are not very observant of Mexicans. pedro kertesz

Rogers fines 91-year-old woman unable to return equipment due to lockdown | CBC News Shaw users beware, the new "management" is not "user friendly".

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202103/1217754.shtml

Well now I have to figure out if I want this. I can find zero data on this vaccine. I was so hoping for Sputnik.

This is not a joke but I didn't know where else to post it. I am in full agreement with Rona!

You have posted infinite times that you are "BUSINESS MAN". Well, I for one am glad I have no need to do "business" with you. 😃

I know! And we would have missed another one of your rants over basically nothing, a tragic loss indeed.

Nothing posts no risk. We each decide what level of risk we are willing to assume. In this situation the risk is low — though not non-existent. Compared to some of the risk taking I have seen, this is a small one.

Yeah, it is so bad here that no one, Mexican or foreigner, should consider moving here, and everyone living here should be getting out. Just unbearable!!!!!!!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56342303 2 days ago. Fyi, Brazil has been administering China's Sinovac vaccine for over 2 months. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/world/mexico-to-rely-mainly-on-chinese-vaccines/ Mexico announced a huge bet on Chinese vaccines Tuesday, without making public any information about their efficacy. Foreign Relations Secretary Marcelo Ebrard said the Mexican government has signed agreements for 12 million doses of the yet-unapproved Sinopharm vaccine and increased to a total of 20 million doses its contracts for the Coronavac dose made by China’s Sinovac. However, Ebrard’s office has repeatedly refused to answer questions about the efficacy of the Chinese shots. Sinopharm has claimed its vaccine was 79% effective based on interim data from clinical trials, but like other Chinese firms, it has not publicly released its late-stage clinical trial data. Experts in Hong Kong have assessed the efficacy of the Sinovac vaccine at about 51%. That shot has already been approved for use in Mexico. The CanSino vaccine has been approved in Mexico and reportedly has an efficacy rate of around 65.7%, Amid a dearth of public data on China’s vaccines, hesitations over their efficacy and safety are still pervasive in the countries depending on them. Inoculations with Chinese vaccines already have begun in more than 25 countries. None of China’s three vaccine candidates used globally have publicly released their late-stage clinical trial data.

No thank you. I'd rather take my chances with Covid than take the sinovac.

Despite being retired, I still put a value on my time....4 extra hours at GDL to save 20 bucks? No gracias! GoLab, 10 minute drive from house, friendly staff, less than 5 minutes in their office...report sent directly to my inbox. Que suave! Lived in MEX long enough to realize things can go wrong....rely on the airport testing site to get a test that I absolutely need in order to board a same-day flight...no way, Jose'! FYI, at GDL there is little social distancing in the terminal. While masks are required, most take the term "cubre boca" literally, wearing them below their noses.