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One thing I can tell you that you can "take to the bank", Eric, is that maybe the thing that really "pisses off" Mexicans is when a "gringo" tells them how they should be running their businesses. My opinion only.

Why tell us what you are gonna do, why not just go do it.

yes, feel free to believe any side you would like. It is not my goal to convince anybody.....just stating " the other side of things ". Like most Mexicans, I tend to be more sceptical of any government source ( they probably meant ceiling ventilators/fans ) ...especially when talking about covid19 ( even to the international press, Mex governmentS have lost all credibility in this ). What a mess they made ! I am behind the real people in the field. I have read and heard enough to believe their side. Up to you or not, to dig deeper And....I dont do wishful thinking. That is not how my mind works....however harsh reality may be

There is a store next to the Waffle House selling empanadas, pizzas, and salads. They have a huge selection of empanadas at 30 pesos each. I tried a couple, and liked both. They're open 7 days a week. Great for takeout as the empanadas hold up well.

Almost like a ghost town store. Maybe 25 customers. All customers I saw had masks. Most looked like gringos. One employee had no mask and two had their masks hanging at their chins. When I went to take pictures, one turned her back and hurried away and the other two quickly pulled their masks up. Next time I go there, I'm going to give the manager a note saying he should say that any employee found w/o a mask will be fired, and any customer without a mask will be escorted out of the store. My opinion only.

Holalola, having rescued many birds I can tell you that either it has broken bones and will not survive or it will be ok. Most likely it is now in shock. Put it in a box with cloth cover or other dark, quiet place and keep it out of drafts. It will either be ok in a few hours or dead. That is standard shock treatment for wild birds.

I feel so fortunate to live in a community that offers us seniors such fantastic services. Originally from Ontario Canada and just cannot fathom ever returning. I so appreciate being part of this beautiful place we call home but mostly thankful and greatful to our Mexican hosts who off us every kind of service you could think of. Viva Mexico, Viva Lakeside.❣️❣️

Best be careful too, about snapping shots of employees w/o permission. 2 reasons: A store is not a public place, and / or the employees and their friends may not take kindly to it.....

Turn up your hearing aid...😊

If the blood is still visible on the side walk, it might be a good idea, if you can take a few pictures of the attack sight. I hope you get result with the complaint to authorities.. you might also frame your concern, that dog might attack an innocent chld or older prson, if there is not much concern expressed about another dog being injured / killed... which could be a possibility also.

This thread is flushable! 🗯️

The OP's article identifies some critical considerations which those who rush to mandate or proscribe the actions of others would prefer to ignore. Ultimately, I am in a country which was generous enough to allow me to live here. Its citizenry will make the rules. I am free to follow them or leave. It's disheartening, though, to see so many similarly-situated people focus on virtue signalling tethered to where they came from instead of where they are. I get it: many of them are scared, in high risk groups, and feel powerless. I am sad for them and wish them the best. But I will not cave to their asinine demands. And neither, apparently, will Mexico. Things are bad and likely to get worse. Please do what you want to protect yourself. But leave the moralizing at the border.

If you don't care, and have more serious things to be concerned about, why do you bother to respond?

There is (was) a super-sociable short-haired grey kitten about 3 - 4 months old at the new-ish La Floresta vivero (upper lateral on the highway) that would come out for pets, head butts, and attention to visitors. Yesterday it went missing during "open" hours. Staff are devastated, as they've had it since it was a tiny baby. It's their PET and they really want it back. Right now they are very sad, but even more they are worried that if someone took it, will it be well cared for? If you know anything about this, or anyone who might...... please do the right thing and return this wonderful baby (no questions asked) to people who truly love it and want it back. MEOWchas gracias.

I recommend “Tito’s” for delicious rotisserie chicken! Juicy , nicely seasoned (not too salty) . Located inside small doorway across from Mario’s Restaurant on Ramon Corona Saturday and Sunday only . Usually a sandwich board on the sidewalk in front.

Still coming into town past us from Guad.... something must be up. Guess we will read about later this week.Hoping for some good rains tonight, we are overdue! Stay well everyone.❣️

That wasn't my intention. I was simply responding to the post that made it sound like we can rest easy knowing there are plenty of ventilators available. You are quite correct- by the time someone is ill enough to be put on a ventilator, they are quite ill. Also, one of the reasons ventilators are saving so few, according to what I've been reading, is that this virus isn't simply a respiratory virus, as was first thought. It appears to attack the blood vessels. Which explains a lot of symptoms and deaths that didn't necessarily present with the fever, coughing, respiratory, etc. distress. If the patient's lung walls are already full of blood clots, a ventilator isn't going to save them. And autopsy reports on COVID deaths show lungs that are as hard as cement.

Both clueless, and masochistic, apparently.

I added a smiley face so that should make it okay?

Do you really have a "boarder" to cross? I always thought that you were too polite to cross anyone.

