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[henrylaxen]

Dear Group,

Our son, Bruno, is visiting us this weekend and bringing some of his remaining doberman puppies. We are getting one, and he will sell the rest. His ad on mercadolibre describes them in good detail. The most important thing about them is that the mother was imported from Serbia last Christmas, and hence establishes a new bloodline in Mexico. We live in Lomas del Manglar, should you want to come by and see them. Just call us at 765-3181 or Bruno at 045-669-929-0313 to arrange a visit.

Final note: Their favorite food is burglers.

Best wishes,
Nadine & Henry

[ckelly]

no doubt these are wonderful dogs! ... BUT hopefully folks will consider adoption before buying a designer puppy. There are many fabulous dogs in our shelters -- loveable, healthy and free. From dachshunds to dobermans, poodles to pitt bulls. A dog's 'bloodline' might be an owners' conversation piece but a shelter dog will equally love their families unconditionally -- and will equally guard and protect them (perhaps even more so)

[bmh]

Serbia I would be careful about the puppy mills from over there.

[henrylaxen]

Serbia I would be careful about the puppy mills from over there.

Definitely not from a puppy mill. The owner of the kennel is well known in Serbia and has produced many champions. Here is a link to his website

[Malaya]

How sad to have puppies when so many are waiting for homes.

[Jeanette]

How sad to have puppies when so many are waiting for homes.

You know, it's ironic that you said that, Malaya.

We're NOB and just relocated from Phoenix to Raleigh, so we needed to find a new vet for Riley. After some research and referrals, we went for our first visit just yesterday. The staff was great, and offered to take me on a tour of the facility which included a small cat kennel in the lobby housing some tiny kittens that had been dumped on their property that would be up for adoption when they were a bit older. Great, very cool!

Then we're touring the boarding and hospital area and I'm introduced to a mini schnauzer who just had puppies. Who owns the schnauzer ? One of the vets who owns the clinic.

Somehow, that just turned me right off. Riley and I did our vet chrck, etc anywy, but it keeps bothering me. Think we'll probably go elsewhere next year.

(By coincidence, the ONLY other dog I've ever owned was a doberman that I purchased from a dog trainer already fully trained - marvelous dog. And Riley is a rescue SCHNAUZER mix. So nobody can say I'm showing a breed bias one way or the other!)

[bwhite1948]

There is no reason to make anyone feel guilty because they choose a specific breed dog with a good pedigree. I'm sorry there are so many homeless dogs here, but people have a right to get a dog that they want.

[Griffin]

I've been around a lot of Dobermans and I've never know one that was vicious unless it was tortured into being aggressive. With a normal Dobie, I'd count on it alerting the owner to intruders but I wouldn't bet the ranch that it will attack anyone. To create Dobies they were bred with Greyhounds and Greyhounds are gentle creatures who will not bite people.

That said, I'd love to have a Dobie because I think they are wonderful pets but unfortunately there are so many strays and even cross Dobies for free who need good homes.

[jaykay]

A few thoughts on the previous post by Griffen. In the late sixties in San Francisco, my wife bought a Dobie. She had never had a dog. It got very large and didn't really like anybody except my wife. Now, in those days, folks didn't worry as much as now about liability. The police Sgt in charge of the K9 unit would give classes (for money) to local citizens. The first day he said two things. One was that at least half the time was going to be used to teach the humans what they needed to know, and two was that a lot of the dogs here for the class weren't going to be taught to attack. It wasn't necessary. They were going to be taught to NOT attack unless told to. He said that if you had bonded with your dog, it would attack it it saw you in trouble. The problem would be getting it to stop if it wasn't trained. In Mexico, a large dog is a good deterrent. A well trained large dog is even more comforting. I have heard good things about the Wolf outfit in Guad. If you really want peace of mind, and don't mind doing the work, look into getting a trained dog, or go into training wih your dog you have now. They can even be poison proofed.

