32 replies to this topic

[Viajero-Tiempo]

I read them all.
I know you have a hard time resisting such remarks
The little smiley face did not make your remark following Rufus's GM/govt remark funny.
I know, you know, the moderators and others say this place is not to be political.
His sentence and yours (Volt) clearly were!
And FWIW, I think discussing Mexican politics, government entities, unions, corruption and "cronyism" might be harmful to the board members and the board sponsor. Perhaps consequences of such editorial opinions should be considered before posting them.

There are toes that could be stepped on.

To no one's benefit

[Mainecoons]

And I know you have a hard time not attacking me personally because you don't like my views. I think your views suck too but I don't go looking for every trivial opportunity to point it out.

I didn't make a political comment. I made a joke. If anyone made a slightly political comment, Rufus did but it hardly qualifies as a capital crime requiring your sniping at either of us

Get over it and get over yourself. Go complain over on TOB where you can pontificate and name call to your heart's content.

[Viajero-Tiempo]

How would I know your views, you never express political opinion - right
So, i point out things that I see a contrary to the rules of the board
I understand you are a moderator of this board and should surely set a good example
If you cant keep you views and snide remarks to yourself, the the board sponsor should send you packing.
I would!
And I would let everyone know why as an example as what not to do as a sanctioned moderator.

Since you didn't address the issue of Mexican politics, perhaps you comprehend the damage you do to us all when publishing your views.

Keep your views about Mexico and Mexicans to yourself. Or say them over a beer at your house here or elsewhere to people that share your views or want to learn what they are.

Dont jeopardize us all with your use of this forum that is available for all to see and might be generalized to include us all to publish some ONE American's views.

If you disagree and you have support from the board sponsor, have the sponsor publicly rebuke my statements

[Mainecoons]

Like I said, get over yourself. The only one jeopardizing this thread is you with your whining and personal sniping. The proper procedure is to file a complaint with the mods, not waste everyone's time with your public complaining. Click the "report" button on the post that offends your tender sensibilities and report it. If they agree, they'll delete or edit the post.

I don't moderate threads I participate in.

[AlanMexicali]

I agree! The present system in Mexico is a very fair method of taxation. Those who use more petroleum products or electricity will pay more to the government and those who purchase more taxable goods at the included and almost invisible 16% IVA will also pay more into the general fund. That seems very fair to me.

Well put. Why tax people that don´t use energy for the benefit of those that do. For example I read some remarks about the "poor" people who might live on ejido land and have very little and feel it is a bit condescending to look at these people who choose the simple life and can afford it and can get medical care through Seguro Popular and are for the most part carrying on their traditional lifestyle without modern appliances, cars, etc. Why all the disrespect for the culture? Why compare those that choose to live this way and think it is such a bad thing Mexico´s tax and medical system allows this to still exist? Why not accept it and leave those people alone? Is it because they are an eyesore when out in public to some who don´t like seeing it? I accept it and do not like it when some comment on the "plight" of some citizens and accuse others for causing it. Get real!

[Mainecoons]

I don't have a problem with this if that is what the country wants. I have a problem with the fact that Pemex squanders money and resources on corrupt management and labor and because of that is failing to develop resources. Do a little checking and you will be impressed with how much the revenues to the government from Pemex have fallen.

I found this informative as a summary of why Pemex is running out of oil and returning less and less revenue to the government.

http://knowledge.wha...?articleid=2222

And this. Note the reference to PetroBras which might be just the role model needed to get Pemex on track.

http://futurechallen...-mismanagement/

BTW, thank you for getting the thread back on topic.

[AlanMexicali]

"The biggest basic issue for Pemex is that the federal government, from López Portillo onward, didn’t use the tools necessary to create a healthy corporation able to thrive for generations into the future. Rather, the state acted as a leach: the federal government, which collects very little tax revenue for a country of Mexico’s level of development, relies on Pemex for close to 40 percent of its operating budget. This amounts to nearly 60 percent of the company’s revenues being siphoned off every year."

This quote from the second article is probally what sticks in your craw as it should for any free wheeling go for it opportunist. Social democracies have no burden to sustain itself from taxes from their citizens at the expensive of overburdening them. Overburdening their natural resources is their modus operandi instead. Privitizing natural resources and energy ends in taxing them to death and that country´s citizens at the expense of the citizens who´s country they belong to solely to profit the opportunists that just happen to have enough money to own them privately. These owners then could care less if there is heavy taxes on their products. That is what an economy is based on NOB and you cannot see past what little it does thinking this way and forget living here taking advanage of Mexico´s tax and socialization policies and somehow feel it is wrong.

[Mainecoons]

Nothing "sticks in my craw" other than the corruption and incompetence of Pemex which is depriving the country of needed resources and if allowed to continue, will end up having it import oil. You seem to support having them continue mainly to benefit a handful of corrupt managers and union workers at the expense of the people, as numerous references show very clearly is the case with Pemex and the declining revenues that have been going to said people. You must have missed where I, and quite a number of others, have suggested that PetroBras could be a model for reforming Pemex.

I sure don't favor any more Exxons. The over-consolidated and under competitive U.S. oil industry isn't benefitting that country either.

Try to keep your incorrect and offensive personal commentary to yourself and stick to the factual discussion here, thanks.

[AlanMexicali]

Nothing "sticks in my craw" other than the corruption and incompetence of Pemex which is depriving the country of needed resources and if allowed to continue, will end up having it import oil. You seem to support having them continue mainly to benefit a handful of corrupt managers and union workers at the expense of the people, as numerous references show very clearly is the case with Pemex and the declining revenues that have been going to said people. You must have missed where I, and quite a number of others, have suggested that PetroBras could be a model for reforming Pemex.

I sure don't favor any more Exxons. The over-consolidated and under competitive U.S. oil industry isn't benefitting that country either.

Try to keep your incorrect and offensive personal commentary to yourself and stick to the factual discussion here, thanks.

Yes, sorry about the comments that were not necessary or correct.

[Mainecoons]

Thank you. The Petrobras model was widely discussed during the election and commented on favorably by two of the candidates, including the winner.

http://csis.org/blog...election-mexico

[jnc]

Privatization, this time open, above board and not cronyized.

A tall order here, I know.

Uh, Mainecoons...privately owned oil companies have given the US gasoline prices that are approaching double what we pay at the pump in Mexico, gigantic oil spills, political corruption, and have filled the pockets of their owners at the expense of millions of American consumers. For all its problems, I hope Mexico keeps the greedy Big Oil boys out. Clearly Mexico needs to re-direct some of the proceeds from Pemex to exploration, development, and modernization. Will it happen? Who knows, but I'm pretty sure of the ills that will occur if they ever let the Big Oil camel put its nose in the tent.

[Mainecoons]

Did you miss these two posts above?

From #28:

You must have missed where I, and quite a number of others, have suggested that PetroBras could be a model for reforming Pemex.

I sure don't favor any more Exxons. The over-consolidated and under competitive U.S. oil industry isn't benefitting that country either.

And #30

The PetroBras model of partial privatization and general house cleaning makes the most sense to me. One of the strengths of the Mexican system is that it avoids those wild swings in prices NOB. However, it should be clear to all that reform is badly needed as revenues to government and production continue to fall. Pemex in its current configuration loses billions to mismanagement and featherbedding and cannot develop its resources.

[CocinaMod]

I think this thread has gotten out of hand. Closed.