Because attention whores addicts need attention? Just my opinion.

Thanks, I called and it seems they are now open everyday , good to know

Eric: Maybe you could help me up here in Seattle. A lot of the younger folks who are finally peacefully protesting aren't wearing masks. Do you think you could drop by and help fight the corona virus by going out in the street and ask them to start wearing their masks? Only kidding. But just like "lakeside" a lot of the younger folks are not wearing their masks up here

Get your classified ads corrected and you'll have more credibility. My opinion only.

Why would you "hinted at it" but not specify your expectations clearly better for both parties?

I cannot say it on this board because it would be considered a personal insult.

Mudgirl, Your statement seems to imply that ventilators make people die. In fact the only people put on ventilators are already so ill that the use of the ventilator is the treatment of last resort. Probably all would die without its use. Knowing what is involved in its installation, I think I would just choose to roll the dice and maybe survive or maybe die more peacefully. Alan

Very well put indeed. But the fact is we are not powerless, actually since most of us do not have to rely on employment to live we have much more power over our personal risk than the general population,. We can control our interactions with others to a much higher degree than younger people who must work and be exposed much more than us. The flip side of course is that we are in the high risk category and hence more vulnerable. The basic measures of mask wearing around others, social distancing and sanitation are very well proven and readily implemented by people in our situation.

You guys live in a bubble if you think maid is dememeaning.. and that we live like colonials. A friend of mine who is indigenous has not one but two live in maids.. She pays 800 pesos a week and the chachas get room and board and works from 7 till 4 with Saturday afternoon off and Sunday. and that is the real world in Chiapas. I know many Mexicans who have chachas and live-in chachas and this has nothing to do with slavery or the colonial times, it is life in Mexico.Whether the women are working all day or part time they are called chachas.

only one detail....even the federal government says about their own numbers, that you likely have to multiply it all by 10 or 12 to get the actual number ( also taking into account that VERY little testing is being done )

Question is, is the Association, a national group, talking about one thing and the Governor another? We know that there's a bed problem in and around Mexico City. Were they addressing this and he was addressing GDL? I don't want to join the group so I couldn't read the article. I would look for clarification on this. Rony? If the emphasis from the start had been on educating in just those three steps Eric listed rather than shutting down, jamming up the roads, and burdening with difficult paperwork and expensive things of questionable utility, would the level of cooperation be higher? That is the question I have. I can't agree that either the locals or the state has handled this well. And basically the Feds aren't handling it at all. First you put all those people out of work and drive marginal small businesses to the wall and then you come along with a bureaucratic and costly approach and expect that to work? IMO it didn't and now to the slightly delayed but definitely game on pandemic we add the further factors of impoverishment of millions, inability to get other vital medical procedures done, and I think at the end of the day it will be clear they compounded the problem. In any case, what is done is done and in our household we are very focused on personal risk management independent of what others did or might do. For us, life will start to return to normal when there is a proven vaccine and not before then.

2 thoughts... it would be good if this journalist would also read other main Mex newspapers. In El Mural today : "while our governor claims that Jalisco hospitals only show 20 % occupancy, the association of anesthesiologists has a different story : saturated hospitals and impossible to find a bed for the critically ill (covid19) patients....people are dying a drowning dead. " ( other medical staff in Guad claimed the same....I believe them over ANY politician ) https://www.mural.com/libre/acceso/accesofb.htm?urlredirect=/denuncian-medicos-saturacion-en-hospitales-por-covid-19/ar1964895?fbclid=IwAR1oeEXY4gDthL5uVJPQH6WgetXD9N9Srq6Hj6ECC_Fy_zUBXKcsZghL930 And..... all we are doing is delaying anyway. With so many infected, little respect for precautions and opening up now, before the peak.... sooner or later, most of us will get it anyway. The last 3 months of confinement have been a total waste of time, money and effort. Especially taking into account that the vaccin will not be here tomorrow and that most experts expect a 2nd and bigger wave, later this year. I dont know what the answer is either, but it is what it is. "nature in action" Yes please, if it is some kind of relief, shoot the messenger. Rony

Is what you call the person that you pay to do a service for you in your house that important to argue over or have you all gone bonkers because you can't get out as much? It is to laugh.- SNORK! pedro kertesz

I also fail to get what the (fluctuating ) exchange rate of some other country’s currency has to do with with an appropriate wage paid for services here in in Mexico.

Who cares??? I think we have much more serious things to be concerned about these days.

Very much a Catch 22, and also, IMO, a no-win situation. There are hard decisions being made all over the free World. I for one, do not know what I would do today, if I were a free World leader. I believe most of us expats, have until recently, missed another World war. In that respect, we have had it good. In some ways, IMO, this pandemic is WW III. We have an enemy, the virus, that will never be beaten and destroyed, but will be subdued, to rise again in smaller skirmishes. Here is a prophetic quote: “The single biggest threat to man's continued dominance on this planet is the virus.” - Joshua Lederberg, winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 1958 In the next 25-years, who do you think will be the survivors/winners? IMO, those with $$, and those with "connections." They will get first call when the vaccines, "cure(s)" are ready. The rest of us, well, survival of the fittest. So who do we believe/trust? American Thomas Jefferson, third U.S. President said: "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." From me to all: Good health.