[Shira]

Bringing puppies here is like bringiing coals to Newcastle.
Almost 12 years ago I went to the shelter and was adopted by a Malinois puppy..
She was not show quality but she turned out to be the most extraordinary dog anyone who knew her had ever seen. She was not only a good companion and brilliant, but was a calm dog who never hurt anyone but she would have killed anyone if they had tried to hurt either me or my other dog. There was no need to go out of the area to find this dog or any of the other dogs who need homesand can serve your needs for either companionsip, security or both.

[henrylaxen]

To ckelly:

You are totally correct, and I have to admit we feel guilty about buying our family rather than adopting it. We (currently) have two chihuahuas and and Italian Greyhound. We bought them because when we were ready to get a dog, we specifically wanted chihuahuas and IGs, but none were available at the shelter when we were ready. For the record, Nadine and I were co-founders of one of the first animal shelters in Mexico, back in the 90's when we lived in Mazatlan. The reason I made the bloodline comment is because many (Mexican and others) dog breeders interbreed their stock and you wind up with genetic nightmares. I just wanted to point out that Bruno went out of his way to prevent this. And yes, any dog will protect his "pack," but there is nothing like looking at a dobie with her ears up and staring at you to convince you to try getting in the house next door rather than this one.

To Malaya:

Now I feel even more guilty.

To bwhite1948:

Thank you. We feel that way too. Would you like to come over for an afternoon Margarita and meet the family?

To Griffin:

You are absolutely right, Dobies are sweet dogs and not mean unless abused. However they are very protective and can be easily trained to be outstanding guard dogs. That is actually what our son, Bruno, does for a living, and he is very good at it. He can train his dogs to attack, stand down, and not eat anything that isn't given to them by their owners. He is so good, that he once had the PGR in Mexico City respectfully (NOT) ask that he turn over one of his dogs to them for police work. And yes, you are correct that greyhounds are part of dobies, and I can confirm that a greyhound is one of the gentlest creatures on this planet. They bark and run, but never bite.

Thank you all, for your comments. We are really only trying to help our son make a living. He would rather be training assistance dogs, but it seems there is no market for them here in Mexico. So in order to support his family, he is training and breeding shepards and dobies at his school in Mazatlan. His main risk is being killed by the local narcos, who don't like the fact that his dogs are used by the police and to protect people, so he is trying to sell them outside of his local area.

Best wishes,
Nadine & Henry

[Griffin]

To Griffin:

You are absolutely right, Dobies are sweet dogs and not mean unless abused. However they are very protective and can be easily trained to be outstanding guard dogs. That is actually what our son, Bruno, does for a living, and he is very good at it. He can train his dogs to attack, stand down, and not eat anything that isn't given to them by their owners. He is so good, that he once had the PGR in Mexico City respectfully (NOT) ask that he turn over one of his dogs to them for police work. And yes, you are correct that greyhounds are part of dobies, and I can confirm that a greyhound is one of the gentlest creatures on this planet. They bark and run, but never bite.

Thank you all, for your comments. We are really only trying to help our son make a living. He would rather be training assistance dogs, but it seems there is no market for them here in Mexico. So in order to support his family, he is training and breeding shepards and dobies at his school in Mazatlan. His main risk is being killed by the local narcos, who don't like the fact that his dogs are used by the police and to protect people, so he is trying to sell them outside of his local area.

Best wishes,
Nadine & Henry

Your son could probably make a decent living here training dogs. Like you I have Chihuahuas so they are useless to be trained to do anything except look cute. I do have a Bullmastiff but from what I've read about them only their size intimidates anyone and they are very non-aggressive. I would love to have a Dobie but his price is a little high for me. My favorite price is "free."

He should try to have some classes here. I know I might like to try one with the Bullmastiff.

[nopalesflower]

There is a local protection dog trainer. He is working with my boxer who has dog aggression issues. Gabriel Perez 333 453 9335. He owns an attack trained Malinois and you should see her work! I highly recommend him. Speaks no English.

[Griffin]

I necessito Ingles.

[nopalesflower]

Griffin...I'll help you.