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[Toltepeceno]

http://www.borderlan...t-violence.html

Here is an aticle that shows for one thing the support for military action here at 80%. It kind of blows the "referendum against calderon's military action" theory out of the water.

Pri is buying the election and media. Just as I stated before they came through painting houses pri colors for votes a while ago. Several days ago they were here giving away backpacks packed full of stuff for signing papers stating you would vote for them. They also had busses all over toluca of people they bussed in from other places to make their rally's full for the media.

This bus crash that killed 32 is a PT bus of people being bussed to a rally. They are PT, but they are mixed in with pri.

http://news.yahoo.co...-114650953.html

I personally saw 22 pri and pt busses on the side of the road stopped the day of the rally's in toluca, they were on the autopista headed toward Queretaro waiting for the rest.

Side note. I am starting a blog at www.mexicolivingonline.com . It's no forum, just will be info but is a work in process. If anyone is interrested post suggestions and comments. Just going to see if it will benefit anyone.

[Ajijic]

In Mexico City Pena Nieto's supporters knocking on doors and offering money for those who give a copy of their ID and their vote to those representing PRI. Corruption everywhere. Keep in mind hundreds of positions in the Mexican senate are appointed after the election and only a portion of the senators are elected.

[Arroyo Grande]

The poll has alot of other interesting results about a variety of issues. Since some people won't read anything from Borderland Beat here is a link to the report from the original source.

http://www.pewglobal...gainst-cartels/

You would be hard pressed to find any responsible person in Tamaulipas who doesn't support the military's involvement in the drug wars, other than those linked in some way to a cartel.

[Griffin]

PEW always has some great graphs. Maybe Calderon should pull a Bloomberg and run an illegal second term.

[Toltepeceno]

Pena nieto has billboards up here touting perscription medicine for all. What that actually means is that he will hook up his connections at similares pharmacies.

http://americasouthandnorth.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/pena-nieto-the-mexican-green-party-and-rent-seeking-in-mexicos-2012-elections/

[Griffin]

I don't understand why all nicotine products, products that are to help people stop smoking, have been banned in Mexico. None can be imported. If someone wants to stop smoking he cannot buy nicotine gum, a patch, anything thing that contains nicotine. A smoker can buy cigarettes. I guess Mexico would rather people get lung cancer than quit smoking. If Nieto is in tight with Big Pharma maybe he will want the pharmaceutical companies selling aids to stop smoking again.

[Toltepeceno]

I doubt it, big business rules here and tobacco companies are big business. That's why no stop smoking aids and he will not do anything to stop the tobacco company money.

Car manufacturers and dealers were behind the hoy no circula in mexico city. You cannot drive the same car every day, but you can own two and drive every day. Makes no sense. Foreign plated vehicles cannot drive before 11 am (or 9, I forget) which is designed to push them to buy mexican cars.

Nieto is tight with anything he gets a cut from.

[ValGal]

How does this compare to the last two elections? Were the same or similar methods used to gain votes?

[Toltepeceno]

Absolutely, every election even the governors election here last year. Pri came around buying votes for eruviel.

They would have lost big time if it had been legal. You know when they lose it's really major support against them if you exclude the corruption. The Unions and businesses both support and dump money into pri. Really it shows how badly they would have been beaten without buying votes. The last 2 presidents are the first time anyone else has won in many years.

The street coming to where we live has about 75% painted pri colors, painted for votes. I have never seen another party come through here where we live buying votes. It probably happens in places, but they do not have the businesses and unions dumping money into them as pri has. They have very deep pockets. You can tell that by all of the banners (here anyway) on buildings, all taxi's and busses. The othe's occasionally have signs painted on walls.

The taxi's and busses always have banners, last year they had eruviel banners. Immediately they had banners after he was elected that said "Thank you Eruviel for straightening out the transportation". I mean immediately.

Somewhere on this forum I posted a clip of pri taking farmers to an eruvial rally for votes. They did not know who he was or why they were there, just that they were promised food and gifts.

[tio]

"How does this compare to the last two elections? Were the same or similar methods used to gain votes?"

Earlier I posted my observations in Leon during last day of campana 2000... Buses paid for by PRI clogged downtown Leon bringing in those from outside. T shirts, gifts for passengers....... Fox won. Great expectations. Poor follow through.

Now I'm in Jalisco, and my highly sophisticated (haha) polling methods (in working mens' bars, talking to jardineros, maids, teachers, low level bureacrats and wanabees....) have alerted me to the "new" trickle down effectiveness of PRI campaign.

Daughter of ex-teacher from Guad (now substitute teacher) works for PRI. Her job is to assemble 30 focus groups of 11 people minimum. She then plays a 15 minute video and reads a prepared campaign pitch. For attending, each receives a "gift." Sponsor of meeting receives a kitchen appliance (toaster, licuadora, etc.).

Mother hopes for PRI so "I can get my job back." Daughter is Soy 132 but taking $. Multiply daughter's activities across MX and imagine how many are being "gifted." Personally, even though I don't agree, I'm glad someone besides big advertising powers are getting something from $ spent. I pay US (and MX) taxes and never even got a T shirt in US.

Unanimous from others is lack of "Velocity of $" as economists would call it. When PRI was in....there was money that flowed. Yes, they ALL agree about corruption of PRI but little guys felt some liquidity before PAN. Trickle down, no? Now stays at the top. Sounds like lobbiest in DC??? Reagan must have studied effect but didn't pull it off as effectively as PRI.

Back to question posed above, PRI understands and has the resources to continue past . Having been outed for 12 years they are chomping to get back to lining their pockets. The little guy is needing to feed family so........

[Griffin]

Why don't the voters accept the gifts and then vote for the person they want? Aren't the votes secret and what can PRI do anyway even if it knows the voter did not vote as promised?

[Mainecoons]

I really think it is pretty simple, based on what the Mexicans we know are saying to us. They are simply tired of the killing and the fear and want a change at the top that will result in a new strategy. They don't know if that will work but they feel that continuing on in the current path will not and that is what will happen if they keep the PAN in power. I know what the polling says, that they support the army. I think they do. It is the government they've lost faith in.

I'm not a Mexican citizen (yet) and can't vote here. I don't have a dog in the fight. This is just what I'm hearing locally from a number of folks who are and who will be voting tomorrow. FWIW.

[ValGal]

I am in Canada, now. Where will be the best place to obtain election results, as they come in? I use a translator on most newspaper sites.

[the walkers]

Why don't the voters accept the gifts and then vote for the person they want? Aren't the votes secret and what can PRI do anyway even if it knows the voter did not vote as promised?

they are counting on most people being honest and sticking to the bargain, even if they find that it was a poor one. the average person still has an enormous amount of respect for the rule of law and fairness and the pols use that against them. as we can see, USA. Mexico, all countries' politicians act as if they are above the law and if they need justification they'll write a new law and make it retroactive....that said, i hope they vote their conscience.

[bwhite1948]

I am in Canada, now. Where will be the best place to obtain election results, as they come in? I use a translator on most newspaper sites.

Online here:

http://prep2012.meganoticias.mx/

[Toltepeceno]

they are counting on most people being honest and sticking to the bargain, even if they find that it was a poor one. the average person still has an enormous amount of respect for the rule of law and fairness and the pols use that against them. as we can see, USA. Mexico, all countries' politicians act as if they are above the law and if they need justification they'll write a new law and make it retroactive....that said, i hope they vote their conscience.

This is reason also, from the other thread:

"Both she and her father said they had been told to turn in a photocopy of their voter ID card in order to get the gift cards."