The value of any foreign currency to the peso is irrelevent. If you want to say it is ...then if the peso increases in value to the dollar to say 15...will you cut your workers wages 25%?? What you earn has nothing to do with it either. Should a couple living an a minor pension pay less than someone who has a huge income? Actually in this area maids & gardeners are paid more than in most areas of Mexico. GDL rate is much lower than here. As to COLA, many of us never had a COLA in our working lives. One of my family works for the State of Jalisco. No raise in 10 years. Their raise was earned by moving up to a better position last year. So each must decide what they think is right. I know one couple at lakeside who pay their maid $600 for the day, and the same maid works at another house for $350 for the day.

Very good article...emotional but valid. I think all leaders the world over are trying to balance the physical health and economic health in their own communities. The mental health aspects have been neglected a little until very recently as the riots and protests are made more virulent due to frustrations brought on by the never ending pandemic. Health initiatives make the economic impacts worse and economic downturns make the health impacts worse. The world is a social community and we need interaction to survive emotionally and economically. How to balance those things with still climbing virus numbers is a very tough task. I respect the rights of states here and in the US to react as the majority of citizens wish. Either way a price will be paid. Since the start we have been told that the health measures are in place only to flatten the curve and that the virus will continue to sicken and kill and so it does. Has the curve been flattened enough to let us go back to as normal a life as we all desire? Can the medical industries handle what is going to happen in the near future? Can society survive the huge economic hit it continues to take without anarchy becoming all too present? Can we handle the increase in crime and suicide? Man, I'm glad I'm not in charge! Do the best you can to keep yourselves safe and don't count on everybody else to do the same things you do in those efforts. Alan

Why are we talking about an ANNUAL raise for anybody? I have been a businessman for over 5 decades, both in the US and here, and never heard of such a thing. You pay a negotiated rate and give raises when the prison earns it. When I first settled full time here over 12 years ago, I had some not good experiences with maids and gardeners. A Mexican friend then recommended a family in Ajijic. They have been with me now for over 10 years. There is the mother and daughter and aunt (sister of the mother) whom i call the Tres Amigas. They come almost exactly on time every time, and just GET IT DONE. Then there is the father and son who take care of the large property here, again in a professional and prompt manner. I pay them maybe 20% more than the going rate here and a 2 week yearly Christmas bonus. They never complain and even in these difficult times have not missed a day they are scheduled...yes they come in masks, that are immediately discarded. During all this time I think I have given them maybe 3 raises, again keeping it over the normal rate. They are all happy, my dogs love them and I have never had to worry about my housecleaning or gardening since. Works for me!

OK but we do have a gloriously beautiful, if dry, day here. I'm happy to be in Mexico.

This thing is going to run its course, everyone may as well get used to the idea. Your best bet is to be a good personal risk manager and not expect or rely on anyone else to protect you. Glad to hear you are still OK RV.

Totally agree. We pay 70 per hour for maid and gardener. A raise for coming to work? Not at my house. We do alot over and above for our staff.....nobody ever gave me all kinds of perks just for doing my job. I feel we pay very fairly.

We have had auto with Parker Ins. for 14 years. Never a problem, very helpful when we had a claim.

Teresa who works in the O'Rourke office on the Carretera, right across from Walmart. We have had our car and home insurance with her for many years. Our car insurance actually went down last year.

You give a raise for showing up?? How nice.. I pay the gardeners the going rate and right now they get by the hour the same as a mason so I m not anxious to give them a raise especially since I have to keep an eye on them and keep them in tract. If they were making 50 pesos an hour it would be different but at 70 they are getting overpaid in compataison to what does a mason.. So everyone is in a differnt boat..

Our domestic help at lakeside earn more than teachers and police so the slave wages is just not the case. The actually earn higher wages than 90% of Mexico. If I had to pay the US wage equivalent I simply wouldn't have any help. They won't thank you for causing the jobs to disappear. Actually I would just cut the hours back to what I could afford as would many folks I know. This area thrives because of the cost of living for foreigners. Most home owners simply use the inflation number as a percentage. A raise should be for better work not just attendance. Most workers do not get a COLA in the US.

Does turning off the GPS function of your smartphone prevents any tracking of your phone's location? It doesn't. You would have to put your phone into airplane mode to prevent it from reporting its location.

Last 3 posters...way too much time on your hands...hopefully things improve soon so some folks here can get out and about to clear their minds in some fresh air.

I prefer to call mine Maids...so there!!!! "Cleaning Person" just does not have the same CACHET.